Strong Safety?

[31smackdown]

To answer the original question... No, I wouldn't trade him.

I'm also in agreement with the "Roy is not used to his best advantage.. ala Polamalu" ...

When I see Polamalu making plays, he is blitzing and when he is making plays in coverage, they are underneath... almost like he is playing LB with help over the top. When is the last time that you saw RW playing a shallow zone?.. oh wait.. maybe it was the Eagles game when he picked McNabb. It's always cover 2, cover 3, deeper than the deepest. When I see Polamalu in these positions, he too is usually trailing the receiver or getting over late to help out. You have to put these players in position to be a little aggressive and take risks. You can't say.. oh, btw, if you don't make the play, he scores.. so just secure the tackle.

Roy.. since we have no real FS.. is used as the last line of defense, which I'm sure in BP and Zim's mind's is the best thing for the team's success... but it's really the conservative approach.

 

[dargonking999]

What would be the point in trading a proven hitter and SS, for an untested boom or bust player(thats what all draft picks are).

Roy> Palamaula.

lets not forget you know Palamaula , has a great Defensive scheme a great DL, DB, LB. I mean its hard not to make plays in that defensive. Our defense is young and improving.

I'll keep RW thank you very much.

 

[joseephuss]

To answer the original question... No, I wouldn't trade him.

I'm also in agreement with the "Roy is not used to his best advantage.. ala Polamalu" ...

When I see Polamalu making plays, he is blitzing and when he is making plays in coverage, they are underneath... almost like he is playing LB with help over the top. When is the last time that you saw RW playing a shallow zone?.. oh wait.. maybe it was the Eagles game when he picked McNabb. It's always cover 2, cover 3, deeper than the deepest. When I see Polamalu in these positions, he too is usually trailing the receiver or getting over late to help out. You have to put these players in position to be a little aggressive and take risks. You can't say.. oh, btw, if you don't make the play, he scores.. so just secure the tackle.

Roy.. since we have no real FS.. is used as the last line of defense, which I'm sure in BP and Zim's mind's is the best thing for the team's success... but it's really the conservative approach.

It isn't that bad of an approach or at least not as bad as people seem to think. Most of the losses this season were due to the offense no scoring enough points. You can't win games when the offense only scores 13 points. Scoring has been a problem in Dallas for years. I do expect to see more aggression next season on defense as most of the returning players will be more familiar with the schemes.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

In the first Skins game the responsibility was Glenns not Roys

If you indeed have a copy, take a look, we were in a zone defense and eventually Glenn was to pass him off to Roy Williams, which he did.

We were not in Man Coverage on those 2 long bombs, we were in Zone coverage and Glenn responsibility was about a half up and the sidelines.

That is why some many people were so PO'ed Glenn didnt get a good bump on him before he passed him off to the next level.

Your paying Terence Newman and Anthony Henry major bucks and not only do you go Zone Coverage instead of Man Coverage, but you leave Moss in Zone Coverage with Glenn to hand him off to your Strong Safety.

Advantage Commanders everytime

Amazing....

- Mike G.

 

[chinch]

Thats the other thing about it. There are eleven guys on defense and you would like to be able to play with 7 in the box and 4 in coverage ideally, so if one of those 4 is weak in coverage, it is a weakness to the team.

If I want a guy who is strong close to the line of scrimmage then I look for a LB, not necessarily a safety. They are important for run support by all means and they should be good at it no doubt, but a safeties primary responsibility is coverage - is it not??

Yes indeed.

 

[superpunk]

If you indeed have a copy, take a look, we were in a zone defense and eventually Glenn was to pass him off to Roy Williams, which he did.

We were not in Man Coverage on those 2 long bombs, we were in Zone coverage and Glenn responsibility was about a half up and the sidelines.

That is why some many people were so PO'ed Glenn didnt get a good bump on him before he passed him off to the next level.

Your paying Terence Newman and Anthony Henry major bucks and not only do you go Zone Coverage instead of Man Coverage, but you leave Moss in Zone Coverage with Glenn to hand him off to your Strong Safety.

Advantage Commanders everytime

Amazing....

- Mike G.

Cover 4, not Glenn's responsibility to pass him off. It's only been explained a billion times on here, even with photographic breakdown.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Cover 4, not Glenn's responsibility to pass him off. It's only been explained a billion times on here, even with photographic breakdown.

Once I finish my workout and get home and re-review the game film, this discussion will definately have to continue.

I do remember on at least one of the touchdowns Glenn was in tight coverage but failed to get a "crack" on Moss at the line of scrimmage which allowed him to get a clean release off the LOS and was going full speed at your Safeties.

Most of the time when you are playing Zone coverage and a offender is in your Zone, you want to either get a "bump" or a "crack" on him (if this is in the NFL, it has to be within 5 yards of the LOS) before he leaves your Zone or if the NFL rules dont allow you to do so, you at least try to force him to adjust his route without interference so you can slow his momentum before he enters into another one of your teammate's Zone.

At least that is how I was taught and what I have generally seen.

- Mike G.

 

[Hiero]

Just a question for some of you guys? and I hope I don't get blasted too much:laugh2:

If you could trade Roy Williams for a mid 1st round pick would you do it?

I have been thinking about this for a while now and since Keith Davis is better suited for SS and Justin Berialt is better suited for strong safety would you be better off trading RW for a 1st round pick and investing that into an impact FS or a top LB or T.

I do like RW, but I am of the opinion that he was not worth the pick that we took him with. He should be playing to the level of Troy Palamaula and he is not.

Would a move like that strengthen or weaken our team if we hit on the pick?

I would love to blast you but they'd censor it.
Keith Davis belongs in hte ******* trash bin. he's a piece of steaming feces. This whole trade idea is ridiculous.

 

[BigDFan5]

If you indeed have a copy, take a look, we were in a zone defense and eventually Glenn was to pass him off to Roy Williams, which he did.

We were not in Man Coverage on those 2 long bombs, we were in Zone coverage and Glenn responsibility was about a half up and the sidelines.

That is why some many people were so PO'ed Glenn didnt get a good bump on him before he passed him off to the next level.

Your paying Terence Newman and Anthony Henry major bucks and not only do you go Zone Coverage instead of Man Coverage, but you leave Moss in Zone Coverage with Glenn to hand him off to your Strong Safety.

Advantage Commanders everytime

Amazing....

- Mike G.

Talk to Adam Mick he has talked about this numerous times

 

[Chuck 54]

Just a question for some of you guys? and I hope I don't get blasted too much:laugh2:

If you could trade Roy Williams for a mid 1st round pick would you do it?

I have been thinking about this for a while now and since Keith Davis is better suited for SS and Justin Berialt is better suited for strong safety would you be better off trading RW for a 1st round pick and investing that into an impact FS or a top LB or T.

I do like RW, but I am of the opinion that he was not worth the pick that we took him with. He should be playing to the level of Troy Palamaula and he is not.

Would a move like that strengthen or weaken our team if we hit on the pick?

I would trade Roy Williams for 1 of the top 3 selections only. I'd let Roy go because Davis and Beriault can both play SS (no, not as well as he does) and then I'd trade down till I had a 1, 2 2's and 3 3's....I'd pick up a couple of OL, a LB, a FS, a QB, and a K on day 1....to me, that would be worth giving up Roy, but it would never happen because no one in the NFL would give up one of the top 3 picks for him.

 

[neosapien23]

I have been watching the games. The big plays you say that are happening are in fact not happening repeatedly. He give up some big plays because all safeties give up big plays at times, but is not repeatedly I have seen Troy Polamalu play about 6 games this season. I have seen him get burned in those games. It happens. Davis gave up more big plays than Roy. Maybe it should be an excuse that he is truly a SS, but it is obvious he is not as good as Roy.

Why would Baltimore trade Suggs straight up for Roy? Especially if he is such a liability as you suggest. Suggs got 12 sacks his rookie season by the way and had 8 this season. Good player and would do well in Dallas, but I don't think the Ravens would let him go.

Sorry meant to quote the guy that said Roy Williams was better than Troy Polamalu. I think Williams is not fast enough to play coverage. 235 lbs is alot of weight to carry when you have to run with WRs. I remeber Baltimore wanted Roy Williams during the draft. I don't know if they would take the trade, but that is the only person I would trade Roy Williams straight up for. I think I great OLB like Suggs can mask a average SS but an elite SS cannot mask an average OLB in the 3-4. I think Baltimore could use William alot better than Dallas is currently doing. Suggs for William is a fair trade for both teams.

 

[Jay9508]

Just a question for some of you guys? and I hope I don't get blasted too much:laugh2:

If you could trade Roy Williams for a mid 1st round pick would you do it?

I have been thinking about this for a while now and since Keith Davis is better suited for SS and Justin Berialt is better suited for strong safety would you be better off trading RW for a 1st round pick and investing that into an impact FS or a top LB or T.

I do like RW, but I am of the opinion that he was not worth the pick that we took him with. He should be playing to the level of Troy Palamaula and he is not.

Would a move like that strengthen or weaken our team if we hit on the pick?

i wouldnt trade roy, he's a force

 

[big dog cowboy]

If you could trade Roy Williams for a mid 1st round pick would you do it?

Nope.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

this is the stupidest thread known to man

how the hell are people gonna come on here and say that they want to trade a playmaking, Pro Bowl S, after all, we're trying to build a dominating D, for a draft pick, that has a 50/50 chance of being a turd in the NFL? frickin' unbelievable, that's basically creating another hole, when we only have 1 left to fill in the D-backfield

sorry Jack, I'll hedge my bets and take the 100% playmaker, and give him some help at FS

 

[Bob Sacamano]

but Polamalu's a damn good defensive back. Better coverage skills by far

shouldn't Polamalu have had more pass breakups and INts then?

 

[TEK2000]

shouldn't Polamalu have had more pass breakups and INts then?

How dare you bring logic into a discussion concering Roy Williams!!!