TE grades from Monday Night

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Now, these come from ProFootballFocus, so take them for what they're worth.

Witten (-) 0.4
Bennett (+) 0.8
Phillips (-) 2.6

Interesting, considering that Bennett is the only one of the three that had a positive grade. And regardless of how you view their grades, they're all being graded on the same criteria. I think PFF puts a lot more focus on run/pass blocking, so that most likely accounts for the grades (because it's not like MB caught the ball better than Witten). But it shows that, even despite the holding penalty, just how effective MB can be as a blocker, and typically grades out the best in that area.

I'm not suggesting he's anywhere near the TE that Witten is, and I'm not saying we shouldn't look to replace him. But for all those who watch the game, and say that he's useless, it suggests there's a lot going on that we don't see. Like I said, this is one grading site. And of course, it would be nice if his pass catching ever caught up to his blocking.

Another thing that is concerning, is that Witten's blocking seems to be diminishing. I've seen a number of other games graded out for him, and I assumed he'd have higher grades than he does, because of the number of passes he catches. But many times, his blocking brings his grade down. To me, that suggests he isn't the blocker he used to be. Not sure if it's injury, or what he's asked to do, but I wonder if he's becoming more of a one-trick pony.
 
I'm going to guess Tellus had something to do with those running plays, but I'm surprised the other to didn't even have positive grades. What is their criteria?
 
and don't really care. Bennett has become a scape goat on here and I don't really agree: he blocked VERY well the other night. Glad to have him. Yeah, he's replaceable and all and yeah he is a bit of an underachiever, but the guy can block. We have JWit to catch the passes IMHO. Good combo....Phillips is being underutilized and WILL have opportunities against the Lions.
 
Interesting stuff, I wonder if its a mental thing with Bennett? I saw a video of him dribbling the basketball and it was bouncing off the floor & off his knees and I was shocked at how smooth, coordinated and quick he looked. Its mystifying that a guy with that kind of coordination isn't able to do more in the passing game.

I sure hope they can find a way to get him involved in the passing game. Sure seems like they could practice the fade to the point where its practically indefensible.
 
TheCount;4147211 said:
I'm going to guess Tellus had something to do with those running plays, but I'm surprised the other to didn't even have positive grades. What is their criteria?

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/9/14/2424558/dallas-cowboys-jets-game-performance-grades

PFF have a unique way of grading players. They look at game tape, assign a grade for every play and then ‘normalize’ the data so that the average player for a given position is graded at zero. The higher the positive grading the better the performance and vice versa. In their own words:
"The grading takes into account many things and effectively brings "intelligence" to raw statistics. For example a raw stat might tell you a Tackle conceded a sack. However, how long did he protect the QB for before he gave it up? Additionally when did he give it up? If it was within the last two minutes on a potentially game tying drive it may be rather more important than when his team is running out the clock in a 30 point blow out." For a more detailed summary of how PFF grade check out their explanation here.
Sam Monson from PFF illustrated their approach with a few examples in an interview from last year:




"In our opinion [our approach] is at least a step change above what anyone could get by simply "tracking results". We can give you two examples:

1. A cornerback is beaten badly on a post route and the wide receiver drops the ball in the end zone. Tracking the result gives this as an incompletion against the cornerback (a positive) whilst we will mark this down as a significant negative.


2. A QB throws a perfect strike over a linebacker to hit his open slot receiver on an out. Once more, the wide receiver drops the pass and it cannons off his chest to a Safety who catches the ball even though he'd initially made a bad job of the coverage. The QB gets a INT listed against his name and the free safety gets an undeserved INT against his. How is tracking this result more accurate?"


Clearly there are limitations as to what is shown on TV. The biggest issue is that of not being able to see downfield coverages on untargeted defenders and we accept this as an inherent error in what we do. That said, nobody outside the teams has access to this either so should we stop our "more accurate" analysis on the basis that it's not 100 percent perfect?
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According to their grade, he helped spring both of his really long runs. Obviously, Fiametta (sp) was key on them as well, but MB was also instrumental.
 
I almost guarantee you he goes to another team, starts for them, and starts putting up some pretty significant numbers...
 
Galian Beast;4147483 said:
I almost guarantee you he goes to another team, starts for them, and starts putting up some pretty significant numbers...

Maybe the great Sparano would trade us the great Fasano for him :D

#reality
 
Martys problems are all from the neck up.
 
RS12;4147626 said:
Martys problems are all from the neck up.

I agree, I don't see a lot of fire out of him. I mean some guys are just like that, in fact Tyron is just like that, never seems to be in a rush to do anything. You'd never know a good play from a bad play to look at him.

Some people have said he should have caught that fade, I personally believe the ball wasn't very placed, but I'm sure the fact that he barely reacted after the pass was broken up didn't sit well with a lot of people.
 
yimyammer;4147234 said:
I sure hope they can find a way to get him involved in the passing game. Sure seems like they could practice the fade to the point where its practically indefensible.

Well it's not a fade when it's thrown 5 feet low, basically to the guy who's covering you.

Witten's never been a physically great blocker, he tries hard and he puts a lot of effort into blocking downfield, but he's not ever going to be mistaken for a tackle. Bennet has a pretty easy time blocking smaller guys so he might let up every now and again. Witten isn't in to be a blocking TE, he blocks well enough and is an outstanding pass catching TE, that's what makes him special.
 
TheCount;4147646 said:
I agree, I don't see a lot of fire out of him. I mean some guys are just like that, in fact Tyron is just like that, never seems to be in a rush to do anything. You'd never know a good play from a bad play to look at him.

Some people have said he should have caught that fade, I personally believe the ball wasn't very placed, but I'm sure the fact that he barely reacted after the pass was broken up didn't sit well with a lot of people.

yeah he should have yelled at somebody to show leadership.
 
TheCount;4147646 said:
I agree, I don't see a lot of fire out of him. I mean some guys are just like that, in fact Tyron is just like that, never seems to be in a rush to do anything. You'd never know a good play from a bad play to look at him.

Some people have said he should have caught that fade, I personally believe the ball wasn't very placed, but I'm sure the fact that he barely reacted after the pass was broken up didn't sit well with a lot of people.
Romo didn't put it where only he could get it, but yeah, Bennett could've fought a little harder.
 
TheCount;4147211 said:
I'm going to guess Tellus had something to do with those running plays, but I'm surprised the other to didn't even have positive grades. What is their criteria?


I totally agree. he was key in couple of runs felix broke to the outside. if it wasn't for that wishy washy, questionable holding call felix would have had another one.

its not a coincedence our running game was better, when bennett played.
 
Bennett is a pretty solid blocker and the coaching staff knows it, but the fans want more flash. His number isn't called in the passing game often because if they're in a 2TE set he's a better blocker than Witten and Witten the better pass catcher. The Cowboys just don't send both into routes at the same time very often.


Martellus Bennett (40/69, +0.8 grade): Marty B doesn't get a lot of love from fans, but the graders at PFF continue to like him for his outstanding run blocking. And while Bennett failed to catch the pass for a TD, he did spring two blocks on the Commanders linebackers on both of Jones's big runs. Blocking is an ability that Jason Witten (69/69, -0.4) seems to have lost. Something is not right with the Senator: for the third straight week, Witten received negative grades for his blocking. Maybe his bruised ribs are affecting him. John Phillips had a negative grade (14/69, -2.6), and gave up a sack and two pressures on just 14 snaps.

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/9/28/2455158/cowboys-Commanders-grades-post-game
 
Its funny.....

Bennett always grades out pretty good....

But fans see 1 or 2 bad plays and threads start pouring in about Bennett needs to be cut...etc.

I really dont know what some expect out of a 2nd TE.....this isnt like being a 2nd WR....

Look around ....check the history of the NFL......how many great 2nd TE's do you see? Has a NFL team ever had 2nd TE put up all pro numbers?

To me it seems some fans expect Bennett to put up big numbers.

The grades are in.....Bennett is and has been for yrs are best blocking TE....He is our 2nd TE....he wont get looks from Romo....he wont ever be the primary...secondary option in a pass play....Witten is our all pro TE...


Is Bennett lazy?....not motivated enough? I dont know....sometimes it seems like that. But if he is....shouldnt the coaches do something? I mean which is it? We blamed Wade in having camp cupcake and being easy on the players....but now Bennett is unmotivated and lazy....and this current staff continues to play him?
 
Boyzmamacita;4147918 said:
Romo didn't put it where only he could get it, but yeah, Bennett could've fought a little harder.

My issue is this: Has Bennett EVER caught that endzone fade route? Even if the ball is thrown higher, he would still have to come down with it and the db would still be able swipe at it. Bennett is just no good at catching those passes. Romo's ball did actually hit him in the mitts. Of course it could have been higher, but I just don't think it would help.

Bennett is a great blocker and he can catch well when he is running across the field, but those fade routes do not seem to be working for him.
 
Joe Rod;4148105 said:
My issue is this: Has Bennett EVER caught that endzone fade route? Even if the ball is thrown higher, he would still have to come down with it and the db would still be able swipe at it. Bennett is just no good at catching those passes. Romo's ball did actually hit him in the mitts. Of course it could have been higher, but I just don't think it would help.

Bennett is a great blocker and he can catch well when he is running across the field, but those fade routes do not seem to be working for him.
Don't remember if it was a fade route, but he did catch a nice TD to help win a game against the Commanders....... back in '08 ;)


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