Suisham is our kicker Sunday....

[theogt]

Um, where did you hear that Carpenter is going to be on the inactive list?

It was just a Mickey Spanola prediction.

 

[Kittymama]

Personally, I don't see the Suisham choice as a bad thing. He certainly kicked better than Vandy during preseason. It'll do one of two things--either motivate Vandy so that he starts nailing the kicks, or better yet, Suisham turns out to be a pleasant surprise & we have our kicker of the future.

With all due respect to the Hoffman supporter--he's gone, get over it. Also, 30 other teams around the league manage to get along without a kicking coach.

 

[MapleLeaf]

per bills PC.wow.

...leaves something to be desired. Right now:

1. We carry two kickers.

2. BP has said he will only dress one of the two kickers for game days. He may change his mind in the future, but that's what he is going with for now.

We have a young, relatively inexpensive, inconsistent, but strong leg. Or Big money, sore groin, short kick off, wide right veteran. Not alot there to hang your hat on.

Two hours before game time BP is going to walk out onto the field and make a beeline for DeHaven. His first question is going to be, "Who can play?" His next one is going to be, "What distance can I count on?" That's not the greatest position to put your head coach in. It may actually alter the game plan or give you ulcers.

I would be pulling McBriar aside at the start of the week and get him to practice kickoffs with his leg. The second kicker on the squad may prove costly down the road roster wise.

 

[Doomsday101]

Personally, I don't see the Suisham choice as a bad thing. He certainly kicked better than Vandy during preseason. It'll do one of two things--either motivate Vandy so that he starts nailing the kicks, or better yet, Suisham turns out to be a pleasant surprise & we have our kicker of the future.

With all due respect to the Hoffman supporter--he's gone, get over it. Also, 30 other teams around the league manage to get along without a kicking coach.

I agree. I also think selling Suisham short at this point is a bit unfair. He has done a decent job through out the pre-season and is a young kicker who had a total of 4 FG attempts last season hitting on 3 of 4 and 8 for 8 on extra points. We don't know how good he could become.

 

[dogunwo]

We don't even know if Carpenter will be inactive. I don't suspect he will be.

Parcells said he would be inactive in yesterday's press conference. All it means is we are deep as hell at LB.

 

[theogt]

Parcells said he would be inactive in yesterday's press conference. All it means is we are deep as hell at LB.

Huh? I listened to the whole thing and don't remember this.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I agree. I also think selling Suisham short at this point is a bit unfair. He has done a decent job through out the pre-season and is a young kicker who had a total of 4 FG attempts last season hitting on 3 of 4 and 8 for 8 on extra points. We don't know how good he could become.

...on the field is purely a credit to him. Where the criticism comes in is if Suisham/injury signals an early end to the Vanderjagt experiment. That's a serious mistake in my eyes. One that shouldn't have been as risky as it has turned out so far.

No one has said Vandy's a bust, and he more than turn this situation around in a few weeks, but he was paid big dollars to overcome three lossed games. Every game he misses is one less the team has gotten their value in.

Even worse every missed kick from any other kicker, Suisham and hopefully no other turnstile kicker, would be lost value from Vanderjagt. From what we all hoped was to be a position of strength now we have an auspicious start.

This is not how you score efficiency points in free agency and being a Cowboys supporter, misses in free agency is not a good thought. (Think Galloway.)

 

[theogt]

Parcells said he would be inactive in yesterday's press conference. All it means is we are deep as hell at LB.

Looked at the recap and I don't see that it's in there.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I'm just glad we *have* Suisham... He looks to be much improved this year, and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns into a good NFL kicker.

 

[SA_Gunslinger]

Looked at the recap and I don't see that it's in there.

it's speculation right now, but based on insiders, it seems likely that B.C. will be inactive.

 

[Doomsday101]

...on the field is purely a credit to him. Where the criticism comes in is if Suisham/injury signals an early end to the Vanderjagt experiment. That's a serious mistake in my eyes. One that shouldn't have been as risky as it has turned out so far.

No one has said Vandy's a bust, and he more than turn this situation around in a few weeks, but he was paid big dollars to overcome three lossed games. Every game he misses is one less the team has gotten their value in.

Even worse every missed kick from any other kicker, Suisham and hopefully no other turnstile kicker, would be lost value from Vanderjagt. From what we all hoped was to be a position of strength now we have an auspicious start.

This is not how you score efficiency points in free agency and being a Cowboys supporter, misses in free agency is not a good thought. (Think Galloway.)

I really don't care about efficiency points over real points on the field. What would be bad is to have a young kicker who proves he can do the job and cut him just to see him prosper else where. As for Vandy he needs to get it going like you I don't want to see wasted money but again points on the field are the only points that matter. Unlike some I don't care about Vandy's history he got his money because of that history now all I care about is can you put the ball through the uprights and if Suisham can do that then he deserves to get more opportunities. Business is business but the game still comes down to performance. Having said that I don’t expect to see Vandy cut but I do expect him to do the job and if he fails to do that then I think Dallas and BP would give Suisham more chances

 

[theogt]

it's speculation right now, but based on insiders, it seems likely that B.C. will be inactive.

It' just Mick predicting it, and he was basing his opinion on the press conference. I don't know what in the PC gave him that impression. Maybe it was the special teams comment, but I doubt that would cause him to sit Carpenter.

 

[Doomsday]

one week does not make a season. if vandy isn't ready, i want him to be healthy for dec and jan.....september is the time to heal, if need be.

Come on stop adding common sense to a perfectly good doom and gloom thread.

 

[CIWhitefish]

...on the field is purely a credit to him. Where the criticism comes in is if Suisham/injury signals an early end to the Vanderjagt experiment. That's a serious mistake in my eyes. One that shouldn't have been as risky as it has turned out so far.

No one has said Vandy's a bust, and he more than turn this situation around in a few weeks, but he was paid big dollars to overcome three lossed games. Every game he misses is one less the team has gotten their value in.

Even worse every missed kick from any other kicker, Suisham and hopefully no other turnstile kicker, would be lost value from Vanderjagt. From what we all hoped was to be a position of strength now we have an auspicious start.

This is not how you score efficiency points in free agency and being a Cowboys supporter, misses in free agency is not a good thought. (Think Galloway.)

If Vandy was 100% healthy and doing awful I'd buy your arguement but I don't see how he's a FA miss when he's hurt. I supposed Cleveland really blew it getting Bentley who is out for the year because he was paid a ton for nothing. No, it's just one of those things that happen. It's unfortunate Vandy is hurt but it's the first freaking game. If this was week 6 maybe I'd worry but not the first game. Try to enjoy it! I know I will.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I really don't care about efficiency points over real points on the field. What would be bad is to have a young kicker who proves he can do the job and cut him just to see him prosper else where. As for Vandy he needs to get it going like you I don't want to see wasted money but again points on the field are the only points that matter. Unlike some I don't care about Vandy's history he got his money because of that history now all I care about is can you put the ball through the uprights and if Suisham can do that then he deserves to get more opportunities. Business is business but the game still comes down to performance. Having said that I don’t expect to see Vandy cut but I do expect him to do the job and if he fails to do that then I think Dallas and BP would give Suisham more chances

...is bad free agency decisions can have a domino effect in other areas. It's choices you have control over because it's that team's money not a predetermined slot in a draft.

If the Vandy experiment failed because a combination of Suisham and injury ended it would we be talking about money we could have used for someone like Steve Hutchinson?

When FA started I looked only at the three kickers; Vinatieri, Vanderjagt and Longwell (of whom Longwell was my choice) and Steve Hutchinson. Owens wasn't even on the radar. If the numbers could fit with a guy like Longwell how much better would this team be with those three?

This is obviously the "what if" game, but those games are played out every year with serious consequences for the losers. That's why GM and coaches get fired.

Suisham may get our points through the uprights and make Cowboys fans forget about Vanderjagt, but the weakness of the o-line may temper your enthusiasm for the kicking team. At the start of FA the o-line was a big question mark. Did Vandy takes some money away from a possible solution?

 

[GTaylor]

Come on stop adding common sense to a perfectly good doom and gloom thread.

We need at least one positive post else this thread is in danger of being renamed "Official Offseason sucks thread"

 

[MapleLeaf]

If Vandy was 100% healthy and doing awful I'd buy your arguement but I don't see how he's a FA miss when he's hurt. I supposed Cleveland really blew it getting Bentley who is out for the year because he was paid a ton for nothing. No, it's just one of those things that happen. It's unfortunate Vandy is hurt but it's the first freaking game. If this was week 6 maybe I'd worry but not the first game. Try to enjoy it! I know I will.

...if these are both the same circumstances? Reports say that Vanderjagt's had a recurring groin injury for the past two years. That's not so good for a kicker. Bentley's never had a major knee problem till this year's unfortunate incident.

There is a legitimate question in the Vandy situation as to how healthy was he when he was signed and how much of a true problem has this groin been?

BTW, you may call it the first game, but it one of only 16. I wouldn't think that BP would let such a thought slide through his mind. Unlike all other major sports leagues every game in the NFL is important and you need your best squad out there to squeeze out wins. It makes no sense to play for the next week, you play for now!

Walking into your third consecutive season with a sore groin is not a good thing. If you dont' think it's a problem please review Vanderjagt's last public statements. He says he has no answer to what is happening to him???

 

[Doomsday101]

...is bad free agency decisions can have a domino effect in other areas. It's choices you have control over because it's that team's money not a predetermined slot in a draft.

If the Vandy experiment failed because a combination of Suisham and injury ended it would we be talking about money we could have used for someone like Steve Hutchinson?

When FA started I looked only at the three kickers; Vinatieri, Vanderjagt and Longwell (of whom Longwell was my choice) and Steve Hutchinson. Owens wasn't even on the radar. If the numbers could fit with a guy like Longwell how much better would this team be with those three?

This is obviously the "what if" game, but those games are played out every year with serious consequences for the losers. That's why GM and coaches get fired.

Suisham may get our points through the uprights and make Cowboys fans forget about Vanderjagt, but the weakness of the o-line may temper your enthusiasm for the kicking team. At the start of FA the o-line was a big question mark. Did Vandy takes some money away from a possible solution?

I'm don't disagree with that but after all is said and done and FA over and the season has started then performace is all I care about not all the what if or how much money this guy make over that guy. I'm the same with the draft I don't waste a lot of time and energy talking about guys we could have gotten I'm only interested in the guys we did get and how they perform. You are also right about that is how most GM and coaches get fired but I will say this team I highly doubt Jerry is going to fire himself anytime soon.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Something about the name Suisham that I just don't trust.

Squiggy...sneeze em...squeezem...don't know what it is.

Now Vanderjagt on the other hand, that name always gives me a chuckle.

It reminds me of one of the old painter guys they used to have on PBS...No not the big hair Bob Ross guy...there was another gray haired guy who had a thick german accent.
Always thought maybe he was a **** that got away. He would talk all loud and forceful and when he would say a certain color it made me laugh VAN DYKE BROWN he would say and sound like a mean version of Col Klink from the Hogans Heroes show.

So...when I hear Vanderjagts name I think of Van Dyke Brown and the old gray haired, possibly a **** who got away, screaming out a color like he was yelling at Hogan...and I chuckle.

Ok...I think I forgot to take my meds this morning.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Come on stop adding common sense to a perfectly good doom and gloom thread.

... to play your cards for thrre games and accept a player healing up for the end run of a 16 game season?

With the NFC East 9-7 may end up being another offseason sit down. We have a tough start to our schedule. If we don't fare well coming out of the gate we may not need Vanderjagt for the remaining games if we are mathematically eliminated.

We may not have control over what has happen to our kickers, but it doesn't mean we have to complicitely accept it.

Heal in September to win in December? Sounds like a recipe the Bengals have used for decades. Sure doesn't sound like any Cowboys team I know.