Take a QB and still compete Mock

gmoney112

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Do whatever we can to open up cap space. If we actually want to plan for the future, take a QB first, and want to compete in Romo's last years. Defense my dudes.

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Hedge bets. Hardy + Mo one year deals. I guess I'd try and get McClain as well, begrudgingly.

Trumaine Johnson. Closest thing to Peanut Tillman that Rod had in Chicago. Excels in off man and Cover 2. Shut down CJ which Tillman used to do. A real #1 corner and a scheme fit. Bye Carr.

Ian Williams/Jaye Howard/Brandon Mebane/etc. A true DT. Don't need to explain this one. Just getting improved run defense in the middle will improve this unit as a whole.

Lamar Miller. Young/talented guy. Not too expensive. Plug n play.

Draft
1. Wentz/Goff. Yep.
2. William Jackson CB. A big, athletic CB that forces turnovers. Teamed with Trumaine, we might have the biggest, most athletic outside corner duo in the league and they both force turnovers.
3. Deion Jones LB - "undersized", but the guy can play. Supposedly faster than Kwon Alexander. I think he's better than Telvin Smith. Could be very productive at Will. Move Lee to MLB. McClain/Hitchens as depth. McClain in as a SAM could be interesting.
4. Javon Hargrave DT. Smaller school but this guy has some crazy production. Last I saw he was about 290, so he could bulk a bit. But, 37 sacks and over 60 tackles for a loss in college shows potential. Rotate him in and by year 3 I think he'll be a really good player.
4b. WR, just not sure who. There's going to be some guys here to choose from. I'd like a guy with speed, but who knows. Braylon Addison, Geronimo Allison?
6. Kevin Byard SS. Came from a smaller school, but he forced a lot of turnovers. The 6th is a crapshoot but I like his potential to compete at SS, and I'm targetting secondary players that can play the ball.

Go me.
 

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Trumaine Johnson/William Jackson III/Scandrick manning the corner positions sounds good to me. If were to wait til the 3rd rd to draft a LB I think I would like Matakevich if he is still on the board. He is one of my favorite players in this draft. Generally I like what you have done but it looks like a lot of FA spending.

Hardy, Mo, Mcclain, Trumaine Johnson, DT, Lamar Miller.

I am not in favor of QB at 4 but if we could sign all those FA's I guess I would be on board.
 

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I like your line of thinking, but I think it's kind of humorous to assume every year we are going to get guys on one year deals. Hardy will get multi-year offers from teams. I don't care what sort of baggage he has. Mo looked like a solid #2 in 2015, he's not taking a one year deal unless he gets franchised.

I like Trumaine Johnson, but for my money I like Casey Hayward more. People keep throwing out Lamar Miller, but I just don't see him as a zone, one-cut back. He does a lot of dancing which is the worst thing in this scheme. I'd honestly rather stick with DMC, Robert Turbin and draft someone in the middle rounds. Not a fan of Deion Jones at all, really, I would rather have Morrison III.
 

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change to title to "take a QB To compete and stay relevant"
 

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I like your line of thinking, but I think it's kind of humorous to assume every year we are going to get guys on one year deals. Hardy will get multi-year offers from teams. I don't care what sort of baggage he has. Mo looked like a solid #2 in 2015, he's not taking a one year deal unless he gets franchised.

I like Trumaine Johnson, but for my money I like Casey Hayward more. People keep throwing out Lamar Miller, but I just don't see him as a zone, one-cut back. He does a lot of dancing which is the worst thing in this scheme. I'd honestly rather stick with DMC, Robert Turbin and draft someone in the middle rounds. Not a fan of Deion Jones at all, really, I would rather have Morrison III.

Respect your opinions, can see your point.

I think of the 2, Mo is released. Hardy will get multiple offers, but if he's willing to bet on himself again like he did on the incentive deal, a great year in production with no headlines could make a significant difference with his next contract, the "big one", after of which he'll probably be 32-33. Hitting the FA market after a great year and proving to be low key, as opposed to this year, could potentially be very beneficial. 10-20 mill and probably an extra year on a deal. He'd just turn 29 after the end of the 2017 season. He turns in a 14 sack season with no eyes on him, he'd probably get Mario Williams money. He wouldn't exactly be getting paid peanuts in Dallas either. I can see it both ways.

Mo could use an extra year but he's probably gone. I'd like to keep him as insurance in the draft but it's doubtful.

I like Lamar. I think he danced a lot because his OL was atrocious, one of the worst in the NFL. They might have been the worst run blocking unit in the league. PFF is hit or miss, but their OL rankings are generally semi accurate. Dolphins graded out only better than San Diego, just because of pass blocking. Miami was rated last in run blocking. I think he could be extremely productive behind this line. He's not a tier 1 back, but in Dallas he might lead the league in rushing. I also don't want to feel obligated to take a RB out of need in the draft. This draft is lacking in top talent, but it's deep, especially on defense. If I can plug n play a position like RB with a pretty good talent that isn't breaking the bank, so I can then fford to draft BPA then I don't hesitate.

I like Heyward as a cheaper option but I don't think he's on Trumaines level. He played mostly in the slot this year, started 13 games, and had 0 picks. Trumaine lined up outside and forced 8 turnovers with 7 picks. He benefited from having Janoris on the other side, but against Det he matched up against CJ who had one catch against him, and he supposedly put in a ton of work last off-season to elevate his game. He also excels in off man and zone. A young, hardworking CB with his size who can line up outside and just makes plays. If I'm spending in FA, that's who I'm targetting. Just my opinion though.

I think Deion is a prototypical Will for the new era of football, like Telvin. If we want to be innovative in certain packages we can use him as a "moneybacker" like the Cardinals use Buchannon who is also similar. Both guys have had a lot of success. Senior Bowl reports raved about his speed, lateral ability, and coverage. A player who played LB in the SEC and is faster than most safeties is increasingly becoming more important with the emphasis on incorporating more nickel, big dime packages. The only knock on him were correctable things that probably came from experience, having to sit behind LSU's linebackers until they left.

That being said, I fully don't expect us to do any of this.
 

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J.Jones has a history of getting holes plugged before draft, so not that far fetched, however... maybe 1 splash player, but with cap room all your moves make sense and would be Bronco'esque to make a run now.

Not with you on moving Lee back to MLB. Start the year with Hitchens there, and use your 3rd round pick on Scoby Wright of U of Az---a instinctive football player at MLB.---just makes plays

If Wentz specs out to McClay as worthy------take him and get him ready.

I look at the trajectory of Wentz vrs. Goff. Wentz 1 yr at H.school, college............his trajectory is on a 45 degree angle with no ballistic drop in sight on abilty to add to his skill set..........
 

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I don't think we will be able to pry Trumaine Johnson from the Rams. I would love to have him but i think Janoris Jenkins would be easier to get (neither will come cheap). Trumaine's size is just to valuable for the Rams to let go. He had a break out season and showed he is play maker. Jenkins had a down year.
 

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I don't think we will be able to pry Trumaine Johnson from the Rams. I would love to have him but i think Janoris Jenkins would be easier to get (neither will come cheap). Trumaine's size is just to valuable for the Rams to let go. He had a break out season and showed he is play maker. Jenkins had a down year.

You're not wrong. If they do take Johnson, Jenkins isn't a bad consolation prize. The guy has great instincts and has the speed Johnson doesn't.

I forgot to put this in the original post but, if Mo isn't resigned, im signing Tillman to a one year deal for cheap. He has an injury history and he's old, but be stepped up for the Panthers this year. A one year deal worth 1.5-2 mill would be a great insurance policy. He is solid depth and can start if needed. Hell, he might actually be better than Carr at this point.
 

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Lamar miller not too expensive?

He'll be the highest paid FA running back

He won't be cheap
 

gmoney112

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Lamar miller not too expensive?

He'll be the highest paid FA running back

He won't be cheap

Highest paid FA RB compared to who? There isn't going to be another team coughing up dough for a 2nd tier rb after the abysmal failure the Eagles had with Murray, and Miller isn't a Peterson, McCoy, Charles talent.

Lamar will get about 5 mill a year. That's not crazy money to solidify a position with some actual talent.
 

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Gmoney I like your plans.
I would add an early WR like Shepard in the draft, which I think is a desperate need.
 

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Do whatever we can to open up cap space. If we actually want to plan for the future, take a QB first, and want to compete in Romo's last years. Defense my dudes.

FA:
Hedge bets. Hardy + Mo one year deals. I guess I'd try and get McClain as well, begrudgingly.

Trumaine Johnson. Closest thing to Peanut Tillman that Rod had in Chicago. Excels in off man and Cover 2. Shut down CJ which Tillman used to do. A real #1 corner and a scheme fit. Bye Carr.

Ian Williams/Jaye Howard/Brandon Mebane/etc. A true DT. Don't need to explain this one. Just getting improved run defense in the middle will improve this unit as a whole.

Lamar Miller. Young/talented guy. Not too expensive. Plug n play.

Draft
1. Wentz/Goff. Yep.
2. William Jackson CB. A big, athletic CB that forces turnovers. Teamed with Trumaine, we might have the biggest, most athletic outside corner duo in the league and they both force turnovers.
3. Deion Jones LB - "undersized", but the guy can play. Supposedly faster than Kwon Alexander. I think he's better than Telvin Smith. Could be very productive at Will. Move Lee to MLB. McClain/Hitchens as depth. McClain in as a SAM could be interesting.
4. Javon Hargrave DT. Smaller school but this guy has some crazy production. Last I saw he was about 290, so he could bulk a bit. But, 37 sacks and over 60 tackles for a loss in college shows potential. Rotate him in and by year 3 I think he'll be a really good player.
4b. WR, just not sure who. There's going to be some guys here to choose from. I'd like a guy with speed, but who knows. Braylon Addison, Geronimo Allison?
6. Kevin Byard SS. Came from a smaller school, but he forced a lot of turnovers. The 6th is a crapshoot but I like his potential to compete at SS, and I'm targetting secondary players that can play the ball.

Go me.

Jackson is looking like he could be a mid first, but Kendell Fuller should be there at that spot
 

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Highest paid FA RB compared to who? There isn't going to be another team coughing up dough for a 2nd tier rb after the abysmal failure the Eagles had with Murray, and Miller isn't a Peterson, McCoy, Charles talent.

Lamar will get about 5 mill a year. That's not crazy money to solidify a position with some actual talent.

I don't think there is any chance Miller only gets 5 million per. I put him between 6-8m. He's too versatile and too good of a receiver. Someone is going to give him feature back money.

Also, Murray's 2015 season really has no bearing because he significantly older and was in Chip Kelly's abortion of an offense. You also have to factor in the inflation per position we see every season. If Miller was worth 5 million/year in 2015, he'll easily get 6m/yr in 2016.
 

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I don't think there is any chance Miller only gets 5 million per. I put him between 6-8m. He's too versatile and too good of a receiver. Someone is going to give him feature back money.

Also, Murray's 2015 season really has no bearing because he significantly older and was in Chip Kelly's abortion of an offense. You also have to factor in the inflation per position we see every season. If Miller was worth 5 million/year in 2015, he'll easily get 6m/yr in 2016.

I disagree. Murray's deal and lack of production will have an adverse effect on this year's free agents. And CJ Spiller bombing in New Orleans will make teams wary as well.

I also believe that it will work to Dallas' advantage having this offensive line. Running backs know they're set up to do well here.
 
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