Sturm: On the Romo Signing

[DFWJC]

You can't pin all those losses on Romo either.

It's ridiculous. The lowest common denominator type argument. Just so weak and shallow. Some of these fans are embarrassing.

 

[rocboy22]

I wouldn't pin the Washington game solely on him either. I remember our defense getting repeatedly burned by the read-option.

Me neither, but that is the one I would say people could go there. None of the others, though.

 

[rocboy22]

You're assuming he would just leave which I think is unlikely. If he had the success we all want, I feel confident that he would re-sign in Dallas. His cap # this year would have been $16.8 million and all of that would be coming off of next year's cap, giving them more than enough space to make Romo a market rate contract. If they wanted him back, I'm confident he would re-sign. To me, the risk in losing him after a good season is miniscule compared to the risk of committing those dollars and years to Romo and his current track record.

no, it wouldn't have. there were 3 phoney years added onto his contract which we would have been hit with the bonus pro-ration on.

 

[03EBZ06]

You're assuming he would just leave which I think is unlikely. If he had the success we all want, I feel confident that he would re-sign in Dallas. His cap # this year would have been $16.8 million and all of that would be coming off of next year's cap, giving them more than enough space to make Romo a market rate contract. If they wanted him back, I'm confident he would re-sign. To me, the risk in losing him after a good season is miniscule compared to the risk of committing those dollars and years to Romo and his current track record.

You started this IF game, so assumption is part of it. You basically said if he doesn't want to re-sigh, than move on but when tough questions comes with your assumptions and ifs, you are assuming that he will stay?

Again, you can't have both ways.

 

[BlueStar22]

I agree but he hasn't played well in almost all of them.

His protection has played at a level where they couldn't block me in those games.

 

[BlueStar22]

The pefect example is Matt Ryan. The guy has a WORSE playoff record at 1-4 yet he's beloved. Romo gets destroyed for only having 1 playoff win.

It's amazing, I'm hesitant to tell people I'm a fan when I'm asked because he's so polarizing. Next question is always, "what do you think of Romo?"

 

[DFWJC]

It's amazing, I'm hesitant to tell people I'm a fan when I'm asked because he's so polarizing. Next question is always, "what do you think of Romo?"

But that's exactly what Belichick would ask you.
And if you said anything other than that he was outstanding, he would end the conversation (at least regarding football).
The ultimate football knowledge filter for a Cowboy fan according to him.

 

[Cowboys22]

You started this IF game, so assumption is part of it. You basically said if he doesn't want to re-sigh, than move on but when tough questions comes with your assumptions and ifs, you are assuming that he will stay?

Again, you can't have both ways.

No I'm not assuming he would stay. I'm saying I would be confident enough that I could re-sign him to a market deal that the risk was worth taking so as to not make the hugh risk it is to given him the contract now.

 

[Cowboys22]

no, it wouldn't have. there were 3 phoney years added onto his contract which we would have been hit with the bonus pro-ration on.

Please explain. Was this year the last year on his deal making him a free agent next year? If so, all prorated bonus money would be accounted for making him completely off the books next year. Or, were there still years left on his contract but they were voided, meaning there would still be cap dollars counting for him even if he left after next season? If this is the case and depending on how much, it could actually change my thinking a bit.

 

[03EBZ06]

No I'm not assuming he would stay. I'm saying I would be confident enough that I could re-sign him to a market deal that the risk was worth taking so as to not make the hugh risk it is to given him the contract now.

But the risk of letting a player play out his contract is there is possibility of that player testing FA market especially if he just had a great season and if team loses Romo with out any comp and stuck with low draft pick then this team will be floundering for sometime, just like after Aikman and before Romo.

 

[rocboy22]

Please explain. Was this year the last year on his deal making him a free agent next year? If so, all prorated bonus money would be accounted for making him completely off the books next year. Or, were there still years left on his contract but they were voided, meaning there would still be cap dollars counting for him even if he left after next season? If this is the case and depending on how much, it could actually change my thinking a bit.

after this year, there would be 3 more years (maybe 2, not totally sure, but I think 3) that would automatically void AFTER the franchise tag period. So, during the tag period we would not be able to use it, because Romo would not be a pending FA. but, then after the tag period, his extra years would void (due to conditions in the contract already met) which would cause us to take the cap hit pro-ration for those years. Those extra years cap pro-ration is built into the cap relief/hit we are taking for Romo THIS year.

 

[Echo9]

You don't "move on" from a franchise QB unless he just can't play anymore. Which is clearly not the case with Romo.

These guys are rare. You can spend 20 plus years looking for a QB who can be considered among the best at his position. When you find one, you keep him at all costs and build around him.

Now if you don't believe Romo is franchise caliber, none of this matters. I do though. So resigning him was the only option. Of course I'd have liked it to be less costly but it is what it is.

Help! HELP! The room is spinning. My vision is growing dark! I'm agreeing 100% with Risen.

 

[Cowboys22]

It's amazing, I'm hesitant to tell people I'm a fan when I'm asked because he's so polarizing. Next question is always, "what do you think of Romo?"

What's really amazing is what you just admitted. You don't want to tell people you're a Cowboys fan because you don't want to have to defend their starting QB and that doesn't tell you anything? See, I'm not hesitant at all because when the subject comes up, I'm willing to admit the truth. I tell them great stats, has some great games but keeps letting me down in the end and since I'm not in charge of the team all I can do cheer for him to find success next year.

 

[Cowboys22]

after this year, there would be 3 more years (maybe 2, not totally sure, but I think 3) that would automatically void AFTER the franchise tag period. So, during the tag period we would not be able to use it, because Romo would not be a pending FA. but, then after the tag period, his extra years would void (due to conditions in the contract already met) which would cause us to take the cap hit pro-ration for those years. Those extra years cap pro-ration is built into the cap relief/hit we are taking for Romo THIS year.

Do you have a dollar amount, even just a rough one, Romo would be on the books for in 2014 if they let him play out 2013 and were not able to re-sign him? Is this why his new deal only saved $5 million when everyone thought it would save $8-10 million?

 

[rocboy22]

Do you have a dollar amount, even just a rough one, Romo would be on the books for in 2014 if they let him play out 2013 and were not able to re-sign him? Is this why his new deal only saved $5 million when everyone thought it would save $8-10 million?

yes, that's why. I don't know the exact amounts - you can probably look them up.

 

[btcutter]

Makes a valid point. I disagree that it was the only rational choice. Sometimes you have to sacrifice the present for the future. JJ will never make that sacrifice because it makes the team less marketable to the average fan. I just hope we don't end up losing a young rising star because of the cap.

You are making an assumption that sacraficing the present guarantees success in the future. This assumption with JJ running the show is far from a guarantee.

 

[SMCowboy]

But they can lose them for you which Romo has proven. That is the point.

The ONLY game that you could even come CLOSE to pinning on Romo, is the Washington game. But even that game I would say the biggest problem wasn't Romo's 3 INT's, but the fact that Alfred Morris ran 200 yards with a far from 100% RGIII at QB.

Lets actually look at the other games:
2006 Seahawks Playoff Game: 189 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT's, 59% Completion Percentage
2007 Giants Playoff Game: 201 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 50% Completion Percentage
2008 Eagles Game (Final Game of the season): 189 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT, 54% Completion Percentage. Despite playing the second half with a rib injury, that caused him to pass out in the shower after the game.
2009 Eagles Final Game of the season, for the NFC Championship:
311 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT, 70% Completion Percentage
2009 Eagles Playoff Game: 244 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's, 65% Completion Percentage (Romo was excellent in this game)
2009 Vikings Playoff Game: 198 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT, 63% Completion Percentage (Despite the fact he was sacked 6 times). The reason we lost this game was the OL couldn't even slow down the Vikings DL.
2011 Giants Game (final Game of the season): 289 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT, 78% Completion Percentage, despite being sacks 6 times. Romo was not the reason we lost this game, he was the only reason we where even IN this ball game.
2012 Commanders Game (final game of the season): 218 yards, 2 TD's, 3 INT's, 54%.

If you look at all the win or go home games, he has had exactly one multi interception game. And no absolute stinker games, the closest thing to an absolute stinker is the Commander game where he still throws 2 TD's, and for over 200 yards.

 

[DFWJC]

You are making an assumption that sacraficing the present guarantees success in the future. This assumption with JJ running the show is far from a guarantee.

There's a long list of teams that have continuously had fairly high picks and have yet to find that franchise QB.
You're right; it's not a given.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

You are making an assumption that sacraficing the present guarantees success in the future. This assumption with JJ running the show is far from a guarantee.

Nothing is a given. Romo could have a career ending injury.... You would have more resources to allocate to other positions in the future if you had not resigned him.

 

[SMCowboy]

If Romo throws 3 ints with the playoffs on the line again next year, do you honestly think we should still consider him a franchise QB? At what point is enough enough?

Well, since you seem to be all about track record, I would say that 1 multi INT game out of 7 win or go home, games is a pretty good track record.

Please do explain where this track record of choking in big games lines up with these lines:
189 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT's, 59% Completion Percentage
201 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 50% Completion Percentage
189 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT, 54% Completion Percentage
244 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's, 65% Completion Percentage
198 yards, 0 TD's, 1 INT, 63% Completion Percentage
289 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT, 78% Completion Percentage
218 yards, 2 TD's, 3 INT's, 54% Completion Percentage

I don't see a choke game in that stat line anywhere. I I certainly don't consider an average of: 218 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, and a 60.5% Completion Percentage proof of not being able to perform in big games. Put out over a 16 game schedule those numbers would end up being: 3493 yards, 18 TD's, 16 INT's, 60.5% Completion Percentage. Given that all those game would be against playoff teams, in my mind, those a pretty solid numbers.

Those numbers are a track record, not 1 multi INT game.