Sturm: Marinelli Report - Eagles

[SultanOfSix]

Garrett's pathetic offense without Romo will make any defense worse than it is - whether it is bad on its own or not - even the 2000 Ravens' defense.

 

[31smackdown]

The defense is playing too tentative right now. Philly also used the bye to throw in a few new wrinkles. Dallas has hung their hat on man coverage and it's coming back to hurt them late in games as the players wear down. It's pretty bad all over though on the DLine. Not setting the edge, letting blockers get to the second level, not getting any penetration. As soon as Lee went out they should have changed the scheme to stop trying to man up Murray - Gachcar was playing no mans land half the time. McClain is not blowing things up like he was last year, looks tired and gets washed out. They moved to this two LB defense and I think they just can't keep up for 4 quarters, even though they are getting plenty of rest. It's hard in the NFL to drive 80+ yards and convert multiple 11+ yard to gain first downs, yet Dallas seems to somehow give them up quite easily.

 

[Floatyworm]

The answer why we are not creating turnovers is so simple. We had 31 turnovers last year on defense. Let's look who had them......

Bruce Carter 5 INts
Orlando Scandrick 2 ints 2 FF
Justin Durant 1 int 1 FR 2 FF
Sterling Moore 2 FR 1 FF
George Selvie 1 FR 1 FF
Dwayne Harris 1 FR
Anthony Spencer 1 FR 2 FF
C.J. Spillman 1 FR 1 FF
Henry Melton 2 FR
Keith Smith 1 FF
Terrell McClain 1 FF

FF=Forced fumble
FR=Fumbles recovered
INT=interception

17 of the 31 turnovers are from guys that are no longer here......

We are on pace for 8 this season.....Do the math

The guys that were creating all those turnovers are no longer part of the organization....

Now look @ this year......

Sean Lee 1 INT
J.J. Wilcox 1 INT
Greg Hardy 1 INT 1 FF
Nick Hayden 1 FR

And that's it...........4 turnovers

 

[craig71]

I think there is more going on than what this article brings to light. Example, back when Zimmer was here they had a statistically good defense while the offense was incompetent at best. I cannot recall the exact year (Campo era?) or rankings but that years team could not muster any offensive threat at all but yet the defense didn't seem as porous as the 2015 version.

Craig

 

[DandyDon1722]

I think this is most telling:

Virtually nothing in between the hashmarks. Not that I think the Cowboys defend in between the hashmarks that well, but it's apparent that the book on the defense is to throw to the outside, right near the numbers.

I know that offenses around the league don't throw down the middle that much, but this is ridiculous.

I think it's a lack of corner tackling (screens) struggles with pick plays (especially quick hitters) and a lack of team speed on defense. YR

Rich I think we could add taking bad angles too.

 

[DandyDon1722]

The answer why we are not creating turnovers is so simple. We had 31 turnovers last year on defense. Let's look who had them......

Bruce Carter 5 INts
Orlando Scandrick 2 ints 2 FF
Justin Durant 1 int 1 FR 2 FF
Sterling Moore 2 FR 1 FF
George Selvie 1 FR 1 FF
Dwayne Harris 1 FR
Anthony Spencer 1 FR 2 FF
C.J. Spillman 1 FR 1 FF
Henry Melton 2 FR
Keith Smith 1 FF
Terrell McClain 1 FF

FF=Forced fumble
FR=Fumbles recovered
INT=interception

17 of the 31 turnovers are from guys that are no longer here......

We are on pace for 8 this season.....Do the math

The guys that were creating all those turnovers are no longer part of the organization....

Now look @ this year......

Sean Lee 1 INT
J.J. Wilcox 1 INT
Greg Hardy 1 INT 1 FF
Nick Hayden 1 FR

And that's it...........4 turnovers

Wow - and to think the stuff that is uncovered in here is done for free.

I haven't seen one "paid" reporter ever bring this up. Check's in the mail Floaty.

 

[Floatyworm]

Wow - and to think the stuff that is uncovered in here is done for free.

I haven't seen one "paid" reporter ever bring this up. Check's in the mail Floaty.

I have my moments..........Not many.....but a few. Thanks for the props

 

[foofighters]

Where's the TL;DR statement?

 

[TheDude]

Dallas had the same non ballhawk type players in the back seven. And still were 2nd in the nfl in takeovers last yr.

Lack of turnovers is 100% because teams know they dont have to take chances. Because they know the offense is going to give them extra chances.

Not to hard to figure. Of Last years 18 interceptions, 9 were by LBs. 5 from carter, to from McClain and one each from Durant and Hitchens.

Safeties had 5 (Wilcox 3, church 2) leaving 4 for CBs...2 by Scandrick and 1 each for Claiborne and Patmon.

Lee is not Lee. McClain is disinterested and done. Yet somehow this 4 -2-5 is the new staple. McClain was gifted the starter role while showing nothing - which means this "competition sermon" applies only to no name players.


Carr isn't worth the vet minimum, let alone starting over Patmon or White....yet, here we are.

The scandrick blow was big, but exacerbated by dumb person ell decisions.


That said, the offense has been atrocious in the first 5 games...the oline was really bad run blocking even when tony was here. Collins helped immensely, but it took desperation to realize he was the better player.

Finally, If I have posted or started a thread once about this organizations view of safeties , I've done it 100 times. I've stated for the past 4 years that these are the worst safeties in the league save maybe one year when Reid doughty and some other turd was with washington.

Church has never been anything other than a hybrid LB. Probably the worst coverage safety in the league. I had hope for Wilcox, but not happening. Heath doesn't belong and the NFL, but he may be the best of the 3 non of my previous ridicule jokes about him withstanding.

It's are important, but if you really want to puke ....look at the fumbles compared to last year.

 

[iceberg]

It seems "bad luck" is affecting our pass rush. However, all of the bad luck is on the other side of the ball where opposing offensive lines are constantly having to play back up tackles.

Yet, here we sit with one sack in the past two games.

and don't forget the ball not bouncing our way. that has a lot to do with this bad luck trend we're on.

 

[TheDude]

The answer why we are not creating turnovers is so simple. We had 31 turnovers last year on defense. Let's look who had them......

Bruce Carter 5 INts
Orlando Scandrick 2 ints 2 FF
Justin Durant 1 int 1 FR 2 FF
Sterling Moore 2 FR 1 FF
George Selvie 1 FR 1 FF
Dwayne Harris 1 FR
Anthony Spencer 1 FR 2 FF
C.J. Spillman 1 FR 1 FF
Henry Melton 2 FR
Keith Smith 1 FF
Terrell McClain 1 FF

FF=Forced fumble
FR=Fumbles recovered
INT=interception

17 of the 31 turnovers are from guys that are no longer here......

We are on pace for 8 this season.....Do the math

The guys that were creating all those turnovers are no longer part of the organization....

Now look @ this year......

Sean Lee 1 INT
J.J. Wilcox 1 INT
Greg Hardy 1 INT 1 FF
Nick Hayden 1 FR

And that's it...........4 turnovers

Nice. Should have read the whole thread before I responded...would have saved me time

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Garrett's pathetic offense without Romo will make any defense worse than it is - whether it is bad on its own or not - even the 2000 Ravens' defense.

new spin on garrett hatred...... and the idiocy continues....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think there is more going on than what this article brings to light. Example, back when Zimmer was here they had a statistically good defense while the offense was incompetent at best. I cannot recall the exact year (Campo era?) or rankings but that years team could not muster any offensive threat at all but yet the defense didn't seem as porous as the 2015 version.

Craig

but according to some its the offenses fault. and directly garrett's fault...but when good plays happen its all linehan, every play that fails its garrett even if its the same damn play that worked once and didn't another time....

 

[Zordon]

Don't even know what to say anymore. This team is an EMBARASSMENT on the very highest level imaginable. Week after week the same bull ****. Have a chance to win a football game. They throw an interception and gift a team points. Can't stop the run, cant get pressure on Bradford who has been under fire all season long. An Eagles offense that has been anemic all season long did whatever they wanted really. This team simply isn't what we all thought. Last year was a fluke clearly. We just stink. Same mistakes. Linebackers overrunning plays, safeties taking bad angles, defensive ends not containing, corners not playing the ball, and the same predictable, vanilla scheme on offense.

It really is incredible how seemingly every player on defense is playing worse than they played last year. *** happened in the offseason? Were they too busy reading their press clippings to work hard? That's my biggest problem with the Cowboys - they never know how to handle success. They get a little success and they get fat and happy about it and NEVER take the next step. Bunch of losers..

 

[Cas2800]

Yet so many on here still claim the defense is playing great. Sturm was quick to point out the atlanta game and the Eagles games where the defense couldnt make a stop. But just like many here he forgot about the overtime game against the Saints when they gave up a TD in overtime. Plain and simple.......When its mattered most, this defense has failed.

 

[texbumthelife]

Sorry but this is a bunch of garbage and even trying to sound analytical doesnt make it sound less idiotic. Dallas isnt getting TOs because of one thing. Teams are nickle and diming the whole game. Teams know cowboys arent going to jump out to a lead. So they are taking what they give them and working it until the defense tires. Because the offense has no juice. If you dont believe me look at every game since Romo has been out. IDC who Sturm is and how much tape he watches. All he has to do is watch once to see teams are getting very minimal big plays on this defense. Rather running short slants and making some short plays with missed tackles into some big plays. Dallas probably gets picked more than any team because this team plays stingy defense early. Problem is the offense and ST puts this def in bad posistions. Watch the first eagles game where dallas came out hot and you see what this defense does when teams have to play catchup. Get out of here with this garbage Sturm.

Did you even read the whole article? You pretty much just agreed with everything Sturm said...

He specifically talks about the lack of offense being a huge part of the problem and, before this week, the defense hadn't been giving up big plays.

Seriously, at least read the article before you start calling out people.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

Agreed. I think Sturm lays out a good case why we shouldn't be surprised that takeaways are down vs last year when the team led most of the time.

What Sturm can't explain, no anybody else on the planet, is why the 2015 Dallas Cowboys are on pace to smash the NFL record for fewest takeaways in a season... Why of the approx 1110 '16 game seasons' they have been played since since 1978 by all teams when they moved to 16 games, that the Cowboys are on pace to be the worst of those 1110 in one half of the most important NFL metric of them all - turnover ratio.

I haven't seen anybody offer up a good theory, because I don't think one it exists.

teams don't have to take "chances" because we don't score. Teams don't have to play catch up.....teams don't go into games scared they are going to have to keep up on the scoreboard...our anemic offense has allowed the opposition to get a bye week when Dallas has been on the schedule

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Well, there's a reasonable theory about the takeaways, anyway.

the only problem with that theory is that if they could stop an offense, they wouldn't fall behind. The times they've had the lead, the easily concede it due to their inability to get a turnover or make a stop. If they could make a stop or get a turnover, they wouldn't play from behind.

 

[craig71]

but according to some its the offenses fault. and directly garrett's fault...but when good plays happen its all linehan, every play that fails its garrett even if its the same damn play that worked once and didn't another time....

I hear ya. Reminds me of an ole boy who only smiled after having sex with his wife. Come to think of it I'm wrong, his wife told me he didn't even smile on those occasions.

Craig

 

[Mr Cowboy]

If you read the article, it makes a case for the defensive problems are rooted in the general ineffectiveness of the offense to put pressure on the other team. That is a very clear trend going back to when Jason first became OC. Last year, the emergence of a legit running game, along with Romo's continued bail out ability, finally turned that around.

I disagree, the offense not playing well doesn't preclude the defense from doing its job. If the offense is having a hard time, and going 3 and out, what prevents the defense from doing the same? There's been plenty of teams, and there are plenty of teams who struggle on offense, but the defense does it's job and keeps the team int he game. I'm not buying the blaming of Romo's injury for poor defensive play.