Sturm: Marinelli Report - Eagles

CowboysFaninDC said:
new spin on garrett hatred...... and the idiocy continues....
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LOL. There's no "spin" on this at all. This is where the idea of the "best defense is a good offense" came from.

Our defense may be hyped up, but our offense isn't doing them any favors either. Both are symbiotic. It's only when one side far outweighs the other in terms of success, i.e. is at the top of the league, that they can compensate for the other.
 
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LatinMind said:
Sorry but this is a bunch of garbage and even trying to sound analytical doesnt make it sound less idiotic. Dallas isnt getting TOs because of one thing. Teams are nickle and diming the whole game. Teams know cowboys arent going to jump out to a lead. So they are taking what they give them and working it until the defense tires. Because the offense has no juice. If you dont believe me look at every game since Romo has been out. IDC who Sturm is and how much tape he watches. All he has to do is watch once to see teams are getting very minimal big plays on this defense. Rather running short slants and making some short plays with missed tackles into some big plays. Dallas probably gets picked more than any team because this team plays stingy defense early. Problem is the offense and ST puts this def in bad posistions. Watch the first eagles game where dallas came out hot and you see what this defense does when teams have to play catchup. Get out of here with this garbage Sturm.
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8 explosive plays in one game, most of them in the second half.

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The biggest question we have on D is WHY Lee is so important? The success of the D should not hinge on one player. If he plays the D plays much better. If he is out, things go to pot. This was a rhetoical question....

We DO NOT have enough crunch time big play guys who can take over a game when we need them to. I overated the entire team in my head over the off season and through the first 5 games or so. It would seem that I am not the only one who did so.
 
SultanOfSix said:
LOL. There's no "spin" on this at all. This is where the idea of the "best defense is a good offense" came from.

Our defense may be hyped up, but our offense isn't doing them any favors either. Both are symbiotic. It's only when one side far outweighs the other in terms of success that they can compensate.
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actually the defense is doing the offense no favors.... no critical stops, no short fields, no turnovers, no sacks. When your starting QB goes out with an injury, that's when your defense has to step up and play at its best, not blame the offense and the back up QB for its problems. I don't understand where this idea that ir's offense's job to keep the defense off the field.
 
SultanOfSix said:
LOL. There's no "spin" on this at all. This is where the idea of the "best defense is a good offense" came from.

Our defense may be hyped up, but our offense isn't doing them any favors either. Both are symbiotic. It's only when one side far outweighs the other in terms of success that they can compensate.
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and you hear exactly the opposite quote. best offense is a good defense..as in football there quotes of quotes....

the offense has been good enough in 4 games for the defense to make a stop in the 4th and they haven't. the problem isn't the first 3, but the last quarter. we had ZERO sacks against the worst OL in the league. we had 1 sack against an OL that had two substitutes at tackle. we have had 2 turnovers all season...we have a bad bad bad 3rd down defense. the fact is this is a bad defense. they had all their pieces and yet they sucked. at least the offense was missing its top 2 players who are top 5 in the league. enough making excuses for a crappy defense. they are fault as much if not more for the pathetic losing streak....
 
I'd like to see some comparison to how well that 2000 Ravens offense played and how often the defense played with a lead. They had a historically bad offense that year, if I am not mistaken, and still had a historically good defense.

I agree that a defense playing with a lead definitely ups the ante and the potential for the opposing offense to make mistakes, but as other have stated, the only sure fire way for a team to ever get a lead, is to get stops. It doesn't matter how great your offense is, you wont have consistent leads if your defense doesn't in turn stop the opposing team. You would essentially have to win every coin toss for that to be the case.
 
Mr Cowboy said:
the only problem with that theory is that if they could stop an offense, they wouldn't fall behind. The times they've had the lead, the easily concede it due to their inability to get a turnover or make a stop. If they could make a stop or get a turnover, they wouldn't play from behind.
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The idea is that they're build to play with a lead, because that's when how offenses play you has to change. We've had had games where the defense has held teams' scoring down, but the offense still couldn't get us the lead.

We're probably looking at a compound problem here, as percy suggests, above, and the playing from neutral or behind is just a portion of the problem. But it makes sense, at least.

Problem is, if you build your defense to complement your offense this way, then, when you play good defensive teams, it compromises the way your team likes to win games. That's how you get teams that cruise through the regular season and then slog down in the playoffs when they play nothing but better defenses or teams that can score points at the same rate.
 
perrykemp said:
Agreed. I think Sturm lays out a good case why we shouldn't be surprised that takeaways are down vs last year when the team led most of the time.

What Sturm can't explain, no anybody else on the planet, is why the 2015 Dallas Cowboys are on pace to smash the NFL record for fewest takeaways in a season... Why of the approx 1110 '16 game seasons' they have been played since since 1978 by all teams when they moved to 16 games, that the Cowboys are on pace to be the worst of those 1110 in one half of the most important NFL metric of them all - turnover ratio.

I haven't seen anybody offer up a good theory, because I don't think one it exists.
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When you are historically bad it is not one factor, it is a combination but it is not complicated

It is a combination of :

Always playing from behind
Opposition offense knowing they can be conservative because we will not put up numbers
Lack of pressure from DL
Poor CB play (talent and technique)
Poor conditioning overall so by third quarter they're tired
Lack of attention to a 1T DT
Ignoring importance of FS

All of these factors are an indictment of the FO and esp the coaching staff

Garrett has had 5 years, he has the OC he wanted and the DC he wanted

Garrett homies have been telling me for 5 years that Garrett is building this team 'the right way' so we can 'contend for a long time'

I just didn't know they meant contend for a top 5 pick
 
So basically, the offense can't score and the opposing offense isn't threatened in pushing the pace and the defense doesn't get TOs..

Like I'vs been saying for years, Garrett's track record here the whole time.. just get rid of his garbage playbook...
 
ScipioCowboy said:
Yeah, I don't get it either. But you know what? There's always another season.
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I wouldn't be so sure about that. Excepting last year, the seasons over the past few years have all been similarly mediocre and disappointing.
 
Mr Cowboy said:
actually the defense is doing the offense no favors.... no critical stops, no short fields, no turnovers, no sacks. When your starting QB goes out with an injury, that's when your defense has to step up and play at its best, not blame the offense and the back up QB for its problems. I don't understand where this idea that ir's offense's job to keep the defense off the field.
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Both suck.

That's why I said the defense was hyped up, but the offense isn't doing them any favors. Both are choke artists. Teams can win with backup QBs though. Hardy had an interception returned to the twelve yard line in the Seattle game. Score from there, and that's probably a win.
 
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this team is the definition of inconsistency find new and creative ways to lose games.
 
canters said:
The biggest question we have on D is WHY Lee is so important? The success of the D should not hinge on one player. If he plays the D plays much better. If he is out, things go to pot. This was a rhetoical question....

We DO NOT have enough crunch time big play guys who can take over a game when we need them to. I overated the entire team in my head over the off season and through the first 5 games or so. It would seem that I am not the only one who did so.
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He is the QB of the defense that puts the players in the right defense before the snap. He has been touted as a film guru. After last game the Eagles we claiming we were stealing their offensive calls. No that was just Lee recognizing their formations and tendancies. Before Lee went out they has allowed 7 points. After Lee got hurt they allowed 26. Just a coincidence? I think not. Too bad hes made of glass.
 
LatinMind said:
Sorry but this is a bunch of garbage and even trying to sound analytical doesnt make it sound less idiotic. Dallas isnt getting TOs because of one thing. Teams are nickle and diming the whole game. Teams know cowboys arent going to jump out to a lead. So they are taking what they give them and working it until the defense tires. Because the offense has no juice. If you dont believe me look at every game since Romo has been out. IDC who Sturm is and how much tape he watches. All he has to do is watch once to see teams are getting very minimal big plays on this defense. Rather running short slants and making some short plays with missed tackles into some big plays. Dallas probably gets picked more than any team because this team plays stingy defense early. Problem is the offense and ST puts this def in bad posistions. Watch the first eagles game where dallas came out hot and you see what this defense does when teams have to play catchup. Get out of here with this garbage Sturm.
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You obviously didn't read or more probably didn't understand the article. He present good sample size of evidence, presents an organized and well thought out and researched argument. Not saying it's right, but he did put work into it.
 
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