Talent vs non-talent

[Hawkeye0202]

I'm not defending Jerry but I'm not sure we've ever seen this many changes in one off-season but guess what: we are still worse off than when MM was here two years ago. It's crazy to add these changes to the talent we already had and still struggle to have a winning season.

 

[ICP]

Poor coaching and no accountability.A GM that has no idea how to build a winner. Idiots getting penalized for running down the field in street clothes and celebrating after the game like they won the Super Bowl. Take your pick but it's what the Dallas Clownboys have become

 

[CWR]

Its a lack of investment at the head coaching position. You can add all kinds of talent, but when the team is led by a moron this is what happens. As per usual Jerry did half his job and mailed in the rest. He deserves the criticism.

 

[Jarntt]

We have definitely upgraded the talent, but we had a long long way to go so even with some of those upgrades we aren't nearly good enough. I don't care about short term vets that we bring in or late crap shoot draft picks. Those are hit and miss and randomly part of your future or not. My biggest worry is Lawrence. I didn't like the pick on draft day and don't love what I have seen so far. We can't miss on those 1st rounders. That being said I expected a red shirt year for him this year so I'm certainly not writing him off or stating he will be in the future what we have seen so far, but I wish we saw a little more in the way of splash play potential. Right now he is little different than EZ and at least in my opinion, EZ showed more potential year 1 and as we can see he still isn't what we were hoping this year either. We still need help at all 3 levels on defense - a pass rusher, 2 LBers that can tackle and a starting CB. The poor coaching makes it worse.

 

[phildadon86]

We have definitely upgraded the talent, but we had a long long way to go so even with some of those upgrades we aren't nearly good enough. I don't care about short term vets that we bring in or late crap shoot draft picks. Those are hit and miss and randomly part of your future or not. My biggest worry is Lawrence. I didn't like the pick on draft day and don't love what I have seen so far. We can't miss on those 1st rounders. That being said I expected a red shirt year for him this year so I'm certainly not writing him off or stating he will be in the future what we have seen so far, but I wish we saw a little more in the way of splash play potential. Right now he is little different than EZ and at least in my opinion, EZ showed more potential year 1 and as we can see he still isn't what we were hoping this year either. We still need help at all 3 levels on defense - a pass rusher, 2 LBers that can tackle and a starting CB. The poor coaching makes it worse.

LOL. Talent is there?

Where exactly?

The only real talent this team has on defense is Q, and Porter. Literally everyone else is average.

 

[Rayman70]

We aren't very talented on d. Worse, not very smart between the ears. We have players that clearly don't mentally understand the game and lack instincts. What makes a player a dawg is when they have the high fb IQ to go along with instincts and talent. It marries together. I don't see anybody on defense yet in that category outside of Quinnen Williams. Maybe Barham and Downs but I think Barham must play to bring it out. Get that dude on the field more. Can Downs play well against elite competition? We are about to see. But largely, we are a wayward defense searching for an identity. This is on will mcclay, Schotty and CP.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Who cares? Everything the Cowboys bought has gotten them 4 wins. From this list the only true needle movers are Q and JPJ.....not to mention Q was a 2025 addition.

No need to buy or sell guys, we can just run it back again in 2027 and things will be better because Jerry says so.

 

[Coogiguy03]

This team has talent on paper, on grass they're azz!!!!

 

[CATCH17]

Dallas has a culture problem right now.

Overshown running on the field like he did was our culture at its peak.


Schottenheimer had really nice schemes last year too and now he’s decided to get rid of motion, he’s boxed them in, and the offense lacks.

The defense plays with a giant hole in the middle of it & Bland or Locke give up big plays whenever the offense gives them an opportunity to breathe.

Dallas needs a butt kicker that is detail oriented.

Schotty has lost the team because he has no answers.

 

[Jarntt]

LOL. Talent is there?

Where exactly?

The only real talent this team has on defense is Q, and Porter. Literally everyone else is average.

who said the bolded?

I said it was upgraded, if you can't see that through your agenda, I can't help you. Some of you are so driven to just make these same dumb comments over and over that you don't even read what you respond to and you can't see beyond your whiny everything sucks agenda. My actual comment:

"We have definitely upgraded the talent, but we had a long long way to go so even with some of those upgrades we aren't nearly good enough."

 

[phildadon86]

who said the bolded?

I said it was upgraded, if you can't see that through your agenda, I can't help you. Some of you are so driven to just make these same dumb comments over and over that you don't even read what you respond to and you can't see beyond your whiny everything sucks agenda. My actual comment:

"We have definitely upgraded the talent, but we had a long long way to go so even with some of those upgrades we aren't nearly good enough."

OK.

Where did we upgrade the talent?

Anyone with any knowledge of this sport knew Gary was washed, Clark was washed, Lawrence was a project, EZ wasnt that great except at getting pressure, and our LBs were the worst group in the NFL.

So again. Where did we upgrade?

Its not an agenda as much as you want to believe it is because that's a buzz word nowadays.

Its just reality.

Jerry painted a pretty little picture on paper, you all believed it, called out anyone who didn't believe it, and are now trying to slowly backtrack as you realize how wrong you were.

 

[blueblood70]

I'm not defending Jerry but I'm not sure we've ever seen this many changes in one off-season but guess what: we are still worse off than when MM was here two years ago. It's crazy to add these changes to the talent we already had and still struggle to have a winning season.

How do you figure they're worse off? I'm trying to figure out what that really means. In 2024 was a bad season. I get it. We lost Prescott, but those first five games before Prescott got hurt, I can't remember what game it was. They couldn't do anything right. They used the wrong running back. They picked Zeke over Rico. They couldn't move. They couldn't block. They couldn't do anything on offense at all. And then the defense was equally as horrible. And even though I believe they got a few things on track later in the year. Wasn't that? A long season? I'm pretty sure they had a losing season because of what? Mainly the defense, right? Zimmer, they got some guys back late, played a little bit better. But let's not forget. 2023 ended embarrassingly, they were. Boat raced down the field, up and down, up and down. Mike Mccarthy should have been fired then. But I was OK with give him another year, but that first four or five games of the year showed that he was not. Focused on winning whatever was going on. They were horrible. Do you not remember the Saints game? Have we had a year game like that this year? I mean, they embarrassed us, the Saints, I mean, we have may have lost some games this year. They were close games. We nearly beat the Ravens. We should have beat. Tampa Bay or. For sure we had. The Cardinals beat. We put up 30 points. So yeah, I mean, other than the Green Bay game that we felt completely out of it, but that's not new. I mean, Mike Mccarthy blew leads here while he was here. You don't remember those two road games in Jacksonville and the Packers where they were leading in the 4th quarter and blew those games. So how are we worse off? His last season here, just like his first season where bookend embarrassments..

Here's the difference Brian Schottenheimer has been. Really good. On his side of the ball with the offense been scoring a lot of points, but once again, imagine Mike Mccarthy with two years of Mike Nolan versus one. I keep telling you all this, yes. Mike Mccartney had three good years when Dan Quinn was handing him short fields and extra points. I don't think you understand how the defense was helping Mike Mccarthy a lot. And I like him. Maybe he would have been a better option, but was he going through a complete changeover on defense? Two years in a row. To a 34 this year from a 43 and all the injuries, that's the difference. Brian Schottenheimer was handed a dud and they're trying to dig their way out. Mike Mccarthy got lucky that Jerry made him fire might know, and Jerry hired Dan Quinn. That was Jerry's man. And they got it turned around in one offseason, which was luck.,

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

The way I look at it. We may not have the talent to win a SB, but we have the talent to easly win the NFCE. So why aren't we winning this crap division? Based on our schedule so far, we easily could have been 6-3 or even 7-2.

Poor coaching, inconsistent play are the biggest factors.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Here's the difference Brian Schottenheimer has been. Really good. On his side of the ball with the offense been scoring a lot of points

A head coach doesnt have a side of the ball, they have the team.

 

[LouBrown]

Nope.

All they did this offseason was spend the cash that was allocated to players who became FAs last year.

 

[Jarntt]

OK.

Where did we upgrade the talent?

Anyone with any knowledge of this sport knew Gary was washed, Clark was washed, Lawrence was a project, EZ wasnt that great except at getting pressure, and our LBs were the worst group in the NFL.

So again. Where did we upgrade?

Its not an agenda as much as you want to believe it is because that's a buzz word nowadays.

Its just reality.

Jerry painted a pretty little picture on paper, you all believed it, called out anyone who didn't believe it, and are now trying to slowly backtrack as you realize how wrong you were.

I'm not sure you understand the term upgrade. Is that the issue? You even pointed out Q and JPJ!!! Start with them and you can even end with them and there is your upgrade.
Downs and Thompson vs Hooker and Donovan Wilson
Anyone including our current crappy guys are better than Sanborn and Murray
Clark isn't great and has been here since the beginning of 2025, but if you are going to use him, the previous player was Mazi. That's not an upgrade?
Gary stinks, but Sam Williams was worse
Durant vs Diggs?

Again, you are just 100% flat our wrong saying the talent isn't upgraded. They still aren't good as I stated, but that wasn't the topic.

 

[phildadon86]

I'm not sure you understand the term upgrade. Is that the issue? You even pointed out Q and JPJ!!! Start with them and you can even end with them and there is your upgrade.
Downs and Thompson vs Hooker and Donovan Wilson
Anyone including our current crappy guys are better than Sanborn and Murray
Clark isn't great and has been here since the beginning of 2025, but if you are going to use him, the previous player was Mazi. That's not an upgrade?
Gary stinks, but Sam Williams was worse
Durant vs Diggs?

Again, you are just 100% flat our wrong saying the talent isn't upgraded. They still aren't good as I stated, but that wasn't the topic.

Durant vs Diggs - Same.
Gary vs Sam Williams - Same (including the dumb penalties)
Clark has done 0 so him and Mazi are the same
Sanborn and Murray ok Barham is better
Downs is a stud Thomson as of right now is a waste of money
And Q was already here so no upgrade there. Porter has played in what. 1 game? Hes talented. When he plays yes.

So there you go.

Again. My definition of upgrade must be different than yours.

I dont give players passes because they have a name. I do it based on play on the field.

This is the problem. You see a name and think its an upgrade. I see a name and look at how they play.

Gary vs Williams just told me everything I needed to hear about your definition of an upgrade.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm not sure you understand the term upgrade. Is that the issue? You even pointed out Q and JPJ!!! Start with them and you can even end with them and there is your upgrade.
Downs and Thompson vs Hooker and Donovan Wilson
Anyone including our current crappy guys are better than Sanborn and Murray
Clark isn't great and has been here since the beginning of 2025, but if you are going to use him, the previous player was Mazi. That's not an upgrade?
Gary stinks, but Sam Williams was worse
Durant vs Diggs?

Again, you are just 100% flat our wrong saying the talent isn't upgraded. They still aren't good as I stated, but that wasn't the topic.

Yep, it's truly remarkable the team that Jerry has assembled. Hes taken us all the way from worst defense in the league to 2nd worst defense in the league. Progress!

 

[Jarntt]

Durant vs Diggs - Same.
Gary vs Sam Williams - Same (including the dumb penalties)
Clark has done 0 so him and Mazi are the same
Sanborn and Murray ok Barham is better
Downs is a stud Thomson as of right now is a waste of money
And Q was already here so no upgrade there. Porter has played in what. 1 game? Hes talented. When he plays yes.

So there you go.

Again. My definition of upgrade must be different than yours.

I dont give players passes because they have a name. I do it based on play on the field.

This is the problem. You see a name and think its an upgrade. I see a name and look at how they play.

Gary vs Williams just told me everything I needed to hear about your definition of an upgrade.

I stopped at the bolded. That's just so far beyond moronic that it shows there isn't a rational discussion to be had here and rather just someone trying to further an agenda

 

[Jarntt]

Yep, it's truly remarkable the team that Jerry has assembled. Hes taken us all the way from worst defense in the league to 2nd worst defense in the league. Progress!

Actually, IMO we are still the worst defense in the league, but that isn't the topic I was engaged in. Again, if you don't see that certain players have been upgraded it's because you don't want to.