T-New Stats???

[31smackdown]

Can you give us a breakdown on this by Halves and if we were ahead or behind at the time.

Um... would you like to know what downs the completions were made on as well?

It would be great to know all these stats, but let's not abuse Adam's contributions. If it's something that he somehow has laying around, great but let'd not get too carried away. I already feel like he should be on some sort of payroll.

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[AbeBeta]

Unless T-New starts talking trash and celebrating every good play he makes, he's never going to get the respect he deserves. Most fans are too stupid to realize that good CB play can't be measured exclusively by INTs.

Props to Adam for collecting some more meaningful indicators of performance.

 

[TheHustler]

Fans might not realize it, but opposing QBs, WRs and coaches know he is doing an excellent job.

 

[AdamJT13]

I think stats like this shows exactly how many games that most of the pundits watch. Several are saying Henry is the best defensive player we have, which I find hard to believe when hes not our best CB.

The problem with the beat writers is that they don't watch tapes of the games to figure out what happened. Matt Mosley admitted as much when I e-mailed him after one of his articles a few weeks ago. The only way they'd know how many passes each cornerback allowed is if it showed up on the stat sheet after the game.

 

[AdamJT13]

Fans might not realize it, but opposing QBs, WRs and coaches know he is doing an excellent job.

And the players and coaches are two-thirds of the Pro Bowl vote.

 

[AbeBeta]

The problem with the beat writers is that they don't watch tapes of the games to figure out what happened. Matt Mosley admitted as much when I e-mailed him after one of his articles a few weeks ago. The only way they'd know how many passes each cornerback allowed is if it showed up on the stat sheet after the game.

Kinda shows you how thin the line is between fan and journalist.

This is a symptom of something very wrong with newspapers in the U.S. -- most are owned by a handful of huge corporations who are only interested in profit. Instead of reporting on the actual events -- reporters like Mosley are forced to rely on secondary sources. A little exta money and Mosley can have a part time assistant analyze film, track trends, etc -- and the DMN would have first-class coverage.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And the players and coaches are two-thirds of the Pro Bowl vote.

TNew's going to make the Pro Bowl like Glover did last year, not finishing in the top 10 for fan votes, but being in the tops in player and coach votes

 

[AbeBeta]

And the players and coaches are two-thirds of the Pro Bowl vote.

Players and coaches basically vote for players for life. Some guys make it to a pro-bowl and are treated like Supreme Court Justices -- come on -- how was LA in the probowl the past 2 years?

 

[Established1971]

Players and coaches basically vote for players for life. Some guys make it to a pro-bowl and are treated like Supreme Court Justices -- come on -- how was LA in the probowl the past 2 years?

I was also shocked that third year Coakley made it as an injury replacement. Nguyen had a superior year to Coakley then and was healthy. I'm sure someone just said, oh Coakley's made 2 before, he is good, come on to Hawaii Dexter. And it now looks like Nguyen is never going to make one.

 

[AbeBeta]

I was also shocked that third year Coakley made it as an injury replacement. Nguyen had a superior year to Coakley then and was healthy. I'm sure someone just said, oh Coakley's made 2 before, he is good, come on to Hawaii Dexter. And it now looks like Nguyen is never going to make one.

With Dex I think they figured he had the frequent flier miles already so the trip would be cheaper for the league.

 

[Danny White]

Let's not forget that Glenn is also covering the 3rd reciever the majority of the time...But it is a very good stat.

That's not necessarily true. When Glenn is in, he covers a variety of receivers. Against Philadelphia, he covered TO on a lot of their 3-WR sets and did a fantastic job.

And, as we all know, he was matched up against Santana Moss quite a bit in the Skins game.

Basically, except for those two passes against Washington, Glenn has been really good. If Henry has to miss a game or two, I think he'll fill in admirably.

 

[BHendri5]

Are you on the Staff, and able to see the game film with the guys?

I agree that Newman is good, but I do not agree that he is the best CB on the roster. We've had 3 seasons of watching him, and I have to admit that I'm glad he is not giving up TD's or gettig PIs called on him this season.

 

[AmericasTeam31]

That's not necessarily true. When Glenn is in, he covers a variety of receivers. Against Philadelphia, he covered TO on a lot of their 3-WR sets and did a fantastic job.

And, as we all know, he was matched up against Santana Moss quite a bit in the Skins game.

Basically, except for those two passes against Washington, Glenn has been really good. If Henry has to miss a game or two, I think he'll fill in admirably.

I think Glenn is doing a he!! of a job. I was just saying that he isn't USUALLY covering the best recievers, and isn't playing everydown. He should be a little more fresh than Glenn and TNew. But when he's in there, he's as good as any of them....

 

[Doomsday101]

Are you on the Staff, and able to see the game film with the guys?

I agree that Newman is good, but I do not agree that he is the best CB on the roster. We've had 3 seasons of watching him, and I have to admit that I'm glad he is not giving up TD's or gettig PIs called on him this season.

I think the QB's we have played aginst would argue that fact with you, they are not going after Newman very much which tells me he is taking his man out of the game. I like Henry but Newman is the best CB on this team and it is not that hard to see.

 

[Alexander]

That's not necessarily true. When Glenn is in, he covers a variety of receivers. Against Philadelphia, he covered TO on a lot of their 3-WR sets and did a fantastic job.

And, as we all know, he was matched up against Santana Moss quite a bit in the Skins game.

Basically, except for those two passes against Washington, Glenn has been really good. If Henry has to miss a game or two, I think he'll fill in admirably.

That is one thing to remember before blasting Glenn and lauding Newman.

Glenn stays on the outside and more often than not get matched up on a top flight/starting receiver in long yardage and third down. Newman is the slot corner and occasionally faces the oppositions third receiver. That could account for the vast difference between the number of times he was thrown at.

 

[Danny White]

I think Glenn is doing a he!! of a job. I was just saying that he isn't USUALLY covering the best recievers, and isn't playing everydown. He should be a little more fresh than Glenn and TNew. But when he's in there, he's as good as any of them....

I don't disagree with you... I'm just saying that you might be surprised how much he DOES match up against the other team's #1... also, while he doesn't play every down, he does play on a lot of the "passing" downs.

 

[AdamJT13]

That is one thing to remember before blasting Glenn and lauding Newman.

Glenn stays on the outside and more often than not get matched up on a top flight/starting receiver in long yardage and third down. Newman is the slot corner and occasionally faces the oppositions third receiver. That could account for the vast difference between the number of times he was thrown at.

Teams put one of their top receivers in the slot as often as not. Against the Cardinals, for instance, both of the completions Newman allowed came against slot receivers -- an 8-yarder to Larry Fitzgerald (who nearly knocked Newman's helmet off with a swim move) and a 16-yarder to Anquan Boldin. And Glenn's interception came when he was covering Bryant Johnson, the Cardinals' third receiver. So it's wrong to think Newman catches some kind of break by facing the slot receiver in the nickel.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Shockey made the pro bowl on a year where he played like 7 games.....

 

[Derinyar]

Are you on the Staff, and able to see the game film with the guys?

I agree that Newman is good, but I do not agree that he is the best CB on the roster. We've had 3 seasons of watching him, and I have to admit that I'm glad he is not giving up TD's or gettig PIs called on him this season.

Its simple, teams realize who the best players are on their opponents and decide to go after those players. If they thought Newman was not the best CB on our roster, they would make sure to pick on him. The stats show that Newman is not picked on, and not even thrown on a lot, that says those teams respect him. The fact that they throw more on Henry says that they see Henry as an easier target then Newman.

 

[AbeBeta]

Are you on the Staff, and able to see the game film with the guys?
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I've criticized AdamJT's analyses in the past -- however, he presents some solid evidence here. Newman is being thrown on about half as often as Henry.

Sure, Adam doesn't have access to game film -- but we are seeing the product of game film study borne out in the game plans of opposing teams' offensive coordinators. Unless the opposing offensive coordinators are morons, it would seem unlikely that a gameplan would involve attacking the player perceived as the better CB twice as often.

That teams appear to be staying away from Newman -- and not having a ton of success when they go in his direction - makes a very strong argument for Newman being the best CB on this team.

Of course, for those of you who only read the stats sheets, Henry is going to look much better as he has more picks and PDs.