Stopping the run, 1 goal for any defense!

[xwalker]

A 5-2 would basically be the same as calling a blitz. You're basically down to man coverage and a single- high, or some thinned-out zone look. A couple plays of it wouldn't kill you, but playing it in base would like blitzing every down.

He did not mean literally a 5-2.

When the Cowboys played a 3-4 with DWare and Spencer at OLB, both of those players moved to DE in the 4 man Nickel DL. When those 2 were at OLB with 3 DL it was similar to a 5-2 vs the run.

 

[buybuydandavis]

It's pretty simple.

Getting rid of Marinelli and adding Poe, McCoy, Smith and Gregory will be a major steps to improving the DL play.

We played a lot better with Woods on the field last year. 6-4 with, 2-4 without. And he's playing *behind* Poe, giving us depth at 1T, and much better bulk for short yardage. I see Gallimore as a good fit there too. It's a whole different world at 1T this year.

 

[Hadenough]

People forget that yes Dallas added two big DTs but they both played together for the Panthers and that defense was much worse against the run than Dallas last year. It's gonna be interesting to see how this defense plays with new coaching.

 

[glimmerman]

I think McCoy is on a 3 year and Poe a 2 year?

Sweet.

 

[DuncanIso]

The Cowboys were a top-10 run defense last year.

You can't use a 5-2 other than in goalline or short-yardage situations because teams are primarily in 11 personnel. A 5-2 would get absolutely torched.

agree.

the Pats solved the Rams ground game by using the old Steelers 0 tech with their DTs. Easy fix.

marinelli was stubborn.

I celebrated that dude leaving.

 

[DuncanIso]

People forget that yes Dallas added two big DTs but they both played together for the Panthers and that defense was much worse against the run than Dallas last year. It's gonna be interesting to see how this defense plays with new coaching.

considering Nolan is the DC, it’s not good.

at least we have a good DL coach now. And Edwards.

 

[DuncanIso]

I think we are all crossing our fingers. Here in NY it's gotten better, but hearing reports in the southern states that it's getting worse, including Texas.

I’ve given up on attending training camp this summer. 8(

 

[DuncanIso]

Elite? Jaylon was completely over hyped last year and LVE was a nobody most of last year even before his injury. Not only that but we have no idea how he will be after the injury.

Disagree with the #JaylonHate

LVE is real. But that neck injury does not look good. Injuries like that end NFL careers.

at least we still have SLee.

 

[DuncanIso]

I am pumped for the changes all across the board this year. Hope there is a year.

we have some good coaches.

STs are solid again.

Edwards and Tomsula are solid.

Nolan and Philbin are poison.

 

[DuncanIso]

And it makes our secondary look better. Predictable passing downs and hoping to have pressure up the middle this year forces a quicker pass. Makes a QB nervous early. But we need to watch that screen, been getting killed for years with that. We can’t stop it on Defense and don’t do it enough with our Offense. Except that WR screen which I am not a huge fan.. lol

that screen killed us.

a combo of deep cover 3 and bad DL play.

teams figured that out quick.

 

[DuncanIso]

I see your cunning ploy, make teams play to our weak secondary.

Then again I was surprised at our ranking last year

the passing D was actually very solid.

this year...who knows.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Those are the kind of contracts you want to give in FA, prof

the passing D was actually very solid.

this year...who knows.

I did knows, hence the second sentence

 

[fivetwos]

What can be done about stopping celebrating after making a tackle on a gain of six?

 

[Future]

He does not mean literally a 5-2.

Both of these are pseudo 5-2 alignments.
(These OLBs play DE in passing situations)
4-3 with big 3-4 type OLB at SLB.
3-4 with a focus on big OLBs.

Basically if you put a DWare type at 4-3 SLB.

The point is that it isn't nickel.

If you don't have 5 DBs on the field, you are going to get torched through the air.

 

[xwalker]

The point is that it isn't nickel.

If you don't have 5 DBs on the field, you are going to get torched through the air.

Do 3-4 teams always play Nickel?

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

People forget that yes Dallas added two big DTs but they both played together for the Panthers and that defense was much worse against the run than Dallas last year. It's gonna be interesting to see how this defense plays with new coaching.

People also forget the Panthers deployed a 3-4 last year. Two entirely different schemes. So just because they performed badly in the 3-4 doesn't mean they'll perform badly in our 4-3.

 

[kskboys]

People forget that yes Dallas added two big DTs but they both played together for the Panthers and that defense was much worse against the run than Dallas last year. It's gonna be interesting to see how this defense plays with new coaching.

More to stopping the run then just the DT's. Turn your line of thinking around. It's almost impossible to stop the run w/o first having good DT's. You must also have good DE's who set the edge as well as LB's who fill the gap. Did you evaluate to see if CAR had those things?

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

If you think prioritizing stopping the run is ahead of stopping the pass in today's NFL you'll win no more than 2 games a season.

"The cowboys defense was #11 in the league last season, this was very misleasing" then you don't even explain why it us misleading. You don't struggle the majority of the season then rank 11th.

Most teams don't have a RB that they trust to carry the ball 24 times a game. When we run across the teams with those trustful RB's we get gashed. That's why its misleading. We didn't stop our opponents running game, they did.

If the Giants would have kept handing the ball to Barkley, they could have killed us on the ground. I think he had 13 carries for over a hundred yards in one of our wins against them. So most teams don't stick to the run, which in turn helps us out. Misleading!

 

[kskboys]

People also forget the Panthers deployed a 3-4 last year. Two entirely different schemes. So just because they performed badly in the 3-4 doesn't mean they'll perform badly in our 4-3.

Yup. IMO, McCoy and Poe are simply not 3-4 players.

 

[kskboys]

Most teams don't have a RB that they trust to carry the ball 24 times a game. When we run across the teams with those trustful RB's we get gashed. That's why its misleading. We didn't stop our opponents running game, they did.

If the Giants would have kept handing the ball to Barkley, they could have killed us on the ground. I think he had 13 carries for over a hundred yards in one of our wins against them. So most teams don't stick to the run, which in turn helps us out. Misleading!

Yeah, it's very strange, but it's become the thing to do to give up on the running game. SF might(prolly?) would have won the super bowl last year if they'd kept running the ball. ATL would have certainly beaten NE in the super bowl if they'd have run the ball w/ a big lead.

Why are so many teams doing this?