Tag Deadline March 7th

[thunderpimp91]

You offer LVE $20MM over 3 years and he probably signs tomorrow. 0 chance he gets the tag.

Seems to either be pollard or no one.

 

[jazzcat22]

There is no FA player they have worth tagging. It would be a stupid move. But then again, they aren't the brightest at times.

 

[LatinMind]

It does not matter when the tag window starts, only when it ends.

Def matters when it starts. You can't franchise the 6th.

 

[blueblood70]

Has to be Pollard doesn't it...?

Not if their plan is to completely start from scratch as the RB position easiest to fill with little transition, let pollard walk, get a comp pick, use the 3rd comp pick for a new pollard, malik, and a vet street RB to replace zeke.

or any mix of the above. who know right now this pace did say "dont pay a rb a 2nd deal" we renigging?

 

[blueblood70]

It all depends on the prognosis of that leg. It wasn’t just broken. He had ligament damage as well.

Not pollard, high ankle sprain was remedied with surgery, small fracture, both 100% healed and full go by any off-season activity date for vet mandatory stuff.

 

[fivetwos]

If Wilson has a big market, I’d consider using it on him.

I’d like another season to decide whether committing to him for significant cap dollars is the right move.

Not ready to lose him yet.

 

[SinceDayOne]

Linebackers ready for a second contract (3rd actually for LVE if you count 2022 one year deal) are more valuable than running backs. That is why the tag price is twice for the LB compared to the RB. After the season Vander Esch had last year and if the docs give him a good health report he is likely looking at a two to three year deal somewhere North or South of $15 per season. As I see it the Cowboys have two choices. A tag would be a good move IMO. But the Cowboys may compete for him with others and pay a multi year deal for a bit less the first season. The least option for Dallas would be letting him get away and having a big hole to fill. The did that last year with Cooper and never filled the hole.

 

[Einstein]

Pollard or Wilson are the only two I'd consider, but trying to work a long term deal is the only reason...

 

[jterrell]

How profound you are. So, what is your point for posting this?

That is paper tiger stuff posting this.

No, it isn't.
It was posted here when the first date of the Tag was.
And of course zero happened.

The actual date to watch is March 7th.

 

[Havic]

Pollard will be tagged and this will be his last year with us

 

[jterrell]

Linebackers ready for a second contract (3rd actually for LVE if you count 2022 one year deal) are more valuable than running backs. That is why the tag price is twice for the LB compared to the RB. After the season Vander Esch had last year and if the docs give him a good health report he is likely looking at a two to three year deal somewhere North or South of $15 per season. As I see it the Cowboys have two choices. A tag would be a good move IMO. But the Cowboys may compete for him with others and pay a multi year deal for a bit less the first season. The least option for Dallas would be letting him get away and having a big hole to fill. The did that last year with Cooper and never filled the hole.

No it isn't. Not on it's face anyway.
The LB tag is 20M because it factors in edge pass rushers like TJ Watt and eventually Micah Parsons.

It'd be like RB factoring in Lamar and Hurts because they provide rush yardage too.

As is no one is tagging an offball LB.

 

[jterrell]

Pollard will be tagged and this will be his last year with us

That would be terrible business by Dallas.

I am not paying 10M for a RB coming off major injury whcih zero long term upside to the team.
I'd be far more likely to do a Michael Gallup deal that gave him some security but gave me a benfit longer term with reasonable cap hits going forward.
If I can't get that I'd let him test the market.
He can't even work out for teams yet.

 

[Havic]

That would be terrible business by Dallas.

I am not paying 10M for a RB coming off major injury whcih zero long term upside to the team.
I'd be far more likely to do a Michael Gallup deal that gave him some security but gave me a benfit longer term with reasonable cap hits going forward.
If I can't get that I'd let him test the market.
He can't even work out for teams yet.

A broken leg is not a major injury. But let’s just assume zeke is gone, pollard walks, I really don’t see this team running with Davis and two rookies moving forward.

 

[Vanilla2]

The Cowboys have a history of using the tag a lot. Got to expect them to do it again. Personally I think this year it comes down to either Pollard or LVE. Which ever one looks to be the hardest to resign will get the tag. I think Pollard being a RB and rehabbing a bad injury will be the easiest to resign. I think LVE will have some suitors for his services. Hard to find LB talent and while he is not great Vander Esch is often good and solid.

Top 5(?) average good? Are there any other tag options for LVE?

 

[Adreme]

That is what linebacker cost currently. Good veteran LB start about there. Guys like Wagner cost more. If you let LVE walk then you have a big hole to fill. And on top of that you could already use a good LB to go with LVE. I would rather pay my good LB 20 Million than a limping RB 10 any day.

TJ Watt, Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Bradley Chubb, and Roquan Smith. Those are the LBs making 20m or more per year. LVE is not fit to shine their shoes.

 

[jterrell]

A broken leg is not a major injury. But let’s just assume zeke is gone, pollard walks, I really don’t see this team running with Davis and two rookies moving forward.

So I can break your leg??
My man, what exactly are you talking about? lol.
A broken leg is very serious if not as bad as knee or back. --once fully healed.
It's still a very real concern at a position that takes a pounding.
If nothing else you are losing a full off-season of strength, speed and conditioning work.

I understand the fear of losing all the vet backs.
It is a tough needle to thread.

A. I am asking Zeke to take a very severe pay cut. 1 that makes him salary cap neutral this year. Meaning he essentially costs same whether here or gone this year. -I know Zeke is on borrowed time but this set of circumstances makes willing to keep him one more year as I title chase. Fans take for granted his hort ydarage capabilities even as his explosion has faded.

If he accepts he is my RB2 and short yardage guy
B. I'd offer Tony Pollard that 2nd tier RB money. Say 8M a year for 4 years. BUT with only 10M this year,
Say 8M SB,
year 1 1M workout bonus, 1 mil salary. cp 3.6M
year 2 1M workout bonus, 5M salary. cp 7.6M
year 3 1M workout bonus, 5M salary cp 7.6M
year 4 1M workout bonus, 9M salary cp not gonna see this 11.6M
year 5 void 1.6M dead
If he signs he is my starter.

Realistically, 3 years 22M deal.
C. I am trying to draft a RB I can play as a rookie at least in rotation.
Where in rotation depends on how discussions for A and B go pre-draft.
Worst case I can chase a vet in free agency.

 

[Rayman70]

rather not tag anyone.

 

[blueblood70]

So I can break your leg??
My man, what exactly are you talking about? lol.
A broken leg is very serious if not as bad as knee or back. --once fully healed.
It's still a very real concern at a position that takes a pounding.
If nothing else you are losing a full off-season of strength, speed and conditioning work.

I understand the fear of losing all the vet backs.
It is a tough needle to thread.

A. I am asking Zeke to take a very severe pay cut. 1 that makes him salary cap neutral this year. Meaning he essentially costs same whether here or gone this year. -I know Zeke is on borrowed time but this set of circumstances makes willing to keep him one more year as I title chase. Fans take for granted his hort ydarage capabilities even as his explosion has faded.

If he accepts he is my RB2 and short yardage guy
B. I'd offer Tony Pollard that 2nd tier RB money. Say 8M a year for 4 years. BUT with only 10M this year,
Say 8M SB,
year 1 1M workout bonus, 1 mil salary. cp 3.6M
year 2 1M workout bonus, 5M salary. cp 7.6M
year 3 1M workout bonus, 5M salary cp 7.6M
year 4 1M workout bonus, 9M salary cp not gonna see this 11.6M
year 5 void 1.6M dead
If he signs he is my starter.

Realistically, 3 years 22M deal.
C. I am trying to draft a RB I can play as a rookie at least in rotation.
Where in rotation depends on how discussions for A and B go pre-draft.
Worst case I can chase a vet in free agency.

it was a fracture not a break. Both not serious being the last game of the year its 10 weeks at most to heal..in season its a 4 game injury the high ankle sprain was far worse that 6 game injury but neither will effect his off season programs or TC, not at all , no set backs no ill effects.

nut im on board with those hypotheticals.

 

[jterrell]

it was a fracture not a break. Both not serious being the last game of the year its 10 weeks at most to heal..in season its a 4 game injury the high ankle sprain was far worse that 6 game injury but neither will effect his off season programs or TC, not at all , no set backs no ill effects.

nut im on board with those hypotheticals.

According to NFL Network, the expected recovery time will be around three months, which should have him ready for portions of the offseason program.
Note Surgery was late January.
That means late April to start serious rehab stuff.

Then you must build conditioning.

That is a major delay of the regular off-season and puts him back in in play for more in pre-season area.
Free Agency starts March 15th.
Pollard is scheduled to be back around the NFL Draft in late April.

NFL is a messy business.
But A: I am not committing franchise dollars to a RB that is not 100% today.
B: Likely won't be at start of free agency.

I fully expect Pollard to be fine this season but their could be issues as Gallup faced coming back from injury and not getting a standard off-season.
I do not want to pay 10M for an 85% Pollard. --unless that 85% season buys me 2 more years of his rights.

 

[SinceDayOne]

According to NFL Network, the expected recovery time will be around three months, which should have him ready for portions of the offseason program.
Note Surgery was late January.
That means late April to start serious rehab stuff.

Then you must build conditioning.

That is a major delay of the regular off-season and puts him back in in play for more in pre-season area.
Free Agency starts March 15th.
Pollard is scheduled to be back around the NFL Draft in late April.

NFL is a messy business.
But A: I am not committing franchise dollars to a RB that is not 100% today.
B: Likely won't be at start of free agency.

I fully expect Pollard to be fine this season but their could be issues as Gallup faced coming back from injury and not getting a standard off-season.
I do not want to pay 10M for an 85% Pollard. --unless that 85% season buys me 2 more years of his rights.

He will certainly recover to the level that a regular/normal man his age would. Medically the docs would call it a complete full recovery. BUT will he be the pro bowl type athlete he was before the injury or will he have trouble reaching that level? No one knows that answer until he tries going full speed on the field. Also there is always the risk of a player being somewhat hesitant mentally after a serious injury. I wish Tony Pollard all the best. I hope he does come all the way back. However, I too think the smart move is to sign him if possible and forget the tag. No more than 13-14M on a two year deal and certainly no longer than two years. That is a fair deal for the player and somewhat of a risk for the team.