Strong Safety?

[Duane]

Where would that be?

Davis is good on special teams but we're wasting talent using him there exclusively. FS isn't his cup of tea either..........so far. I do think he'd be great at blitzing and run stopage. Not a lot of cranium process involved.

Roy would stay at SS...I agree that Davis isn't suited for FS - too many mental mistakes but I'm not so sure that he'd be great at SS either. Right now he's a great special teams player and a below average FS/SS. I see nothing wrong with having him play special teams with limited defensive snaps, like Copper does.

 

[neosapien23]

I keep hearing that Roy is a liability in coverage and I just don't see it. It is not his strength, that is certain. When I think of a liability, I think of the weakest link and I think of a guy that is constantly getting beat. Roy is probably average at coverage for his position. Maybe even slightly better than average. The weak part of the secondary is Keith Davis, so if Roy is a liability, why replace him with a guy who is worse in coverage and can't do the other things that Roy can do. Beriault is still a big question mark whom I am hoping develops into something, but it is hard to count on an unknown.

Dude are we watching the same guy. Roy has been burned repeatedly by TEs. SSs are suppose to be covering Wrs as well. Roy is a liability in coverage period. Big passing plays seem to be completed on his side of the field. If I was Parcells I would trade him to a team with a high pick and get a quarterback. I would also trade him to Baltimore straight up for Terrell Suggs who got 10 sacks in his rookie year. Davis is a SS and yet no one makes exuses for his blown coverages. With my number 1 pick I'd get Huff to offset the loss. Suggs and Ware would legitimize our 3-4.

 

[aikemirv]

It was a comparison. I could have compared him to Ed Reed who was taken at the 24th spot that year or to a guy like Freeney who was taken 3 picks after him I guess, but they do not play the same position.

If you are not going to use RW like Polamalu why do you have him?

You are wasting him - thus my point. If you can get a high pick for him and use it on a position that we would use in the right way then that would strengthen the team IMO. That is what I was saying, like I said I like RW but if you look at where Polamalu was taken (16th) and where Reed was taken(24th) then we are not getting value for him that the 8 pick would deserve IMO if he is even with them in impact are we.

He has been a hit and by no means a bust but look what we did with the Hershel Walker trade to better our team.

 

[superpunk]

Holy headaches Mick, I'm right there with you.

Let's just get rid of the hardest hitting, playmaking safety in the league, because we have an infatuation with other team's players.

It's amazing how many Dallas fans get down on Roy because of baseless generalizations made about him. He's a liability in coverage. BS!!!! He's not the best, but he can be counted on to make the play most of the time.

 

[neosapien23]

It was a comparison. I could have compared him to Ed Reed who was taken at the 24th spot that year or to a guy like Freeney who was taken 3 picks after him I guess, but they do not play the same position.

If you are not going to use RW like Polamalu why do you have him?

You are wasting him - thus my point. If you can get a high pick for him and use it on a position that we would use in the right way then that would strengthen the team IMO. That is what I was saying, like I said I like RW but if you look at where Polamalu was taken (16th) and where Reed was taken(24th) then we are not getting value for him that the 8 pick would deserve IMO if he is even with them in impact are we.

He has been a hit and by no means a bust but look what we did with the Hershel Walker trade to better our team.

I agree with you. If someone will give an extremely high pick I'd be all for it. It would have to be a top 4 pick though. Roy Williams has been to alot of probowls.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Now there's a novel approach................

I say we let Roy eat that extra biscuit that'll make him a LB and move Keith Davis to SS.

HA! In the 3-4? Where do you envision him playing? I mean he MIGHT be able to put on the 20lbs to play LB, but is that where you want him? Taking on guards. He's better when he free lances. OLB is out of the question for sure

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If you are not going to use RW like Polamalu why do you have him?

Alas....

We get to the real true question/problem here.

You know what my stance is on the DC in Dallas is.

To his credit, the guy was learning a totally new defensive scheme.

Funny, the stats I just showed everyone has both of those guys at a dead heat, with Roy getting the edge on some of them, but most will admit Roy Williams' prescence on the field is not being used enough.

Can you imagine the day when Roy Williams starts being used like a Chess piece, being moved hither and thether, forcing Coordinators, would-be blockers, and Offensive Coordinators to account for where he is on the field like I say the Steelers doing with Polamalu?

The same goes for Mr. Demarcus Ware as well and you know what, our receivers because we rarely used motion this year with the receiving core, but that is another subject.

- Mike G.

 

[demdcowboys#1]

ignorant question,
non-responsive

--no response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[aikemirv]

Alas....

We get to the real true question/problem here.

You know what my stance is on the DC in Dallas is.

To his credit, the guy was learning a totally new defensive scheme.

Funny, the stats I just showed everyone has both of those guys at a dead heat, with Roy getting the edge on some of them, but most will admit Roy Williams' prescence on the field is not being used enough.

Can you imagine the day when Roy Williams starts being used like a Chess piece, being moved hither and thether, forcing Coordinators, would-be blockers, and Offensive Coordinators to account for where he is on the field like I say the Steelers doing with Polamalu?

The same goes for Mr. Demarcus Ware as well and you know what, our receivers because we rarely used motion this year with the receiving core, but that is another subject.

- Mike G.

I agree with that, no doubt. I think RW could definitely do that and be that force, but we are not doing that and thus my question, which was not meant to be a stupid question but one for discussion on how you improve the team.

Hey, if Greg Williams can do what he does with the Commanders players then I think our coaching, with our players is downright disgraceful!

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I don't know how many Pitt games you have been watching lately but....

Polamaula has been everywhere, and I mean everywhere - supporting the run, blitzing, covering too. To say RW is playing better than him is laughable.

If RW is only good at the line of scrimmage he might as well be a LB - but he is not big enough for that. He is one of our better players and he does make a lot of plays but, a lot of times he is out of position and thus you see a lot of tackles from behind and the creation of the RW rule.

I see tons of Tackles from him like this, is he making plays that no one else would make by doing this or is he out of position and has to recover?

You do realize that no safety in the last 10 years has made as many "plays" as Williams did this year don't you?

It's funny how people get these thoughts into their heads then it just snowballs. Williams had his best season, yet his failure to make "jacked up" and the ilk every week gets him questioned.

 

[conner01]

the best way to get better is to add talent. not subract it.

 

[Vertigo_17]

maybe roy should grow his hair long - then he might get the attention he deserves...

:laugh2:

 

[koolaid]

it would take more than a first rounder for me to give up roy, he sets the tone, our biggest defensive playmaker

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I agree with that, no doubt. I think RW could definitely do that and be that force, but we are not doing that and thus my question, which was not meant to be a stupid question but one for discussion on how you improve the team.

Hey, if Greg Williams can do what he does with the Commanders players then I think our coaching, with our players is downright disgraceful!

Yeah, Mr. Greg Williams had....

Matt Bowen looking like a crazed, kamakaze, mad man blitzer in 04 and he has made Omar Stoutmire, a 3rd Stringer look pretty good too as he made some nice plays in both rounds of the playoffs.

No question you bring Greg Williams in here, WE...the Dallas Cowboys start setting the tempo on defense and be aggressive no matter what.

I would really like so see what Greg Williams' record is and how he does when he has a lead.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

it would take more than a first rounder for me to give up roy, he sets the tone, our biggest defensive playmaker

Yep, a couple of picks and mabye some Cheerleaders too....

- Mike G.

 

[joseephuss]

Dude are we watching the same guy. Roy has been burned repeatedly by TEs. SSs are suppose to be covering Wrs as well. Roy is a liability in coverage period. Big passing plays seem to be completed on his side of the field. If I was Parcells I would trade him to a team with a high pick and get a quarterback. I would also trade him to Baltimore straight up for Terrell Suggs who got 10 sacks in his rookie year. Davis is a SS and yet no one makes exuses for his blown coverages. With my number 1 pick I'd get Huff to offset the loss. Suggs and Ware would legitimize our 3-4.

I have been watching the games. The big plays you say that are happening are in fact not happening repeatedly. He give up some big plays because all safeties give up big plays at times, but is not repeatedly I have seen Troy Polamalu play about 6 games this season. I have seen him get burned in those games. It happens. Davis gave up more big plays than Roy. Maybe it should be an excuse that he is truly a SS, but it is obvious he is not as good as Roy.

Why would Baltimore trade Suggs straight up for Roy? Especially if he is such a liability as you suggest. Suggs got 12 sacks his rookie season by the way and had 8 this season. Good player and would do well in Dallas, but I don't think the Ravens would let him go.

 

[Ashwynn]

Roy kicks ***. He's not a coverage safety, so the sooner people get that out of their head, the better. He's not as big a liability as people make him seem either. Roy is one of the most dominant forces in the league, when used correctly. If you can get him near the LOS, he makes things happen. Fumbles, tackles for loss, sacks, that is what Roy does.

As for your comparison to Polamalu. ee: I pee on it. Roy is better than Polamalu, he just doesn't have interesting hair. Or any hair, for that matter.

Lets keep it in the realm of reality here. Roys a damn good SS, but Polamalu's a damn good defensive back. Better coverage skills by far and maybe as good as Roy against the run. Hes not known for the hits Roy delivers, but hes a better overall Defensive back the Roy.

That said.....Hell no I would not trade Roy for anything. A few special players earn the 'untouchable' label for various reasons, on the field exploits, fan favorite status. Roys is UNTOUCHABLE' (in capitals for emphasis) Hes the face of the boys.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I have been watching the games. The big plays you say that are happening are in fact not happening repeatedly. He give up some big plays because all safeties give up big plays at times, but is not repeatedly

True

But in defense of Roy Williams and the players as a whole...for the 1st Skins game for example....

It wasnt their fault that their DC or HC called a Zone play where even if everyone on defense had done their job, the Safety would be matched one-on-one with Santana Moss if the Commanders Quarterback gets time and Moss runs a deep route, which both happened.

- Mike G.

 

[chinch]

If you could trade Roy Williams for a mid 1st round pick would you do it?

Yes, without a doubt.

He doesn't optimally fit our 3-4 defense unless we get better up front and FS. We have more glaring needs than "Stud SS". Now, if he could cover someone and was an excellent cover Safety i'd hesitate but his SS role is close is too closely shadowed by our 3-4 linebackers.

 

[BigDFan5]

True

But in defense of Roy Williams and the players as a whole...for the 1st Skins game for example....

It wasnt their fault that their DC or HC called a Zone play where even if everyone on defense had done their job, the Safety would be matched one-on-one with Santana Moss if the Commanders Quarterback gets time and Moss runs a deep route, which both happened.

- Mike G.

In the first Skins game the responsibility was Glenns not Roys