Sturm: Decoding Linehan - Carolina

Oh_Canada

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LOL he was a history major and got a degree in history.
His dad was the coach at both schools, it is not like he went on a academic scholarship and majored in economic or BA etc.

Good point, guess it's the perception. He sure doesn't come across as dumb, but there is certainly a distinction between academic intelligence and football intelligence. I'm starting to wonder if he just lacks the latter.
 

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ist game back he took a beating, and 1 hard hit right in the back.
I think he wasnt able tp sleep much due to pain in the back, so had not sleep or rest sun night thru wed night.
That was his first game back and he took way too many hits. then with short week, he should not have played.
Same thing happened last year, he should not have played last year either.

So they make same mistake again with same or worse results.

You cannot go back to Cassel after winning with Romo because he is sore. If anything they should have sat him against the Dolphins and started him on Thanksgiving, hindsight though man.
 

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It is not surprising to me that we run a simplistic offensive scheme. You don't have to run a complex offensive scheme to win in the NFL. You can, but you don't have to. The simpler, the easier to transition and teach to other players. There are advantage to this approach. You can be very successful with it, if you have the right personnel and if you run the right script and if you can execute. We proved that last year. Seattle proved you can win with that approach as well. I don't have a problem with this, per say.

The issue I have is that we are not running the same type of Offense we did last year. I believe that Linehan has gone away from that a little bit and it has not proven to be successful for us. Now, you can say that there are circumstances and that would be true. We have played much of the year without some key people on Offense and that's a hard thing but it should not be impossible. It should not mean O for.

You look at this game and you start drawing conclusion on how we lost and why we have been unsuccessful this year. All of this is natural and it should be done but in this game, for this particular loss, I think maybe we are to involved in trying to weave things together to make a complete picture and not necessarily looking at what is right in front of us.

Before the game with Carolina ever started, I had a talk with my Son and he asked me what I thought would happen. I told him that I thought we would lose to Carolina and that we should be more concerned with losing Tony for the Season. Carolina is a good team and the reason we lost is because they are simply better then we are right now. Tony did not look sharp against Miami IMO. That's understandable, he was gone for awhile. He didn't look great against Carolina either. He had moments because he's a great player but he was not sharp. On the play he was injured on, he had time. He just didn't avoid the hit. The OL is not playing their best football but that sack was not because the OL failed. Tony had time to get rid of the ball. He tried to make something happen and now he's done for the season. If you want to talk about should Tony been out there to begin with, that's fine and I think that's a question worth asking but at the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. If we were going to have a chance to make the playoffs, you needed to win games and that was only going to happen if you had Tony out there. I never thought that we could make the playoffs, even if Tony was out there because I didn't think Tony could win out but hey, that was really the only shot you had so I understand it.

If Tony were healthy the entire season and if we were playing the kind of football, offensively, we were playing last year, we could have had a good chance of beating Carolina but not a sure thing. Carolina is a good football team. This year, we were never going to beat them and that's the simple truth of it IMO.
 

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I watched a ton of football yesterday on the Sunday Ticket, we might have the least innovative staff in football. Additionally, the days of "our guy will beat your guy" as a predominant means to victory is outdated. 3 yards and a cloud of dust is over, Jason Garrett. With all of the analytics available, such as win probablity if you do such and such and things, the days of being conservative and risk averse are dead. I initially was a Garrett supporter, but the more I watch other teams and read items like this, the more it looks like he is completely in over his head.

You and I both, as if you couldn't tell by my bottom signature.

I still can't get over what Ray Lewis said when he played against us. He basically called our offense vanilla. He said they knew what we were going to do and could call our our plays on defense.

That is VERY TELLING!!!

And other opposing players have said the same thing. How this can continue year after year is simply inexcusable.

I think this team is headed in the right direction as far as talent acquisition. Scheme? It seems like we're still running a 70s offense.

The same thing about it is Jason Garrett is probably here to stay for the foreseeable future (unless we go 0-16 next year). Jerry has found his Landry, the coach he plans to allow to grow with the team. So we may be into Garrett's 15th season with the team before he learns enough about the NFL game to employ a sophisticated offensive and defense scheme. :(
 

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I don't understand. I would think good and insightful reporting would be something sought after. I remember when Albert Breer covered the team for a year and I felt like I learned something Xs and Os wise every time I read his articles. Using his knowledge of the game, he called it like he saw it. And look where that has landed him.[/quote]

Serious question: Where has it landed him?
 

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This is the killer, 3 guys, frederick, McF and lael all blocking this guy then they just lose him,
or you could say he beat a 3 man block lol and sacks tony, ending his season again.
lael decides to help tyron which was the worst, and frederick left to go right and help martin
who had no one to block and was just running around lol.
also tyron was getting beat by his 1 guy !
Free was the only one who did his job good on this play !

This makes our line look like the 5 stooges, who cant stop a 3 man rush !!!!!!
this is pathetic.

I know guys may not like this, but the reason Romo is out is because of Lael Collins.

Why does he leave the defensive lineman for McFadden to block?
Why is he trying to help Tyron Smith who not only is handling his own man but, from my understanding, you never leave an inside blocker to take an outside blocker?
Romo was awful and should have thrown the ball away, but from my trained and untrained eyes, Collins is the reason the season has ended for Romo.
 

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Amazing how Romo has a horrible game and he is no longer a savior---all in the space of less than a week. How exactly does that kind of flip flop work?

Not that you're talking about me, but I've said after the second full year Romo was a starter that the Cowboys place too much on his shoulders. He is a very, very good quarterback. But he CANNOT shoulder the load by himself. Few quarterbacks not named Elway, Brady and Marino can. He doesn't have the body for that or the DNA. He has a reckless DNA which can be beneficial in spots but not over the long haul.

We continue to make this a Romo-friendly offense, and the mentality of this team is a Romo-Will-Save-Us team. Is it any wonder he is lies motionless on the turf looking up at the sky as we look up from the cellar of the NFC East?

<cue Einstein's definition of insanity>
 

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I know guys may not like this, but the reason Romo is out is because of Lael Collins.

Why does he leave the defensive lineman for McFadden to block?
Why is he trying to help Tyron Smith who not only is handling his own man but, from my understanding, you never leave an inside blocker to take an outside blocker?
Romo was awful and should have thrown the ball away, but from my trained and untrained eyes, Collins is the reason the season has ended for Romo.

Actually, I think Collins makes the right read here. Fredbeard has the guy right in front of him and help from DMac. He should look to the outside to make sure that Tyron doesn't need help or make sure that a delayed blitz is not coming from the secondary. Why Fredbeard doesn't stay engaged, I have no idea. DMac doesn't do a great job of sliding his feet to stay in front of the rusher but he's really only supposed to help, not be the primary blocker there. I think they are just confused on how to play that. In another few games, I don't think we see that mistake. This is part of getting Collins playing time with the starting unit. JMO
 

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Actually, I think Collins makes the right read here. Fredbeard has the guy right in front of him and help from DMac. He should look to the outside to make sure that Tyron doesn't need help or make sure that a delayed blitz is not coming from the secondary. Why Fredbeard doesn't stay engaged, I have no idea. DMac doesn't do a great job of sliding his feet to stay in front of the rusher but he's really only supposed to help, not be the primary blocker there. I think they are just confused on how to play that. In another few games, I don't think we see that mistake. This is part of getting Collins playing time with the starting unit. JMO

I understand what you're saying, but Tyron's man is already down field. Collins basically leaves McFadden on a larger defender. What makes Collins think of the two, the defender isn't going to come to McFadden's side instead of Frederick's seeing how McFadden is the lighter player?

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem to me he made the right choice. If anything, Romo steps up in the pocket and buys a little bit more time to get the pass off.

That was just a strange blocking sequence that unfortunately lands are quarterback back on IR.
 

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Not that you're talking about me, but I've said after the second full year Romo was a starter that the Cowboys place too much on his shoulders. He is a very, very good quarterback. But he CANNOT shoulder the load by himself. Few quarterbacks not named Elway, Brady and Marino can. He doesn't have the body for that or the DNA. He has a reckless DNA which can be beneficial in spots but not over the long haul.

We continue to make this a Romo-friendly offense, and the mentality of this team is a Romo-Will-Save-Us team. Is it any wonder he is lies motionless on the turf looking up at the sky as we look up from the cellar of the NFC East?

<cue Einstein's definition of insanity>

Those QBs couldn't do it by themselves either... Elway won when he got Terrell Davis and the zone-blocking of Shanny... Marino never won and Brady gets the ball out at a record 2.08 seconds, meaning short routes while running picks and rubs all day. They also keep Brady in shot-gun and they innovate a lot, despite their cheating. When they had Gronk and Hernandez, these guys were running all sorts of 2 TE passing combos.. Now they've adjusted with Edelman and Gronk, the latter often running rubs to get Gronk open.
 

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I know guys may not like this, but the reason Romo is out is because of Lael Collins.

Why does he leave the defensive lineman for McFadden to block?
Why is he trying to help Tyron Smith who not only is handling his own man but, from my understanding, you never leave an inside blocker to take an outside blocker?
Romo was awful and should have thrown the ball away, but from my trained and untrained eyes, Collins is the reason the season has ended for Romo.

well I think they all thought the other guy or guys would keep blocking him, watching this is like watching a 3 stooges show.
little did they know this guy was going to hurt romo if they dont hold their blocks on him.
To me this is just poor coaching, the dallas linemen are awful when they dont have a guy in front to block.
They tend to then do nothing or jump over to help another lineman and then someone comes free where they were.

I dont know who the def guy is but he made fools of those 3 cowboys, he hustled and got in to sack tony.
our qb's have guys come in fast and free on them way too much.
For years tonys spin move kept him from hits, but now he cant do that as well as he used to.

Now cassel will have to deal with this same flaw in dallas blocking.
 

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I understand what you're saying, but Tyron's man is already down field. Collins basically leaves McFadden on a larger defender. What makes Collins think of the two, the defender isn't going to come to McFadden's side instead of Frederick's seeing how McFadden is the lighter player?

Again, maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem to me he made the right choice. If anything, Romo steps up in the pocket and buys a little bit more time to get the pass off.

That was just a strange blocking sequence that unfortunately lands are quarterback back on IR.

He is but I don't think Collins can know that Tyron and his man are as far upfield as they are and the other thing there is that when Tryon gets beaten, it's usually because the DE or outside rusher takes him outside and then moves back inside quickly. That is probably the most effective move against Tyron. If you are Collins, you are basically checking to make sure that this doesn't happen and you want to make sure that another rusher isn't coming on a delay. You know that they only brought three initially so it would make sense to just check. I don't think Collins thought he was leaving his man to DMac. I think he thought he was leaving him to Fredbeard but that didn't happen. Ideally, you would have wanted Guard and Center doubling up on the inside pressure with DMac there to pick up the delayed blitzer or help on the switchback from the outside guy on Tyron. Unfortunately, DMac engaged up the middle so quickly that it kinda confused things but you are right, it's hard to really know who had what responsibility or what the blocking scheme called for exactly.
 

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well I think they all thought the other guy or guys would keep blocking him, watching this is like watching a 3 stooges show.
little did they know this guy was going to hurt romo if they dont hold their blocks on him.
To me this is just poor coaching, the dallas linemen are awful when they dont have a guy in front to block.
They tend to then do nothing or jump over to help another lineman and then someone comes free where they were.

I dont know who the def guy is but he made fools of those 3 cowboys, he hustled and got in to sack tony.
our qb's have guys come in fast and free on them way too much.
For years tonys spin move kept him from hits, but now he cant do that as well as he used to.

Now cassel will have to deal with this same flaw in dallas blocking.

The DL is smart because if you watch him, he attacks DMac. He slants so that Collins can't get a good block on him but he doesn't slant far enough that Fredbeard can lock him up. He actually changes directions in order to keep DMac on him, square up. When Collins slides to help, he looks like he's double up and fine and so Collins slides back outside but I don't know if Fredbeard thought that DMac was Collins or what because he comes off as well and goes to try and help outside, which basically left DMac one on one with the DL. Once he beats DMac, DMac releases and he is open but, Tony is already stepping up into the pressure. Tony can actually break contain right up the middle here and probably make good yards but that's not what he's thinking. He is looking upfield, I suspect, for somebody to clear. He had time to unload that ball and he actually could have probably flipped it short as well but I think he's trying to make a play there. It just didn't work out.
 

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Those QBs couldn't do it by themselves either... Elway won when he got Terrell Davis and the zone-blocking of Shanny... Marino never won and Brady gets the ball out at a record 2.08 seconds, meaning short routes while running picks and rubs all day. They also keep Brady in shot-gun and they innovate a lot, despite their cheating. When they had Gronk and Hernandez, these guys were running all sorts of 2 TE passing combos.. Now they've adjusted with Edelman and Gronk, the latter often running rubs to get Gronk open.

Truth be told, no quarterback can do it by himself. However, some have the ability to get to the big game with a less-than-stellar cast.

Elway got to three Super Bowls without Terrell Davis.
Marino got to a Super Bowl without a running game and less-than-Hall of Fame receivers.
Tom Brady has won four Super Bowls and appeared in six with different receivers and running backs.

Romo isn't on their level, although that's not necessarily a bad thing.
 

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Truth be told, no quarterback can do it by himself. However, some have the ability to get to the big game with a less-than-stellar cast.

Elway got to three Super Bowls without Terrell Davis.
Marino got to a Super Bowl without a running game and less-than-Hall of Fame receivers.
Tom Brady has won four Super Bowls and appeared in six with different receivers and running backs.

Romo isn't on their level, although that's not necessarily a bad thing.

And none of them were working in the offense of Jason Garrett... :)
 
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