Syracuse Asst. Basketball Coach Bernie Fine Fired Amid Allegations *Updated*

[casmith07]

Pandemic in the NCAA?

Syracuse, NY -- Bernie Fine, longtime assistant Syracuse University basketball coach, is being investigated on allegations of child molestation, the Syracuse Police Department confirmed tonight.

"We are in the very early stages of an investigation," Sgt. Tom Connellan said. "Information was brought to us today."

While he confirmed that Fine was being investigated by the police department on allegations of child molestation, Connellan would not comment on who brought the information to police or talk of any part of the investigation.

Read More -> http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/11/assistant_syracuse_university.html

 

[WoodysGirl]

Maybe the Penn State investigation gave the people involved the courage to come forward.

I have NO tolerance for this kinda thing.

 

[Hostile]

Maybe the Penn State investigation gave the people involved the courage to come forward.

I have NO tolerance for this kinda thing.

Nor should you have any tolerance of it. These people are disgusting at best.

 

[VietCowboy]

I'm one of the biggest opponents of child abusers, having worked with the victims, it is heartbreaking, but also know that in a small number of cases, an accused perp could actually be innocent, and I will blame this squarely on parents/overzealous prosecutors.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97726&page=1#.TsXU-sNKOW4

There was a 20/20 show several years ago (with Ceci) that proved it. A child went into the doctor's office, and was just patted on his bellybutton. Later, during an "investigation" the investigator kept asking the child using an anatomically correct doll if the doctor touched him in his private. Several months later, the child was saying that the doctor touched him in his private, even though there was visual evidence that wasn't the case.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1262410204090315491

 

[VietCowboy]

btw, if any parent is interested, I will be happy to email you a pdf and ppt of teaching children what good/bad safe/unsafe touches are. Just PM me your email.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Please wait on this story.

ESPN had the chance to bring this story forward back in 2003 and didn't because they couldn't corroborate any of the story. And guess what? They still cannot corroborate the story...they are just bringing it forward now becasue of the Penn State scandal.

And one thing...Boeheim and Syracuse basketball is not bigger than Syracuse University of the city of Syracuse. Far from it. And in fact, from having met Boeheim on numerous occasions and having a close friend that worked in the SU athletic department, he wouldn't want to be thought of as bigger than the school or the city.

Also, Syracuse...as far as breaking the law goes, has one of the strictest systems for student-athletes now (which is actually considered so unfair that the DA has spoken out against it). And having family and friends that work in the police force throughout the city, I can tell you that not a single one of them would cover this up in fear of hurting SU baskeball. They would never have any fear of SU basketball. Obviously, there may be the rogue case, but I highly doubt it.

Can't say that it's false right now, but can't say it's true either.










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[JBond]

Maybe the Penn State investigation gave the people involved the courage to come forward.

I have NO tolerance for this kinda thing.

Penn State is the beginning, not the end.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Please wait on this story.

ESPN had the chance to bring this story forward back in 2003 and didn't because they couldn't corroborate any of the story. And guess what? They still cannot corroborate the story...they are just bringing it forward now becasue of the Penn State scandal.

And one thing...Boeheim and Syracuse basketball is not bigger than Syracuse University of the city of Syracuse. Far from it. And in fact, from having met Boeheim on numerous occasions and having a close friend that worked in the SU athletic department, he wouldn't want to be thought of as bigger than the school or the city.

Also, Syracuse...as far as breaking the law goes, has one of the strictest systems for student-athletes now (which is actually considered so unfair that the DA has spoken out against it). And having family and friends that work in the police force throughout the city, I can tell you that not a single one of them would cover this up in fear of hurting SU baskeball. They would never have any fear of SU basketball. Obviously, there may be the rogue case, but I highly doubt it.

Can't say that it's false right now, but can't say it's true either.










YR

You jumped all over Penn State, going off half-cocked with limited information, calling for them to cancel the season....

Now it's wait and see?

 

[Yakuza Rich]

You jumped all over Penn State, going off half-cocked with limited information, calling for them to cancel the season....

Now it's wait and see?

Let's see if we can spot the differences. Here, I'll help you along.

1. Sandusky was arrested after a lengthy GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION.

2. I read the actual GRAND JURY REPORT

3. The Grand Jury report had the testimony, UNDER OATH of Paterno, McQueary, Schultz, Curley, the victims, janitors who worked with janitor Calhoun who witnessed Sandusky molesting a boy in the shower.

4. There were 8 different accusers in the GRAND JURY report accusing Sandusky of molesting them.

5. McQueary and those who talked to Calhoun said that they WITNESSED Sandusky molesting a boy.


versus

A. Davis coming forward to the Syracuse Post-Standard about this. Giving the paper people who would supposedly back his claims...which NOBODY did.

B. Davis then going to ESPN and giving them people who would supposedly back his claims...which NOBODY did.

C. Davis then going to the Syracuse police giving them people who would supposedly back his claims...which NOBODY did.

D. The school and Boeheim being made aware of the accusations by the police, then STILL doing a 4-month long investigation of their own and finding that NOBODY would back Davis' claims.

E. ESPN now reporting the story, with Davis' step-brother now backing his claim...even though he had the chance back in 2002, 2003 and 2005 and never did. And...nobody else has backed up these claims.

F. The police are STILL going to re-open the investigation given that Davis' step-brother is backing his story


If you can't see the differences, then you are blind.










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[StanleySpadowski]

Must cost a fortune in Windex to clean your glass house.


If you can't see that you made a rush to judgement then I don't think anyone can help you.

The same can be said for Penn State people who wanted to believe biased reporting and every rumor when Ohio State was going through the tatoo scandal.

The media always gives all the information except when they are reporting on you.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Must cost a fortune in Windex to clean your glass house.


If you can't see that you made a rush to judgement then I don't think anyone can help you.

The same can be said for Penn State people who wanted to believe biased reporting and every rumor when Ohio State was going through the tatoo scandal.

The media always gives all the information except when they are reporting on you.

You are arguments are completely illogical.

I was NOT making a rush to judgment against Penn State.

Why?

Because I read the Grand Jury Report which had testimony of key people like Paterno UNDER OATH.

And when it looked very bad, Paterno and company claimed that they didn't know a thing before 2002. And Paterno and company only kept making themselves look worse every time they spoke.


There's a MAJOR difference between Penn State and Syracuse and you have to be utterly ignorant to not believe the difference. If Sandusky was accused by 1 person and 4 different entities (Post Standard, ESPN, the city Police not affiliated with the University and the school did a legit investigation) and could not get any witnesses or anybody to corroborate and did not have an arrest or a GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION, I couldn't say anything more than what I'm saying about Fine.

And just so you know...

If Fine did indeed do it...they should lock him up and throw away the key.

If Boeheim is found to have been covering it up and there seems like a good chance that the coach's knew about Boeheim...then YES, I would hope that they CANCEL THE REST OF THE SEASON.


Again, sports in college are a privilege, not a right.











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[Cajuncowboy]

Wow! Just wow!

 

[JBond]

Maybe the Penn State investigation gave the people involved the courage to come forward.

I have NO tolerance for this kinda thing.

If there is any good that can come from the Penn State nightmare, this would be it.

As I said in the Penn State threads; what happened there could have happened anywhere.

Hang all of them

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Must cost a fortune in Windex to clean your glass house.


If you can't see that you made a rush to judgement then I don't think anyone can help you.

The same can be said for Penn State people who wanted to believe biased reporting and every rumor when Ohio State was going through the tatoo scandal.

The media always gives all the information except when they are reporting on you.

I personally couldn't care less about Penn State or Syracuse, but this is clearly 2 different situations. While everyone was appalled by Sandusky's actions, the cover-up was almost as bad, because it should've stopped once adults found out.

While it's not clear the degree of guilt for everyone associated with the situation, it's clear there is guilt with everyone from the grad assasistant to the University President.

Here we have a case where it *may* be 1 guy acting without anyone's knowledge. No police were every notified, unlike with Sandusky. No University officials were notified, unlike at Penn State and neither alleged victim (step brothers btw) never informed their parents.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

According to former assistant coach, Tim Welsh, when he was an assistant for 3 years, he shared a room for *every* road with Fine. Welsh was an asst. after the alleged molestation as a ball boy occured according to the accuser (Davis). But, if the asst. coaches were sharing rooms together on the road (definitely plausible), it puts a big hole in Davis' story.

Also, Davis' own mother claims that he never went on big road trips because he's afraid to fly.

The police legally have to re-open the investigation given that Davis' step-brother is now accusing Fine. However, there are already other former ball boys...those who were ball boys with Davis...that are saying that Davis' accusations are lies.

ESPN is more or less hiding behind Davis' step-brother now also accusing Fine . That way they can say 'well, if 1 guy accuses a coach we need proof before we break the story, but since we have 2 guys, we can now report the story.'

My belief is that they'll find that Davis and Lang (step-brother) story's don't add up and are lies. And it will probably force Fine to come out with a public interview and he'll probably wind up burying Davis. My guess...Fine was like a father figure to Davis and Lang and Davis probably..I'm guessing..had some sort of drug or alcohol issue and Fine probably cut him off financially.

The comparisons of Fine and Sandusky are not all that strong. Sandusky was a very revered assistant coach and had multiple opportunities to get high profile HC jobs. Fine's only shot at getting a HC job was at Florida Atlantic a few years ago.

Sandusky has murials of him, Fine is in the SU Hall of Fame, but I can say that nobody I knew ever thought of him as a legendary figure or the 'King of Syracuse' or a 'God.' Maybe on the block he lives on, but elsewhere he was more or less known as Boeheim's right hand man and a likeable guy.






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[The30YardSlant]

I have to admit, it sounds like this guy is full of it. EVERYONE at Syracuse is jumping to his defense and none of the people the supposed victim listed are willing to corroborate his story. This is nothing like the Penn State thing.

 

[Rogah]

You jumped all over Penn State, going off half-cocked with limited information, calling for them to cancel the season....

Now it's wait and see?

There was nothing "half cocked" about going off on Penn State. We had a grand jury sit and investigate for months and months, including the power of subpoena and testimony under oath. Our opinions on Penn State are based on that grand jury's official Findings of Fact.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

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[Stautner]

Maybe the Penn State investigation gave the people involved the courage to come forward.

I have NO tolerance for this kinda thing.

Or maybe the Penn State scandal gave the people involved an idea about how to make money.

Right now we don't know, so nobody should be crucified as yet. If this can be proven there will be time to throw the book at this guy, but for now it is being reported that Syracuse conducted a 4 month investigation and found that all the corroberating witnesses the accusers claimed would back them up said they didn't know what the accussers were talking about, and ESPN chose not to report it because they couldn't find any corroberation for the story. We simply have to let this one play out.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Unfortunately, what ESPN did...which was not investigate Lang's claims (the step-brother of the accuser) may wind up harming the good that the PSU scandal did by getting people to come forward. If Fine is found clearly innocent, now the public starts to think that there are people looking to make a buck and now true victims may be afraid to come over because of the perception that they are making a buck.

Either way, ESPN showed little in the way of ethics on how they handled it. I don't think Mark Schwartz would like it if somebody accused him of rape and somebody at ******** ran with the story saying he's being accused of rape without any investigation, first.

I'm sure that ESPN will hide behind a 'Fine is a public figure' or 'we just reported the accusation' defense. I'm sure their ombudsmen will come out and criticize Schwartz, of course...nobody will care.

Business as usual at Bristol.








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