Sting Officially Signs with WWE

[big dog cowboy]

Yes the WWE has some young talent. But they system is such that they are developed pretty much right in front of the fan base. What's missing is the ability to easily bring in guys from other areas that have already established themselves as stars.

Just look at the new talent coming up from NXT in the last few months and they are by no means done. That should tell you a lot about what the brass thinks of their current talent.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Just look at the new talent coming up from NXT in the last few months and they are by no means done. That should tell you a lot about what the brass thinks of their current talent.

They must think they need some help.

 

[windward]

I started this thread that gives a roster rundown of just the NWA Mid Atlantic area for the first part of 1977...

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/mid-atlantic-wrestling-roster-from-early-1977.287279/

Keep in mind that this is just one territory covering 3 states.

Yes the WWE has some young talent. But they system is such that they are developed pretty much right in front of the fan base. What's missing is the ability to easily bring in guys from other areas that have already established themselves as stars.

Triple H is said to be a fan of Flair and the NWA style. Since he's gone into management I don't think it's a coincidence that there has been a higher emphasis on work rate and development of younger talent.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Triple H is said to be a fan of Flair and the NWA style. Since he's gone into management I don't think it's a coincidence that there has been a higher emphasis on work rate and development of younger talent.

And that is definitely a good thing.

Harley Race ended up being #6 in the WWE list of "Top 50" wrestlers of all time, and the feeling was that only occurred due to HHH being a huge fan... So I think there is hope.

I'd love to see less acrobatics in matches (and obvious choreographed moves) and have more matches that are more free-flowing with the wrestlers themselves determining much of the action.

I would think once Vince passes the torch some fundamental changes will occur as far as how talent is developed.

 

[jrumann59]

And that is definitely a good thing.

Harley Race ended up being #6 in the WWE list of "Top 50" wrestlers of all time, and the feeling was that only occurred due to HHH being a huge fan... So I think there is hope.

I'd love to see less acrobatics in matches (and obvious choreographed moves) and have more matches that are more free-flowing with the wrestlers themselves determining much of the action.

I would think once Vince passes the torch some fundamental changes will occur as far as how talent is developed.

WWE has to get rid of the two top champ belts and make one. The WWE Champ and World Heavy Champ is so stupid. They are starting to go back to the Hogan/Macho Days where bulked muscle heads are champs. I loved the Brett Hart and Attitude Era. The better wrestlers in the company are already doing improv matches with less scripting. The bigger athletes are still scripted adn it shows.

 

[windward]

WWE has to get rid of the two top champ belts and make one. The WWE Champ and World Heavy Champ is so stupid. They are starting to go back to the Hogan/Macho Days where bulked muscle heads are champs. I loved the Brett Hart and Attitude Era. The better wrestlers in the company are already doing improv matches with less scripting. The bigger athletes are still scripted adn it shows.

They did that back in December. And the champion is Daniel Bryan , who is the opposite of a bulked up muscle head.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

WWE has to get rid of the two top champ belts and make one. The WWE Champ and World Heavy Champ is so stupid. They are starting to go back to the Hogan/Macho Days where bulked muscle heads are champs. I loved the Brett Hart and Attitude Era. The better wrestlers in the company are already doing improv matches with less scripting. The bigger athletes are still scripted adn it shows.

They did. One guy carries both now as the WWE World Heavyweight Champion. Currently, as windward pointed out, it's Daniel Bryan who won it at Mania and is clearly the most over guy in the company at this point, especially with CM Punk gone.

HHH taking over more is showing some positives in the right direction. That's why you're seeing guys like The Shield and Bray Wyatt and Daniel Bryan getting more and more time and pushed better. I think it's on it's way up. Slowly but it's on it's way up.

 

[big dog cowboy]

HHH taking over more is showing some positives in the right direction. That's why you're seeing guys like The Shield and Bray Wyatt and Daniel Bryan getting more and more time and pushed better. I think it's on it's way up. Slowly but it's on it's way up.

Agreed. If they can keep building on the momentumwe could really have something in a couple of years.

 

[CashMan]

Yeah, he had some schtick in the late 90's where he claimed to come back from the dead and be a ghost or something, total Crow ripoff.

This was his original character:

I am pretty sure, he was recovering from an injury which took like a year. I think the crow thing kinda made sense, he sorta went from the power, big muscular look, to what his crow look was.

 

[jrumann59]

They did. One guy carries both now as the WWE World Heavyweight Champion. Currently, as windward pointed out, it's Daniel Bryan who won it at Mania and is clearly the most over guy in the company at this point, especially with CM Punk gone.

HHH taking over more is showing some positives in the right direction. That's why you're seeing guys like The Shield and Bray Wyatt and Daniel Bryan getting more and more time and pushed better. I think it's on it's way up. Slowly but it's on it's way up.

As long as they have two heavy weight straps there will always be a lesser champ. One person carrying them makes no difference two belts is two belts. The Shield Stick is rip-off of the NWO which was ripoff of the freebirds.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

As long as they have two heavy weight straps there will always be a lesser champ. One person carrying them makes no difference two belts is two belts. The Shield Stick is rip-off of the NWO which was ripoff of the freebirds.

I think the two straps is because they're making a new Unified one, that's just a guess on my part of course, and that's why the two belts. Kind of like when they did that before until they got the belt made for the Undisputed championship.

And really everything in wrestling is pretty much a rip off of something else from before at this point. I mean Ric Flair was a rip off of someone before him. Hulk Hogan ripped off other people from before him. This is nothing new really.

What they've done right with the Shield, like with the Freebirds, they've remained a 3 man unit and haven't exploded into 3/4 of the roster like the nWo did.

 

[CashMan]

I think the two straps is because they're making a new Unified one, that's just a guess on my part of course, and that's why the two belts. Kind of like when they did that before until they got the belt made for the Undisputed championship.

And really everything in wrestling is pretty much a rip off of something else from before at this point. I mean Ric Flair was a rip off of someone before him. Hulk Hogan ripped off other people from before him. This is nothing new really.

What they've done right with the Shield, like with the Freebirds, they've remained a 3 man unit and haven't exploded into 3/4 of the roster like the nWo did.

The WCW belt is by far the best looking.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The WCW belt is by far the best looking.

I completely agree. I wish they'd just go to carrying that one and stick with it. It's always looked like the belt of a champion.

 

[CashMan]

As long as they have two heavy weight straps there will always be a lesser champ. One person carrying them makes no difference two belts is two belts. The Shield Stick is rip-off of the NWO which was ripoff of the freebirds.

The could of played the nWo out wayy better. As soon as they had jobbers and everyone and their mother with the nWo, it sucked. Was there any reason to have Scott Norton, Stevie Ray or Buff Bagwell with them?

 

[CashMan]

I completely agree. I wish they'd just go to carrying that one and stick with it. It's always looked like the belt of a champion.

He kind of ran into a problem, when he bought WCW. No competition and a huge roster. If he broke off and had two companies.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yeah, he had some schtick in the late 90's where he claimed to come back from the dead and be a ghost or something, total Crow ripoff.

This was his original character:

when he switched to his crow look, coming back from the dead was part of it at all. The jist of it is, the now had some guy wearing sting's face paint, attacking Lex Luger before War Games. Sting claimed it wasn't him, and of course, the wcw wrestlers didn't believe him. Everyone turned their back on him until Sting attacked the fake sting at war games, but then proceeded to turn his back on wcw and delivered his "free agent" speech. Then after taking a few months off, he returned in the crow gear, no mention of him dying what so ever.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

More than a few years too late...sheesh.

Is the young talent pool that devoid of interesting characters?

There is a lot of talent in the WWE, but you have them all getting trained by the same people the same way and everybody has to have the same philosophy on wrestling otherwise they are labeled as 'having an ego' and 'not understanding the way things are done.'

I look at CM Punk as one of the best and most interesting characters in the past 10 years. But, he learned this thru years of working all over the world. Understanding how to refine his character and taking things, either in the ring or with the mic, from all of these different wrestlers and promotions and figuring out what works well for him and what doesn't. Wrestling doesn't have that anymore. Everybody is either trained by the WWE or wants to be like the WWE. Japan isn't very profitable anymore so it's not a viable option for most wrestlers to go over there. The same for Europe. Mexico isn't paying out well for American wrestlers and is too dangerous.

The writers end up having too much input in the end. And wrestlers now stick with a lousy character because it has the backing of a writer or two and that allows them to keep a job.

For instance, I take a look at somebody like Dolph Ziggler. He's immensely talented in the ring. He has charisma and has a legit athletic background. Yet, nothing has changed with his gimmick and now he's basically a jobber. Years ago other promotions would have been dying to snatch him up and he would have been dying to leave the WWE so he could get his career back on track. But, there's nowhere else for him to go and he's trying to play the good soldier while he gets buried.





YR

 

[MichaelWinicki]

There is a lot of talent in the WWE, but you have them all getting trained by the same people the same way and everybody has to have the same philosophy on wrestling otherwise they are labeled as 'having an ego' and 'not understanding the way things are done.'

I look at CM Punk as one of the best and most interesting characters in the past 10 years. But, he learned this thru years of working all over the world. Understanding how to refine his character and taking things, either in the ring or with the mic, from all of these different wrestlers and promotions and figuring out what works well for him and what doesn't. Wrestling doesn't have that anymore. Everybody is either trained by the WWE or wants to be like the WWE. Japan isn't very profitable anymore so it's not a viable option for most wrestlers to go over there. The same for Europe. Mexico isn't paying out well for American wrestlers and is too dangerous.

The writers end up having too much input in the end. And wrestlers now stick with a lousy character because it has the backing of a writer or two and that allows them to keep a job.

For instance, I take a look at somebody like Dolph Ziggler. He's immensely talented in the ring. He has charisma and has a legit athletic background. Yet, nothing has changed with his gimmick and now he's basically a jobber. Years ago other promotions would have been dying to snatch him up and he would have been dying to leave the WWE so he could get his career back on track. But, there's nowhere else for him to go and he's trying to play the good soldier while he gets buried.





YR

Great point about everyone being trained by the same source. That's a recipe for boring product.

 

[jrumann59]

Sting will not be in in ring for a while. Rumor is he has man boobs ala Ric Flair. He is going to have hit the gym hard to wrestle without a t-shirt.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Sting will not be in in ring for a while. Rumor is he has man boobs ala Ric Flair. He is going to have hit the gym hard to wrestle without a t-shirt.

LOL!

Geez Louise the guy is in his mid 50's... It's sad that the WWE has to resort to this. And it's a clear sign the young talent isn't to the level the WWE needs in order to facilitate excitement in their product.

I remember thinking that Harley Race was "old" when he was wrestling Ric Flair to retain the NWA World Heavyweight title in the first Starcade in 1983... But Race was "only" 40 at the time.