SUPERMAN RETURNS trailer

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It looks ok. Nothing like Batman Begins.

Are all Brian Singer supervillians gay?
 

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Danny White said:
It looks ok. Nothing like Batman Begins.

Are all Brian Singer supervillians gay?


LOL. But who, Spacey's Lex Luthor?

BTW, this is a straight up sequel to SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE and SUPERMAN II.

And very few "comic book films" can top BATMAN BEGINS -- except maybe for its sequel (coming June 2008).
 

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LOL. But who, Spacey's Lex Luthor?

BTW, this is a straight up sequel to SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE and SUPERMAN II.

And very few "comic book films" can top BATMAN BEGINS -- except maybe for its sequel (coming June 2008).
Yeah, Spacey and Ian McKellen (X-Men). NTTAWWT

As you know, I thought Batman Begins was fantastic. But I also really liked both X-Men movies. Is the new one supposed to be good?

I was never really wild about the Reeve Superman flicks, but hopefully this one will be decent.
 

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I've heard good things about it -- even with Bret Ratner at the helm. ;)

Re: Spacey, he's a fantastic actor IMO, and he's worked with Brian before (THE USUAL SUSPECTS).
 

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This is the superhero movie I've been nerding out to see. Seems like anyone who ever wore spandex has been given a movie in the last five years except Superman. Supes is da man! :cool:

Gotta admit though I'm pretty disappointed with the casting choices. The only one I think who will do as good a job as the original 1970's-1980's movies is Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. I'm sure kids today will think different and this new guy will be their version of Superman, but for me it will always be Christopher Reeve. (Was probably George Reeves for my old man.) The new Lois Lane doesn't look anywhere as clever as the Margot Kidder version either.

It was a lot easier to remake Batman because there had already been 3 actors portraying him in the former movies, and most characters didn't come back in the sequels. Batman was also never perfected like the original Richard Donner version of Superman. Hopefully, Brian Singer didn't screw this up. I like his X-Men stuff, and Usual Suspects was cool, but probably my fave Singer movie is the lesser known Apt Pupil.
 

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TruBlueCowboy said:
This is the superhero movie I've been nerding out to see. Seems like anyone who ever wore spandex has been given a movie in the last five years except Superman. Supes is da man! :cool:

Gotta admit though I'm pretty disappointed with the casting choices. The only one I think who will do as good a job as the original 1970's-1980's movies is Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. I'm sure kids today will think different and this new guy will be their version of Superman, but for me it will always be Christopher Reeve. (Was probably George Reeves for my old man.) The new Lois Lane doesn't look anywhere as clever as the Margot Kidder version either.

It was a lot easier to remake Batman because there had already been 3 actors portraying him in the former movies, and most characters didn't come back in the sequels. Batman was also never perfected like the original Richard Donner version of Superman. Hopefully, Brian Singer didn't screw this up. I like his X-Men stuff, and Usual Suspects was cool, but probably my fave Singer movie is the lesser known Apt Pupil.

I met both Singer and Brandon Routh (And he's darn near the spitting image of Chris Reeve) -- who is playing Superman -- in San Francisco last Feb. Both were really cool guys. Anyway, there was simply no way to top SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, so the sequel idea that Singer pitched to WB was the only way to go.

I'm going to see it early, so I'll let you know what I think.
 

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TruBlueCowboy said:
This is the superhero movie I've been nerding out to see. Seems like anyone who ever wore spandex has been given a movie in the last five years except Superman. Supes is da man! :cool:

Gotta admit though I'm pretty disappointed with the casting choices. The only one I think who will do as good a job as the original 1970's-1980's movies is Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor. I'm sure kids today will think different and this new guy will be their version of Superman, but for me it will always be Christopher Reeve. (Was probably George Reeves for my old man.) The new Lois Lane doesn't look anywhere as clever as the Margot Kidder version either.

It was a lot easier to remake Batman because there had already been 3 actors portraying him in the former movies, and most characters didn't come back in the sequels. Batman was also never perfected like the original Richard Donner version of Superman. Hopefully, Brian Singer didn't screw this up. I like his X-Men stuff, and Usual Suspects was cool, but probably my fave Singer movie is the lesser known Apt Pupil.
Margot Kidder may look more clever, but she was fugly! This new Lois looks much hotter.
 

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Danny White said:
It looks ok. Nothing like Batman Begins.

Are all Brian Singer supervillians gay?


If Batman Begins is your standard for superhero movies you'll likely never enjoy a superhero movie again.


Batman Begins is about as good as a movie gets. Instead of comparing another superhero movie to that one, you should just enjoy the superhero movie as an entirely different entity.
 

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Danny White said:
Margot Kidder may look more clever, but she was fugly! This new Lois looks much hotter.

I guess when you think about the news today, it really is more about looks then serious journalism, so probably only makes sense for the new Lois Lane to be all looks and no brain instead of the other way around. ;)
 

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Rack said:
If Batman Begins is your standard for superhero movies you'll likely never enjoy a superhero movie again.


Batman Begins is about as good as a movie gets. Instead of comparing another superhero movie to that one, you should just enjoy the superhero movie as an entirely different entity.
It's tough for Superhero movies to avoid the "cheesy" factor. Batman Begins did that wonderfully. I think the X-Men movies have succeeded at that as well.

Others, like the Clooney Batman, reeked of cheese. I think Spiderman suffered from that a bit as well. I just thought, that from the teaser, that there was a little cheese factor warning.
 

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It's tough for Superhero movies to avoid the "cheesy" factor. Batman Begins did that wonderfully. I think the X-Men movies have succeeded at that as well.

Others, like the Clooney Batman, reeked of cheese. I think Spiderman suffered from that a bit as well. I just thought, that from the teaser, that there was a little cheese factor warning.

I can find cheese in anything. :D

I'll tell you the cheesiest stuff in the new Batman movie. Everytime he talks to villains he goes overboard on the "I'm Batman and pissed at everyone" dialogue. Michael Keaton managed to do the raspy voice and pissed off vigilante attitude without looking silly, but Christian Bale is hilarious to watch when he yells in the face of the guy he's about ready to beat down.

Not saying I didn't like the movie, but I couldn't help but chuckle everytime Bale's Batman got angry at someone.
 

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I can find cheese in anything. :D

I'll tell you the cheesiest stuff in the new Batman movie. Everytime he talks to villains he goes overboard on the "I'm Batman and pissed at everyone" dialogue. Michael Keaton managed to do the raspy voice and pissed off vigilante attitude without looking silly, but Christian Bale is hilarious to watch when he yells in the face of the guy he's about ready to beat down.

Not saying I didn't like the movie, but I couldn't help but chuckle everytime Bale's Batman got angry at someone.



Exactly. I loved Batman Begins and it was easily the best superhero movie of all time, but there was cheese even in that movie.


Everytime he had his uniform on his voice sounded like he just sang a heavy metal concert the night before. My gf and I were laughing everytime he talked. That was a bit overdone. He should of only changed his voice when he talked to that chick (forgot her name).
 

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I'm about to watch the trailer. I am a HUGE fan of the superhero movies, so I'll chime in on the major ones (note - this list is in random order, as they come to my head, not in order of greatness):

1) Superman (the Reeves): Watched all these as a kid, religiously. Back then, I thought they were all greatness, though in rewatching 3 and 4 as an adult, I realize why they are skipping those in this sequel. But this was what started it all for me. The John Williams score, the original superhero movie that has been the standard since. I have the second song on the original soundtrack, the strings part for Krypton, on my 'Best Songs' playlist on my IPod, and have for long before the teaser of this film. So imagine my excitement.

I've been following the progression of this film since Nick Cage was rumored to be involved, so to say I am excited is an understatement. I can't believe I am typing this and not watching the trailer.

2) X-Men Movies: As a preteen and early teenager, I used to collect exclusively the X-Men comics. Always thought they were the best in the early nineties during the Comic Boom. I remember being in the theatre, seeing the first trailer, when it showed Wolverine on the Statue of Liberty and all of a sudden his claws came out. I jumped in shock, because fans had been crying for an XMen movie for nearly a decade.

And it was done masterfully - instead of the cheesy blue and gold spandex of the comics, Singer really added some reality into the movie. He aged Magneto with a fantastic actor, he gave Wolverine the limelight as a 3d character, and really even made the far-out powers realistic enough to allow even casual movie goers the ability to suspend reality for a couple of hours.

In fact, the only thing he did that everyone expected was cast Patrick Stewart. I fully expect the last movie to be good, though they seem to be touching on one of my favorite plots in all comic book lore, the Phoenix Saga. I will have to remember that they have to turn that one upside down to make it fly.

3) Batman - the first two were amazing with Burton at the helm, then they got ridiculous. And then, out of nowhere, they resurrected the movie to be even better than the first, in that it was a) so realistic (as far as a comic movie can be) and b) makes it possible to make good sequels. I'm very excited. Bale did a good job, now if he can just take some cough drops.

4) Spiderman - This movie was made for casual comic fans and more mainstream fans, and though it has received more acclaim and popularity, neither has been nearly as good as the three mentioned above. The problem with this one is that they tried so hard to stay true to the comics, which just don't translate well to film. They were fun to watch, and exciting, but they were more summer-blockbuster than the three above. Spiderman just won't be memorable to me as a movie.

5) Daredevil - God-awful movie. Affleck tried, but the script was garbage, the cinematography and coreography just screamed wires. I didn't feel for the characters, it wasn't fun, it was just boring. Best thing that came out of this was the chick from Evanescence.

6) The Hulk - I'm torn on this one. I see where Ang Lee wanted to go, and it was more comic than any of the others, but I never thought it was as bad as everyone said. I thought the CGI was fun. I put it above Daredevil in that I had a good time, but still slightly below Spiderman, if only because the Hulk hasn't been popular since the seventies, and I wasn't alive then.

7) The Fantastic Four - Marvel is determined to put everything they ever printed on film. The Fantastic Four was very close to the comics - it was OK. It was, again, watching a comic on TV. But the problem here is that this movie was made with sequels in mind, or had to be. Because the whole ****** movie was made to show how they get their powers and learned to deal - which is great for 20-30 minutes...but eventually, we want to see them use them

8) The Punisher - This one flew under the radar, mostly because it involved no flash and pizazz like the others. But it actually wasn't bad. It had it's cheeze, but it was OK to watch, too.

9) V for Vendetta - One of the best movies I've seen this year. Not really a comic movie in the mold of the ones above, but it is based on a graphic novel, and was just fun and thought provoking. Probably the best thing I'll ever see that resembles an adaptation of 1984 (and don't mention the movie that was based on the book that, consequentially, starred William Hurt as well - it was garbage and ridiculously bad)

10) Sin City - one of the top 5 movies from 2005. Nuff Said.
 

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Great post, CR. I agree with almost all of it. I liked the Spiderman movies more then you did though, and I HATED the Hulk. Huge disappointment for me.
 

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OK - I just watched the trailer. It was OK, but not what I expected. Not a let down, I just didn't expect to see so much story and action already. In a way, that's exciting.

I can see that they are doing it as a sequel, but I hope that they don't try to tie it too far into the other two. It is obvious that Spacey isn't Hackman, Bosworth isn't Kidder (she's better looking), and Routh isn't Reeve (Reeve looked older to me, but maybe that's because I was a kid).

What I will say - if this 'Ottoman' guy is smart, he'll take his queues and inspiration from John Williams' original score. I know it isn't going to be exacly the same, but he would be smart to keep the theme - lots of movies over the last 30 years owe their success to him.
 

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