Suh to the Bucs?

[Jake]

Unless they're signing him for significantly less than McCoy's $13M, I not sure about the trade-off. Hell, at least you knew what you had in McCoy.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/21/ndamukong-suh-expected-to-sign-with-buccaneers/
Ndamukong Suh expected to sign with Buccaneers
Posted by Michael David Smith on May 21, 2019, 2:55 PM EDT

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Gerald McCoy is out in Tampa Bay, and now Ndamukong Suh is on the way in.

Suh and the Bucs are finalizing a one-year contract, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports.

My understanding is McCoy had $13 million per year for 3 years left and they could get out of it now without a big cap hit. Seems they didn't like the 3 year part of it.

 

[CCBoy]

He's officially signed now...

 

[xwalker]

Tell that to OL of Cowboys in last year playoff game. He walked Martin around field all day.

Not true!

I just re-watched all of Martin's snaps in that game on the All-22.

The Cowboys had plenty of problems in that game, but Martin vs Suh was NOT one of them.

Martin displayed textbook blocking on the almost all snaps against Suh.

I've listed the the plays where Suh might have appeared to have success against Martin.

None of them are a clear win for Suh.

Q2, 11:37
3rd & 9, incomplete pass
Martin steers Suh wide.
Dak flushed into Suh at 5 seconds.
Suh tackles Dak after the pass is released.

Q2, 6:20
3rd and 5, incomplete pass
Martin starting to lose contain at 3 seconds but Dak has already thrown the ball.

Q3, 14:20
3rd and 7, incomplete pass
Martin steers Suh wide of Dak.
Suh in Dak's area but never touched him.

Q3, 9:23
2nd and 12, Dak to Gallup for 27 yards.
Suh with some penetration.
Martin steers him wide of Dak.
Dak stepped up in the pocket but Suh but never touched him.

Q4, 6:47
1st and 10, incomplete pass
Martin steers Suh to the outside.
At 3 seconds Suh breaks lose.
At 4 seconds Suh shoves Dak after Dak had made the throw.

Q4, 4:32
2nd and 1, Dak to Zeke for 7 yards.
Suh gets penetration on an in-out-in Bullrush move.
Martin counters him all the way and puts Suh on his backside at 4 seconds.


Q4, 2:53
4th and 3, 16 yard penalty on LA.
Suh breaks lose from Martin at 5 seconds.
Dak had moved out to his right.
Suh chases to the outside right.
The DE forces Dak back into Suh.
Suh hits Dak at 9 seconds just after Dak has thrown the ball.

Note on OL expectations:
Anything after 3 seconds is on the QB for holding the ball to long.
Interior OL, like OTs, sometimes take steps back, which is OK if:

They steer the pass rusher around the QB.
Stop the pass rusher well short of the QB ("drop their hips and anchor").​

 

[xwalker]

My understanding is McCoy had $13 million per year for 3 years left and they could get out of it now without a big cap hit. Seems they didn't like the 3 year part of it.

The 3 years had no bearing on anything relative to keeping or cutting McCoy this year.

There was not future guaranteed money in his contract.

 

[Aerolithe_Lion]

Not true!

I just re-watched all of Martin's snaps in that game on the All-22.

The Cowboys had plenty of problems in that game, but Martin vs Suh was NOT one of them.

Martin displayed textbook blocking on the almost all snaps against Suh.

I've listed the the plays where Suh might have appeared to have success against Martin.

None of them are a clear win for Suh.

Q2, 11:37
3rd & 9, incomplete pass
Martin steers Suh wide.
Dak flushed into Suh at 5 seconds.
Suh tackles Dak after the pass is released.

Q2, 6:20
3rd and 5, incomplete pass
Martin starting to lose contain at 3 seconds but Dak has already thrown the ball.

Q3, 14:20
3rd and 7, incomplete pass
Martin steers Suh wide of Dak.
Suh in Dak's area but never touched him.

Q3, 9:23
2nd and 12, Dak to Gallup for 27 yards.
Suh with some penetration.
Martin steers him wide of Dak.
Dak stepped up in the pocket but Suh but never touched him.

Q4, 6:47
1st and 10, incomplete pass
Martin steers Suh to the outside.
At 3 seconds Suh breaks lose.
At 4 seconds Suh shoves Dak after Dak had made the throw.

Q4, 4:32
2nd and 1, Dak to Zeke for 7 yards.
Suh gets penetration on an in-out-in Bullrush move.
Martin counters him all the way and puts Suh on his backside at 4 seconds.


Q4, 2:53
4th and 3, 16 yard penalty on LA.
Suh breaks lose from Martin at 5 seconds.
Dak had moved out to his right.
Suh chases to the outside right.
The DE forces Dak back into Suh.
Suh hits Dak at 9 seconds just after Dak has thrown the ball.

Note on OL expectations:
Anything after 3 seconds is on the QB for holding the ball to long.
Interior OL, like OTs, sometimes take steps back, which is OK if:

They steer the pass rusher around the QB.
Stop the pass rusher well short of the QB ("drop their hips and anchor").​

Those are only the passing plays. What happened on the running ones? Suh is an all around DT.

 

[xwalker]

Those are only the passing plays. What happened on the running ones? Suh is an all around DT.

I listed all of the plays where it might have appeared that Suh won vs Martin.

Suh didn't really win or appear to win any run snaps against Martin.

Brockers looked better than Suh on run plays vs Martin.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Suh getting 9.25MM with incentives that can take it to an even $10MM