TCU To #1?

[Jack-Reacher]

I see a one loss LSU, Auburn, Wisconsin, Oregon or even Ohio State getting the nod over TCU. It's a massive joke and a farce.

The Big East isn't world beaters, but I'll tell you this, if rumors of expansion invites are true, TCU should and WILL jump on that stat.

I don't see a one loss team jumping either TCU or BSU in the human polls. I am sure that the computers will have them higher, but as long as they stay ahead in both human polls they should be fine.

The TCU AD came out and said he would not entertain any football only offers which is what the Big East is wanting to add. I agree that if you get the chance you jump on it, but TCU might be stuck in the MWC for now. Texas has come out and said that they do not want to add any teams to the Big 12 that are already playing in states they have a presence in, but it makes sense to me for the Big 12 to add TCU and Houston and move both Oklahoma schools to the north. Two big markets in Dallas and Houston.

 

[Stautner]

Don't see that happening. Arizona would have to pull a rabbit out of their butt to beat Oregon. No way Cal or Oregon State will beat them. Auburn losing is the only way IMO.

Might as well concede now, no way TCU is going to land in the NC game.

Sadly enough, this may be true.

I don't see a one loss team jumping either TCU or BSU in the human polls. I am sure that the computers will have them higher, but as long as they stay ahead in both human polls they should be fine.

This is the hope. This is why Alabama needs to beat Auburn soundly, so that voters are left with serious questions about Auburn rather than thinking it was a fluke that Alabama won.

The TCU AD came out and said he would not entertain any football only offers which is what the Big East is wanting to add. I agree that if you get the chance you jump on it, but TCU might be stuck in the MWC for now. Texas has come out and said that they do not want to add any teams to the Big 12 that are already playing in states they have a presence in, but it makes sense to me for the Big 12 to add TCU and Houston and move both Oklahoma schools to the north. Two big markets in Dallas and Houston.

This makes so much sense that i can't for the life of me see how it doesn't happen. Maybe it's just too obvious - a case of not being able to see the forest for the trees.

And they could keep calling it the Big 12.

 

[Cythim]

TCU and Houston were left out for Tech and Baylor because the Dallas and Houston markets are professional markets. UT and TAMU cover both markets already so doubling up does not make much sense. UT, TAMU and OU also dominate those markets in terms of recruiting and they do not want to help TCU or UH in that department either.

 

[Jack-Reacher]

TCU and Houston were left out for Tech and Baylor because the Dallas and Houston markets are professional markets. UT and TAMU cover both markets already so doubling up does not make much sense. UT, TAMU and OU also dominate those markets in terms of recruiting and they do not want to help TCU or UH in that department either.

I understand that argument, but TCU has shown that they can recruit from Texas already without being in the Big 12. Houston and Dallas are both professional markets, but TCU has made a lot of waves nationally, and could still bring something to the table in their market. Houston has been a solid program as well and the team from Austin needs to recognize that if they do not lock these markets up, they could lose their foothold. Success brings fans, and fans of any team in Texas that is not from UH hurts the Big 12. Since Texas controls that conference, they need to recognize that they have two competitive schools in their two largest markets. They would be foolish to let them go to another conference, especially when TV contracts roll around.

 

[MC KAos]

going on a tangent, i really hate when these pundits go up there on tv and put down boise and TCU, specifically craig james. he is always on the BCS countdown spewing his crap "they couldnt compete with SEC teams, BLAH BLAH BLAH" i guess they forgot how Utah completely destroyed alabama a couple of years ago, i guess now they will say Utah is a pac ten team!

 

[Jack-Reacher]

going on a tangent, i really hate when these pundits go up there on tv and put down boise and TCU, specifically craig james. he is always on the BCS countdown spewing his crap "they couldnt compete with SEC teams, BLAH BLAH BLAH" i guess they forgot how Utah completely destroyed alabama a couple of years ago, i guess now they will say Utah is a pac ten team!

Craig James and Mark May are big time BCS backers... they will never have anything positive to say about a non-AQ team.

 

[Cythim]

I understand that argument, but TCU has shown that they can recruit from Texas already without being in the Big 12. Houston and Dallas are both professional markets, but TCU has made a lot of waves nationally, and could still bring something to the table in their market. Houston has been a solid program as well and the team from Austin needs to recognize that if they do not lock these markets up, they could lose their foothold. Success brings fans, and fans of any team in Texas that is not from UH hurts the Big 12. Since Texas controls that conference, they need to recognize that they have two competitive schools in their two largest markets. They would be foolish to let them go to another conference, especially when TV contracts roll around.

I agree completely, I think allowing the Big East to pick up the Dallas market is a bad idea. If they don't get it I would expect the SEC to look at UH and TCU once expansion talks resume.

 

[The Horned Frog]

I agree completely, I think allowing the Big East to pick up the Dallas market is a bad idea. If they don't get it I would expect the SEC to look at UH and TCU once expansion talks resume.

Call me crazy, but I forsee the SEC making a major run at Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M when their expansion talks fully ramp up.

 

[Stautner]

Call me crazy, but I forsee the SEC making a major run at Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M when their expansion talks fully ramp up.

They already did.

 

[The Horned Frog]

They already did.

Yeah, back in the '90s. There's also grumblings they were pondering the prospects of making a run at them this summer too. I know for a fact they made contact with A&M.

 

[Stautner]

Yeah, back in the '90s. There's also grumblings they were pondering the prospects of making a run at them this summer too. I know for a fact they made contact with A&M.

I think they made an effort at the same time the Big Ten did last year. The A&M possibility was the one publicized because I think Texas and OU rejected the SEC pretty quickly and decided if they were leaving at all it would be for the Big 10.

 

[The Horned Frog]

I think they made an effort at the same time the Big Ten did last year. The A&M possibility was the one publicized because I think Texas and OU rejected the SEC pretty quickly and decided if they were leaving at all it would be for the Big 10.

Not to be a ***** here Stautner, but outside of fleeting rumors of interest, I didn't hear anything this summer about there being serious talks between the Big 10 and Texas- Oklahoma. I knew Missouri was being courted by them for a bit, and obviously Nebraska was targeted, however other than the occasional "I want Katy Perry" type dream, I don't think the sides had serious talks.
If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me and fill me in.

I do know they were in bed with the Pac 10, and were the blink of an eye from consumating it, however A&M either rejected the idea or was going to, and favored going to the SEC. Big 10 though would have been extremely interesting.

 

[Stautner]

Not to be a ***** here Stautner, but outside of fleeting rumors of interest, I didn't hear anything this summer about there being serious talks between the Big 10 and Texas- Oklahoma. I knew Missouri was being courted by them for a bit, and obviously Nebraska was targeted, however other than the occasional "I want Katy Perry" type dream, I don't think the sides had serious talks.
If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me and fill me in.

I do know they were in bed with the Pac 10, and were the blink of an eye from consumating it, however A&M either rejected the idea or was going to, and favored going to the SEC. Big 10 though would have been extremely interesting.

There actually wre rumours about both the Big 10 and the Pac 10, and at one point it was actually reported by ESPN that Texas and otehrs would be joining the Pac 10.

Here is a USA Today report that indicates Texas and A&M both had petitioned to join the Biig 10.

http://content.usatoday.com/communi...-big-ten-while-oklahoma-working-to-join-sec/1

 

[Rogah]

This is the hope. This is why Alabama needs to beat Auburn soundly, so that voters are left with serious questions about Auburn rather than thinking it was a fluke that Alabama won.

I think we're going to see more and more questions about Auburn - specifically involving Cam Newton, the best QB money can buy. It's pretty sad when a team can't officially commit to playing him tomorrow for reasons that have nothing to do with injury status.

 

[Stautner]

I think we're going to see more and more questions about Auburn - specifically involving Cam Newton, the best QB money can buy. It's pretty sad when a team can't officially commit to playing him tomorrow for reasons that have nothing to do with injury status.

Cam Newton could end up being TCU's ace in the hole. Who wants to bet it was a TCU booster who spilled the beans .......?

 

[YosemiteSam]

If Auburn falls because Cam Newton's father and all the sudden a non-BCS team is in the NC and wins it. That will easily have to be the biggest self-imposed NCAA black-eye of all time!

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I dated the assistant to the AD of U of Tennessee for a few weeks. You cannot have any idea how fundamentally opposed those up in the hierarchy of Div 1 football are to changing the Bowl system. I mean, it's beyond obtuse. I can throw all kinds of hyperbole at you, and almost all of it would fit. I think if I had mentioned that she needed to lose weight and her niece was an ugly little urchin with bad parents, I wouldn't have gotten any worse of a reaction than when I brought up any kind of Div 1 playoff system.

I brought up the very thing you did here, Div II and III have playoffs. Baseball playoffs go well into Summer sessions in most college semester systems which blows the "too many games too far past when the semester is over" crap argument.

She had every excuse in the book, and even accused me of being close minded because I wouldn't accept there were too many obstacles to change. Too many obstacles? Those obstacles were created by the NCAA, they can be overcome by the NCAA.

I kid you not when I say our football discussions led to the end of that relationship. I got to see a lot of her personality get revealed in those debates, and can say I pity her future ex-husband.

not sure if dating for a few weeks is a relationship but was she hot and did she have a cute southern girl accent?

 

[jnday]

I think they made an effort at the same time the Big Ten did last year. The A&M possibility was the one publicized because I think Texas and OU rejected the SEC pretty quickly and decided if they were leaving at all it would be for the Big 10.

Texas and OU did not want to share revenue with the other SEC teams. The SEC was not interested if the revenue sharing was not part of the deal like it is for the other SEC teams.

 

[Rogah]

If Auburn falls because Cam Newton's father and all the sudden a non-BCS team is in the NC and wins it. That will easily have to be the biggest self-imposed NCAA black-eye of all time!

I don't entirely agree with this. If they make Newton ineligible now, and Auburn loses to Alabama or in the SEC Championship game (and obviously someone else takes the Heisman), then this whole sordid affair becomes a historical footnote. People would say TCU/BSU/Oregon won it fair and square - well, that is, as "fair and square" as the current BCS system allows for.

The black eye comes about if Newton finishes the season, wins the Heisman, Auburn wins the National Championship, and then all that has to be vacated 2 or 3 years down the road. That would be ugly.

EDIT: Although, the way they are playing against UGA, the above may be a moot point!