Talent?

[TellerMorrow34]

First I do agree with the idea behind the OP. Talent doesn't win you anything. It takes the whole thing, not just talent. I agree.

But this is the NFL so everyone is talented otherwise they would of not made it there. Some are more talented than others clearly however, talent alone is not enough to produce wins nor is it a reason for us to claim wins over of teams. Nor can we just get by on talent alone.



You must of skipped the monday night game but ya know don't let facts get in the way of an agenda amirite?

You must have skipped the part where thats the first time in his entire career, thus far, where he's accomplished anything. And lets not forget it was against the chargers defense which hasn't exactly been stingy in giving up yards and points this year.

I'd like to see him do it on more than one game before I annoint him an amazing back who should have been drafted instead.

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Nice try at deflection. Your fact is Mendenhall's good game four weeks into his second season where he garnered AFC Offensive Player of the Week honors. Lets all develop amnesia and forget the facts that you have a) dogged Felix Jones from the very moment he was drafted even though he has been b) recognized as both NFC Special Teams Player of the Week and NFL Player of the Week a full season ago.

"amirite"? That's precious.







:laugh1:

Well those awards don't count, or matter, when they're not in favor of what he was wanting. He wanted Mendenhall. He thinks Felix was a bad pick. Anything that says otherwise is going to be disregarded by him and he'll cherry pick the good games, here and there, that Mendenhall has. Assuming, of course, that he has anymore good games in his career.

Your book sucks.



Which explains everything. If a player doesn't have off-the-chart measurements, you don't think he's worth a piss.

Arm strength, 40-time and size are the only things you see.

Forget production or value to the team, if said player doesn't out-size someone in a certain area, you don't want anything to do with that player.

LOL. The your book sucks line was all that was really needed here. It made the entire point quite nicely.

 

[Hoofbite]

Talent is god given. Hard work , determination and heart is NOT Talent. Its acquired.

Witten is the best TE in the league. It doesn't mean he is the most talented. In my book , there is a difference. I know it sucks.

So if a less talented player can be better than a more talented player, why are you such a big talent hound?

 

[DavidS]

The only Talent we have on the team is:

Marty B
Felix Jones
Leonard Davis
Dware

The rest of them guys are just average in my book.

Wow.....

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

So if a less talented player can be better than a more talented player, why are you such a big talent hound?

I just dont like the way the word is easily used sometimes. Just me being psycho.

But with that said. I do like guys that produce on the big stage for the big programs with big talent. Speed guys that play big. Doesnt matter if they are small or big if they can move at their given position. That athleticism and confidence is what we need more of. Desean, Maclin, Harvin, Mays, Dez etc...

You need that talent to win games. Hopefully your coaches give them chances to make plays or its useless.

Even guys that dont measure well like Laurinitis or Rey who play with heart.. i want on my team. Our team is too nice.

 

[NextGenBoys]

There's a popular book out now entitled, "Talent Is Overrated"

As I said before, the Iowa Hawkeyes football coaching staff preaches it and you can see the results.

I cant think of any other team in the nation that does more with its routine 1,2, or 3 star recruits and have them playing on Sundays after four years.

http://www.amazon.com/Talent-Overrated-Separates-World-Class-Performers/dp/1591842247

The key is how you practice, how you analyze the results of your progress and learn from your mistakes, that enables you to achieve greatness.

 

[RS12]

Bottom line: this teams is not as talented as alot of posters here and the front office thinks it is.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Whoever said Jason Witten is not talented should be banned. Greats hands and great reaction time aren't physical talents? Yikes.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

:laugh2: I was just funnin with ya!

 

[McCordsville Cowboy]

There's a popular book out now entitled, "Talent Is Overrated"

As I said before, the Iowa Hawkeyes football coaching staff preaches it and you can see the results.

I cant think of any other team in the nation that does more with its routine 1,2, or 3 star recruits and have them playing on Sundays after four years.

http://www.amazon.com/Talent-Overrated-Separates-World-Class-Performers/dp/1591842247

The key is how you practice, how you analyze the results of your progress and learn from your mistakes, that enables you to achieve greatness.

Who are they?

 

[Q_the_man]

In all honesty, Gonzales and Gates is better than Witten. All Witten does is catch passes for 12 yards and falls down, while the above mention Gonzales and Gates run deep routes and everything that a WR does.... Witten is good and I wouldn't trade him for those 2. But watch Gates, he like a big WR, that run all kinds of routes and gonzales does everything.

Gonzales, Gates, then Witten in that order.....And dont throw stats up, because stats mean that Welker is the best WR in the league since no other WR had more catches the last 2 years......

 

[JD_KaPow]

The only Talent we have on the team is:

Marty B
Felix Jones
Leonard Davis
Dware

The rest of them guys are just average in my book.

Yeah, that Ratliff guy's a no-talent hack. And don't get me started on Witten.

The problem is not the amount of talent, it's the distribution. We have big problems at WR and safety. We don't have a variety of ways to generate a pass-rush (yes, I know it's not our DEs primary role, but Igor and Spears don't really have the flexibility to use them in unexpected ways). We don't have quality depth in the defensive front 7, so we can't rotate guys very effectively.

Having a 2nd awesome TE and a 3rd awesome RB are nice, but the advantage they give you in any particular game is fairly marginal.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

In all honesty, Gonzales and Gates is better than Witten. All Witten does is catch passes for 12 yards and falls down, while the above mention Gonzales and Gates run deep routes and everything that a WR does.... Witten is good and I wouldn't trade him for those 2. But watch Gates, he like a big WR, that run all kinds of routes and gonzales does everything.

Gonzales, Gates, then Witten in that order.....And dont throw stats up, because stats mean that Welker is the best WR in the league since no other WR had more catches the last 2 years......

You need to clarify. If you mean that Gonzo and Gates are better pass catchers than Witten, you could make a good argument. But, catching passes is not all that a TE does. Witten is a far superior blocker than either of those two and a better route runner than Gates (I would call him vs. Gonzo a push in that category). Witten's hands are just as good as either of those two.

By the way, saying that Witten catches twelve yard passes and "falls down" pretty much assures people that you can't be watching the games. He fights for every yard he can get.

 

[Doomsday101]

You need to clarify. If you mean that Gonzo and Gates are better pass catchers than Witten, you could make a good argument. But, catching passes is not all that a TE does. Witten is a far superior blocker than either of those two and a better route runner than Gates (I would call him vs. Gonzo a push in that category). Witten's hands are just as good as either of those two.

By the way, saying that Witten catches twelve yard passes and "falls down" pretty much assures people that you can't be watching the games. He fights for every yard he can get.

He just falls down you know that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcRLgkLQh_Y

 

[NextGenBoys]

Who are they?

After Shonn Greene put the beatdown on you last year, I figured you would know by now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIFqDVUX6XU

 

[zrinkill]

In all honesty, Gonzales and Gates is better than Witten. .

Witten is the 4th best tightend in the division ..... much less the league.

 

[JD_KaPow]

In all honesty, Gonzales and Gates is better than Witten. All Witten does is catch passes for 12 yards and falls down, while the above mention Gonzales and Gates run deep routes and everything that a WR does.... Witten is good and I wouldn't trade him for those 2. But watch Gates, he like a big WR, that run all kinds of routes and gonzales does everything.

Gonzales, Gates, then Witten in that order.....And dont throw stats up, because stats mean that Welker is the best WR in the league since no other WR had more catches the last 2 years......

I like when people make unsubstantiated claims and then say "don't throw stats up" to refute them. What are we supposed to say, "nyuh-uh"? Sorry, I'm going to throw stats up.

Last year, Witten gained 11.8 yards per catch, Gates 11.7, and Gonzalez 11.0. It was admittedly an off-year for Gates. The year before, Witten 11.9, Gonzalez 11.8, Gates 13.1.

I don't think anyone suggests that Witten is a better receiver than Gates. But he is a much better blocker than Gates (and Gonzo) and he's a lot younger than Gonzo. And this idea that they're consistently running much longer routes is totally unfounded. If I had my pick of the three, I'd probably take Gates, but it's very very close.

And in what way do stats "mean that Welker is the best WR in the league"? The stats say he catches more passes than anyone, but I don't think any reasonable person would call a WR with a 10.5 ypc the best WR around.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

. . . Certainly you need a certain level of ability, but football isn't about assembling an all-star cast (just ask Washington). . .

We have an all-star cast?

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

We have an all-star cast?

According to this guy YES!!!!