Team Needs - A Little Confused

[THUMPER]

I find it slightly amusing that for years I have advocated drafting a WR in the first round or at least early in the 2nd and everyone tells me that WRs are busts and you NEVER draft a WR early.

Now, after watching what happened with our offense when Owens wasn't 100% many people here are advocating just that.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Romo was darned near perfect in the first half. It was the second half, when the Giants themselves told the coaches that neither Owens or Glenn could get any seperation that they started teeing off on Romo. Romo had no time in the second half and Crayton showed he was less than reliable. If Crayton continues the route and catches the TD, Romo posts 19-35 224 yards 2 TD and 0 INT for a 90+ QB Rating. One play can make a huge difference.

No he wasnt. He was 6-12 in the first half. Barber was kicking butt hough.

Then he chocked in crunch time

 

[BHendri5]

If Romo wasnt sucking we advance is more like it. he was awfully inconsistent in his accuracy down the stretch and in the playoff game.

you're kidding right?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

you're kidding right?

I am beginning to wonder about Cowboys fans. First Burnett is a good coverage LBer and now Romo wasnt bad down the stretch.

He hurt his thumb but his last 4 QB ratings were

22
81
35
65

That is absolutely awful.

 

[BHendri5]

I am beginning to wonder about Cowboys fans. First Burnett is a good coverage LBer and now Romo wasnt bad down the stretch.

He hurt his thumb but his last 4 QB ratings were

22
81
35
65

That is absolutely awful.

I repeat you are kidding right?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I repeat you are kidding right?

Whatever dude. At least try to support your position. It is widely accepted that his accuracy took a hit when he hurt his thumb.

 

[dallasfaniac]

No he wasnt. He was 6-12 in the first half. Barber was kicking butt hough.

Then he chocked in crunch time

Whatever you say dude. He went into halftime with a 100.0 QB Rating. One of his incompletions were because he got his arm hit, one was when Glenn slipped and nearly caused an INT and one was on a TD attempt to Owens from the 2.

I wasn't aware that 'chocking' in crunch time involved having your healthy WR quit on a route that would have won the game.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whatever you say dude. He went into halftime with a 100.0 QB Rating. One of his incompletions were because he got his arm hit, one was when Glenn slipped and nearly caused an INT and one was on a TD attempt to Owens from the 2.

I wasn't aware that 'chocking' in crunch time involved having your healthy WR quit on a route that would have won the game.

No I would call it missing wide open Owens and Witten choking.

I guess it just feels better to lay all the blame on Crayton.

And he went from a 100 QB rating to a 64. Think about that for a bit.

 

[BHendri5]

Whatever dude. At least try to support your position. It is widely accepted that his accuracy took a hit when he hurt his thumb.

Repeating again "you are kidding right?" No itis only accpeted by you, you are the only one I've read or heard about his accuracy taking a hit.

I'll take you back to a play in the loss to the giants when Crayton was pulled by McQuarters, Romo was so accurate that the ball hit Crayton in the back while he was on the ground.

I rewound the tape several times and every time I was amazed at how accurate Romo is.

So, You have got to be kidding, right?

 

[skinsscalper]

And yet, we score our season average, we beat the Giants and advance.

The game is evolving into more of a passing game. I never believe we have to score points but do because we can. I suppose it is perspective here.

But the rules are skewed toward the offense. And I do not believe Crayton is worth the paper his contract is printed on.

Just like to have a game breaker besides TO.

I agree with a lot of the things that you are pointing out, Two Deep. The bold part of this post, though is exactly why another CB is needed. It's not just the Cowboys that have all of a sudden put a premium on CBs. The ENTIRE LEAGUE has put a premium on CBs. That's why a scrub like Reeves just signed a 20 million dollar contract. 80 Million for Clements? Are you kidding me?! There's no way that guy is worth that kind of money (he's damn good, but he's not QB good), yet the market demand for his position puts him (and even a bunch of mediocre level players) in the driver's seat. That simple fact alone is why you draft one of these kids and avoid the high priced FA market.

Hell if we could keep Newman and keep a steady stream of these kids coming on over the next few years to let them play out their rookie deal and them replace them again, I would be all over it. There's not a CB in the league worth what Clements hauled in last year (or what Samuel hauled in this year). They aren't around the ball enough to warrant that type of money, but they ARE a necessary evil in a league that is blatantly biased toward offensive production and light in defensive talent on the edges.

To add to that, the league is littered with WRs that were taken beyond the first round and are more than serviceable at the position. The fact that the rules are skewed towards them is a green light to put less of a premium on their talent. Their jobs are easier than their predecessors of even ten years ago. An average WR can put up some very good numbers in a pass happy system (see Patrick Crayton).

CB? Without two damn good ones and at least a serviceable 3rd you are dead in the water IMHO.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Repeating again "you are kidding right?" No itis only accpeted by you, you are the only one I've read or heard about his accuracy taking a hit.

I'll take you back to a play in the loss to the giants when Crayton was pulled by McQuarters, Romo was so accurate that the ball hit Crayton in the back while he was on the ground.

I rewound the tape several times and every time I was amazed at how accurate Romo is.

So, You have got to be kidding, right?

Wow anecdotal evidence over staistical evidence how lovely.
his completion percentages were

33
67
44
50

His TD:Int rating was 2:6

You keep rewinding that tape.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

All Set
Position Series: At Last, Stability At Quarterback

Rob Phillips - Email
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer

February 13, 2008 6:12 PM

Romo will enter 2008 with a full season of starts under his belt.

IRVING, Texas

Johnson will turn 40 on Sept. 13 but keeps himself in tremendous shape, and his playoff experience gives the Cowboys a reliable backup in case Romo gets injured. Romo indeed was nagged by a bruised right thumb down the stretch in '07.

Cowboys roster evaluation: QB

by Dave Halprin (Grizz)
Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 12:16:33 PM EDT

But there’s a problem. For two straight years Romo’s play in Dec/Jan has not matched his play in Sept/Nov. It’s hard to pinpoint the reasons why, but in the crucial stretch runs of a season he hasn’t performed to the level that we’ve expected. Maybe it is just youth and game-experience and that can only come with time. Outside influences like bad defensive play in ’06 and the thumb injury in ’07 could have played a part. As the QB and the leader, he must overcome whatever obstacles are put in his way. The true measure of a QB is how he performs in the most important games and so far Romo has had very mixed results in those situations.

As much as I like the kid’s skills and moxie, I’m suspicious of the late-season letdowns. I’m still a huge fan of his play and still believe that he will prosper in the playoffs and lead this franchise to greater glory down the road, but until he does it, questions will surround him. He has to be able to consistently perform at a high level throughout the entire season and into the playoffs instead of starting fast and finishing slow.

Sports Chat Moderator: Kevin Sherrington will be here at 11 a.m. (CT) for some sports Q&A. Bring on the Q's ...

Kevin Sherrington: I'm sure his thumb was still bothering him, and defenses adjusted, keeping him in the pocket instead of letting him roll out. But, other than the bad throw to T.O. down by the end zone, I don't blame him for the loss to the Giants. Anthony Fasano dropped a touchdown and Patrick Crayton dropped two big passes and stopped running on what would have been a touchdown on the Cowboys' next-to-last play. Romo will be fine.

Short Memory With Romo

Nick Eatman - Email
DallasCowboys.com Staff Writer
January 18, 2008 5:53 PM

We can sit all day and dispute the last month of the season. The anti-Romos can throw out his struggles and his quarterback rating dropping near the end of the season. And of course, they can blame it all on his trip to Mexico with you-know-who.

The Pro-Romo group, or should we just call them Promos, will throw back that he was playing with an injured right thumb, or that he lost Terrell Owens there late in the season. And when Owens returned, along with Terry Glenn, the cohesiveness of the offense was altered a bit.

They can also say that his receivers, particularly Patrick Crayton in the second half against the Giants, didn't help him out much.

But who needs excuses? Romo didn't play as well at the end of the season. There were factors involved. Some fall onto Romo's shoulders, others shouldn't.

You didnt see it because you werent paying attention.

 

[BHendri5]

Wow anecdotal evidence over staistical evidence how lovely.
his completion percentages were

33
67
44
50

His TD:Int rating was 2:6

You keep rewinding that tape.

I sure will especially since it keeps proving you wrong.

 

[dallasfaniac]

No I would call it missing wide open Owens and Witten choking.

I guess it just feels better to lay all the blame on Crayton.

And he went from a 100 QB rating to a 64. Think about that for a bit.

It is easy to lay it all on Crayton's shoulders because he is the player that quit.

Glenn and Owens stayed in even when less than 100%, risking further injury that could end their careers. Romo stayed in the pocket facing a constant rush once the Giants knew they could pin their ears back, ultimately throwing the game winning TD to grass. I can forgive any player that gives it their all but fail to meet expectations, but I cannot forgive a player that gives up.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

With as many high draft picks we have used on defense in the last 10 years or so, we should have the scariest defense in NFL history. But we don't, all we have to show is one superstar, (Ware), a top 10 CB (Newman) and a bunch of players. Spears, Carpenter and Burnett should be big time contributors at this point and are not. Canty and Ratliffe were great finds, but not superstars. Just last year people were praising BP for finding Reeves and Jones, and they turned out to be what they are, bums.

We thought that SS was well taken care of for years to come, and that Watkins would walk right in at FS. We should have used more draft picks on CBs in previous drafts instead of "developmental" players. You can never have enough quality help at CB, and trying to find a good one in FA is very costly. Newman will be a FA, and IMO he is not worth a contract like Samuels, especially at his age. We should have a young CB ready to step in when his contract is up.

Last year didn't produce much help, yet, other than Folk. There's hope that Spencer will work out, but why did we go after the two tackles, if we have no intentions of using them? And Stanback, another project?

So that's why we should be looking at CB, and I think we should draft at least 2 in the first 3 rounds. We need to address WR due to age and lack of legitimate NFL talent in our backups. We need a RB to share carries with Barber.

What we don't need is more projects or developmental players that will not help this team.

 

[BHendri5]

You didnt see it because you werent paying attention.

Dude, those people do not know what they are talking about. You should know better than to believe the media.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I sure will especially since it keeps proving you wrong.

I think youre getting me wrong here. I love Tony Romo. When hes on he is one of the best and most entertaining QBs I have ever watched.

But lets face it, he hurt his thumb and that caused some of his throws to be erratic. Thumb injuries are murder to a QB.

Did he throw some beauties? Of course he did but at the same time ignoring the bad throws is just sticking your head in the sand. He was not very good down the stretch last season and was a big reason why we went 1-3 down the stretch.

It just goes to show how much we really need him to be healthy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dude, those people do not know what they are talking about. You should know better than to believe the media.

Alright were done here.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It is easy to lay it all on Crayton's shoulders because he is the player that quit.

Glenn and Owens stayed in even when less than 100%, risking further injury that could end their careers. Romo stayed in the pocket facing a constant rush once the Giants knew they could pin their ears back, ultimately throwing the game winning TD to grass. I can forgive any player that gives it their all but fail to meet expectations, but I cannot forgive a player that gives up.

Scapegoats sure are convenient.

Crayton screws up one play and he is crucified but Romo misses TO wide open in the end zone and keeps throwing behind Witten that causes us to punt and he gets a free pass.

Im not saying that Romo dint give his all but his all wasnt good enough.

 

[skinsscalper]

Repeating again "you are kidding right?" No itis only accpeted by you, you are the only one I've read or heard about his accuracy taking a hit.

I'll take you back to a play in the loss to the giants when Crayton was pulled by McQuarters, Romo was so accurate that the ball hit Crayton in the back while he was on the ground.

I rewound the tape several times and every time I was amazed at how accurate Romo is.

So, You have got to be kidding, right?

Bro, I love Romo as much as the next guy, but if you think for one minute that he was playing at a high level over his last 4 games you're kidding yourself.

He had accuracy issues from the Philly game until the end. That doesn't mean he didn't throw an accurate pass during that stretch (he actually threw quite few). Unfortunately when it mattered the most, when we NEEDED him the most, he fell short. I won't go way out there and lay the entire loss on Romo. As TO said it was a TEAM loss and I believe that wholeheartedly. Romo is a part of the team and his shortcomings had as much to do with losing as the o-line's, secondary's, and Crayton. That game should have been sealed by half time, PART of the reason it wasn't was because Romo BADLY missed a wide open TO. The result? A FG instead of a TD. That play was as pivotal as any other in the game. And it lands squarely on Romo. Spin it any way you want to but nothing that can ever be typed will change that FACT.

It's hard to fault Romo for one missed play when we watched him pull play after play out of nowhere when there was absolutely nothing there. ONE MISSED play out of a highlight reel of a year. It's a tough pill to swallow, but it doesn't change anything. I hope Romo finds a way to settle himself in these big games (playoffs) and play like "Tony Romo". The cold hard truth is that in two playoff games Romo has had apart in killing us with inconsistent play. Everyone on this board (including myself, admittedly ) was all over Parcells' case after the Seattle game because he wasn't "tearing up that inexperienced Seattle secondary". If you've got the game taped or have access to it, watch it again. Romo was absolutely AWFUL with is accuracy in the beginning of that game. Parcells had little choice. He had to go with the safe route before Romo passed the game away. If you don't think Romo is capable of that, go back and watch the Buffalo game. Yes, we won the game and Romo played a big part in putting us in position to do so. But, we had some VERY lucky breaks in that game and without them we would have gotten absolutely killled and it would have fallen squarely on Romo.

As I stated before, I absolutely LOVE this kid. I haven't been as excited about a Dallas player since the triplets. That doesn't mean that he walks on water. He has his warts, and unfortunately they appear at the WORST possible time.