Takk McKinley to visit Star

[Risen Star]

It has nothing to do with need.

It is about using resources wisely and prioritizing the value of contribution.

A player sitting on the bench for half a year recovering from injury and then starting to work on technique is the definition of luxury.

Would be talking about the same thing if the player were at any position, not just one where there is very little talent.

What you're saying is you value immediate contribution, which has to be at a need position otherwise they don't get on the field right away, over long term potential.

You're drafting for 2017 with no long term vision.

I just don't and won't ever agree with it. If my scouts are telling me McKinley will be a better player in year 3 than Charles Harris then he's the pick and not Harris.

 

[Risen Star]

Oh I don't necessarily disagree.

I have an issue with how the front office has approached free agency. They've put themselves in a situation where they have to come out of this draft with some defensive backs and a defensive end for sure. I think that can color their draft board.

The worst thing they can do is react to a poor FA period by messing up their draft. They have to stick to their board and accept you're not going to address every hole in this team with 7 picks. Not happening even if you did draft for need. So draft talent. You'll be less needy in the long run.

 

[tm1119]

That's your evaluation of him and has nothing to do with what I said. "Can't be patient" is a terrible way to determine picks. It's draft for need. Show me the player in this draft that doesn't need to develop. They're college kids.

My only hesitation with McKinley is whether he can be as good as a 4-3 end than he could be a 3-4 OLB where I think he'd be a terror. The last thing I want is for the Steelers or Packers to get this kid.

Needing to develop and needing to completely learn the position are 2 different things.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Cleveland is going to scoop up Cook real quick

 

[reddyuta]

If we are going for pass rushers with injury history I would go with Lawson first, he has the 2nd best pass rush skills in the draft.

 

[tyke1doe]

It has nothing to do with need.

It is about using resources wisely and prioritizing the value of contribution.

A player sitting on the bench for half a year recovering from injury and then starting to work on technique is the definition of luxury.

Would be talking about the same thing if the player were at any position, not just one where there is very little talent.

We've had our share of Jaylon Smith's, Randy Gregory's and Ro McClain's - talented guys we're waiting on because of personal issues, drug addiction or injury.

We can't afford to draft guys who can't contribute this year. We've done that, and that strategy hasn't served us well.

We need availability not potential availability down the line. That rules out Sidney Jones and Takk in the first three rounds.

 

[darthseinfeld]

McKInley's getting the Dontari Poe/Joey Bosa treatment on this board where now everyone unites behind the idea he'd be a terrible pick. Except he's a really, really good player who will probably shine in the NFL like the other two.

Im not as high on McKinley after the combine but he checks one box that I absolutely LOVE in lineman. He plays like his hair is in fire. Thats why I was high on Danielle Hunter. Guys like that make plays period

 

[gmoney112]

We've had our share of Jaylon Smith's, Randy Gregory's and Ro McClain's - talented guys we're waiting on because of personal issues, drug addiction or injury.

We can't afford to draft guys who can't contribute this year. We've done that, and that strategy hasn't served us well.

We need availability not potential availability down the line. That rules out Sidney Jones and Takk in the first three rounds.

I mean, McKinley is going to play this year. He's probably going to get a lot of snaps for somebody. A torn labrum isn't that bad, pretty standard stuff.

Randy Gregory had drug issues, Jaylon had an injury where he might never play again. You're comparing that to a guy who might have to be on PUP but will be fully healthy by the end of that.

I'm not willing to trade better talent for half a regular season in his rookie year. Chances are good that a rookie DE isn't going to do much his first year anyway.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Is this the first visit leak

 

[gmoney112]

Is this the first visit leak

I think so.

 

[RS12]

That rules out Sidney Jones and Takk in the first three rounds.

Dont bet on it. The fact that McKinley is coming for a visit says they are strongly considering him. The fact that Jaylon Smith got taken at 34 tells you anything is possible with this FO. I will be curious to see if Sidney Jones gets a visit, I am not kidding.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

We've had our share of Jaylon Smith's, Randy Gregory's and Ro McClain's - talented guys we're waiting on because of personal issues, drug addiction or injury.

We can't afford to draft guys who can't contribute this year. We've done that, and that strategy hasn't served us well.

We need availability not potential availability down the line. That rules out Sidney Jones and Takk in the first three rounds.

I don't have a problem with drafting injured guys you know are gonna miss their entire rookie season. If you can get an All Pro player but have to wait a year I think it's worth it. The problem with the 3 guys you mentioned (Smith, Gregory, McClain) is that there were serious questions about if they'd ever play in the NFL. And currently, McClain's career looks finished (again), Gregory's will be finished if he isn't a choir boy these next 2 years, and Smith's nerve may not ever fire. That's a lot different than drafting someone who tore their ACL and will miss their rookie season.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Dont bet on it. The fact that McKinley is coming for a visit says they are strongly considering him. The fact that Jaylon Smith got taken at 34 tells you anything is possible with this FO. I will be curious to see if Sidney Jones gets a visit, I am not kidding.

Did Smith get a visit?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Takk would likely miss all of camp, but should be ready for the regular season. Or at least the early part of the season.

Not optimal, but Maliek Collins missed camp so its not nearly a redshirt senario. Takk would contribute in 2017

 

[rambo2]

I like Mckinnley but this will be a red shirt year for him with his injury,not sure we can afford for our 1st rd to basically be a non factor his first season.

No, he should be able to play this year.

 

[rambo2]

McKinley is one of my guys at 28. I don't think he's put it all together yet. But the tools are there, and no one questions his effort. That's a pretty good bet that late into the first round.

The injury sucks though.

I like him a lot. He made my list. He is a player with a motor who gives 100% all of the time. He is a motivated guy who takes it seriously. I think that he is a real possibility at 28. He is still learning the position and has a lot of upside. Right now he is on my possible list at 28 with Peppers, Conley, A. Jackson, Ross, Njoku, Forrest Lamp, and McCaffrey.

 

[rambo2]

If he ends up being the choice at 28, I would be very disappointed.

Why?

 

[rambo2]

McKInley's getting the Dontari Poe/Joey Bosa treatment on this board where now everyone unites behind the idea he'd be a terrible pick. Except he's a really, really good player who will probably shine in the NFL like the other two.

The only thing that I can see stopping him from being a top player is another injury. He has the desire to be a great one.

 

[rambo2]

You don't draft a player in the 1st round with no discernible skills for the position. There is 0 evidence of him using his hands like an actual pass rusher or any real pass rush moves. Nor is he capable of bending like a speed rusher should be able to. Basically he has the size, straight line speed of a rusher, and a motor but nothing else

He is learning and he has the desire to learn and improve.

 

[rambo2]

You don't draft a player in the 1st round with no discernible skills for the position. There is 0 evidence of him using his hands like an actual pass rusher or any real pass rush moves. Nor is he capable of bending like a speed rusher should be able to. Basically he has the size, straight line speed of a rusher, and a motor but nothing else

He has something or they would not be bringing him in to be a possible pick at 28.