Tell Me I'm Wrong

[Rampage]

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[Bleu Star]

Tell Me I'm Wrong

I can't find anything to argue on. You're staring right at the bullseye.

 

[Sarge]

it's hard to be very good when you're schemed against, and double-teamed, and teams go 3-WR to draw you into coverage, and you're raw cuz you're young

give it time

however, I can fault him for having only 2 pass-rushing moves, the bull-rush, or the corner, he has, repeat, has, to develop a bigger pass-rushing repetoire of moves, and maybe he needs to get a little nastier

Nah....I've seen enough of him to know what we have there......double teamed or not. He's a solid DE/LB but the question I pose is.... is his calibre of play justified when considering where we drafted him and what we drafted him for?

I'm disappointed in his play but frankly, I'm not suprised.

 

[Concord]

Nah....I've seen enough of him to know what we have there......double teamed or not. He's a solid DE/LB but the question I pose is.... is his calibre of play justified when considering where we drafted him and what we drafted him for?
I'm disappointed in his play but frankly, I'm not suprised.

I'd say no. I think Ware is really close to being there...But I don't know if he will ever get there.

 

[Chuck 54]

He bull rushes because he's trying to make sure to guard against the run. When you speed rush, you typically give up a lot agains the run.

People just need to watch other teams play. Every week I see defenses get the occasional the free shot at an unsuspecting QB because their blitz is disguised well enough and the opposing O-Line can't recognize it. I don't know when the last time that has happened with the Dallas defense. Teams pretty much know before they snap the ball who is blitzing and where they are coming from. The only question is whether or not the CB's can cloak the receivers or in the rare cases, if the QB can get the ball off quickly and accurately.



YAKUZA

Do you remember the old Safety blitz the Cowboys always had success with no matter who their safeties were...Harris, Waters, Green, Horton, Teague, Woodson...didn't matter.

Both safeties would line up over the center and shoot the gaps...the center usually had to have help from both guards because of their speed, and then the DT's fired in with the DE's with only the OT's to block...someone usually got the QB before he even got back in the pocket...it left the CB's in man coverage with a LB on the TE in man coverage.....but the way our safeties have been going, not a bad idea

 

[Chuck 54]

OK, you're wrong about some of those.



Pure speculation. Nobody knows whether we'll go to the playoffs, and we certainly could. Lots of teams have looked worse in the first eight games than we have and still made the playoffs -- and it almost certainly will happen this season, too, if we don't make it.




Our defense is not overrated, if you rate them properly. I would support my argument with facts, but you said you don't want them.




The Commanders had 11 offensive possessions. Only three of them came inside the 30, and none of them came inside the 20.



We forced three three-and-outs yesterday.



The defense has allowed 3, 14, 6 and 14 points in our wins. It's pretty tough to lose when that happens, unless your offense reeks. And the defense allowed 17 points yesterday. We scored 19.



Ware definitely is a good pass-rusher, and he's easily our best pass-rusher. He very often "totally beats his man," and he has had several sacks after initially being blocked.



I don't think you watched Ware closely yesterday. He rushed the passer 15 times. On the five times he wasn't blocked by Chris Samuels (once against a guard and running back double-team, once against Mike Sellers, twice against Christian Fauria and once unblocked on a rollout pass), he pressured, sacked or hit Brunell every time. On the 10 times he went against Samuels, Ware won four times, Samuels won three, and three were "other" (one was a quick dumpoff pass when Ware was getting close, one was the screen to Cooley on the final play of the first half -- when Ware ran 34 yards downfield to make the tackle, and one was when Ware shucked Cooley before rushing and Samuels didn't even touch Ware until the ball was almost thrown).

Against Samuels, Ware hit Brunell's arm for an incomplete pass once (nearly a sack and forced fumble), hit Brunell as he threw a quick pass once and flushed Brunell out of the pocket and forced an incomplete pass twice.

Did you see anyone else on our team do any of that yesterday -- even once?




Anyone who actually thinks he isn't already very good with an excellent chance of becoming a great one has no perspective.




Of course it's his biggest weakness. But he's better at it than a lot of idiots would have you believe.




It's rare for any team to intercept a pass. And we're 12th in the league in interception percentage, so it's more rare for 20 other teams than it is for us.

1. of course our playoff hopes are pure speculation...but they sure take a hit when you lose to the teams you should beat and then have to count on beating the better teams in the league.

2. Were any of the 3 and outs when we had the Skins backed up and would have gotten good field position from it?...notice I was talking about those situations in the post.

3. Of course Ware is our best pass rusher...who's he in competition with...the heavy and slow front 3 and Greg Ellis when we bring him...so that's not really saying much. If he "very often beats his man" then how come he "very seldom gets a pressure"? Either he's not a very good pass rusher or we really do have some pretty stupid coaches since lack of pressure is widely recognized as our biggest problem...I just disagree on this one...I see him beat TE's and I see him speed rush now and then and get in, but most of the time he gets tied up with the OT...maybe it's to protect the outside against the run as some suggest, but to suggest that Ware is a top pass rusher when he only gets pressure on the QB a few plays per game (notice I don't even care about his sack total) has to mean he's being misused, doesn't it?

I guess you're right that I wasn't watching the game closely enough...all I noticed was that Brunnell stood in the pocket and found his throwing lane with no pressure much more often than Romo ever had a chance to...I believe most fans are of the opinion that we do NOT get anything close to consistant pressure on the opposing QB, especially at crunch time.

4. I don't think you added anything to my comments about Roy...I said he's improved, but that it's his biggest weakness, but that he's no Archella, which means he's not at the bottom of the coverage scrap pile. However, the truly great safeties also get beaten, but they are the guys who make the plays with the game on the line....his interference didn't bother me as much as the interception attempt hitting him in the helmet....I'm used to him getting there late or taking a bad angle, especially in cases when it isn't his primary responsibility....but Roy usually comes down with that play.

I compare Roy's occasional miscues with T.O.'s occasional miscues...great player, usually makes the play...but when the team leaders start making those plays when we need them most, we'll be a team looking at the playoffs.

*** I didn't say I didn't want "facts"...I said don't just give me stats on our defense...stats mean nothing when your defense gets a habit of allowing the long drive at the end of the game or letting teams out of their end when backed up or interferring on long passes because they can't find the ball or even get 4 sacks in a game but most of the time allow the QB time to go through his entire progression of reads...some years ago we had the top rated defense by stats, but that defense always allowed the long drives in the 4th quarter.

We have an improved defense in many ways, but it's far from a top defense, imo. Maybe it's more scheme than players...I don't know, but it's easier to change coach and scheme than players

 

[Chuck 54]

I can think of numerous seasons where this comment was felt, if not stated, only to come back later to be proven wrong.

The Commanders took a win with some luck and our miscues. Perspective is what the current status calls for.

We are not as good as our best win, nor as bad as our worst loss.

Further, as things stand, we need 10 wins to make the play-offs. While this is not a done deal. Anything can and mostly does happen in this league.

It's why we watch.



If you review the game, you will note they drove down the field once. They were aided by penalties on any other occassion.

We shot ourselves in the foot yesterday. Correcting mistakes is what needs to occur.

Our defense has been handed some very tough spots. And as much as you wish to discount anything positive, please review the Carolina tape where we were down by 14-points to what some thought would be the NFC bid for the SB this year.

Again, let's think on an emotional win and a three game road trip.

Did you expect us winning all three? If not, which game did you pick as the loss?



This is absurd. How much was his assignment to cover yesterday.

Perhaps the team should have taken Merriman. But Ware is still a hoss on defense. And the demands made of him surely suggest he is better than your assessment.




Well I hope this doesn't come as a shock but Roy Williams is not great at coverage. There were a few of us saddened by taking him in the draft.

He is a stud in the run game. And his hits are something to marvel.

But at some point a coach needs to suggest he look for the ball when a deep pass is thrown and not try to take the guys head off.

Really foolish play yesterday and one of the biggest reasons we lost. he had a pick against Lloyd, and didn;t even look up.



Evidently I agree with this. Should have read further down before posting a reply.



And yet if he goes by his chart, he is consistent. I didn't like the results, but Parcells has a system. It wins sometimes and loses other times.



This falls at Parcell's feet. He needs to fix it or get out of the game.



Seldom does salary have anything to do with dropping a pass. They all drop passes. It was inopportune.

But how about the ones he catches when it is third and long?



Fourth and two and we can seal the game. Barber loses two yards.

I think Barber is the real deal, and like what he brings. But there is so much more to this than a simple answer that condemns.



He is starting to win me over as well.



Then rent a movie on Sundays. I never understand this attitude. Even days they lose by 20 are better than days when they aren't playing, to me.



Perhaps the only Eagle during the Super Bowl that was doing something. One game, one play does not change that fact, or that his presence causes double teams away from Glenn and the running game to play muchy better. Even with our lousy OL.



I think you had a bad day and are venting. I understand it. I do it myself at times.

But this team is close in terms of having a great deal of talent. We are two games into Romo's tenure. Maybe we should just relax and understand this season - and the first in a great while - looks like it is actually building toward the future, rather than status quo.




And we tried even harder to give it back.

Some days you eat the bear. Some days it eats you.

Keep your chin up. There is a half a season left to play.

How can you ignore drives aided by penalties when it's our defense committing the penalties?

 

[Chuck 54]

This is absurd. How much was his assignment to cover yesterday.

Perhaps the team should have taken Merriman. But Ware is still a hoss on defense. And the demands made of him surely suggest he is better than your assessment.




Fourth and two and we can seal the game. Barber loses two yards.

I think Barber is the real deal, and like what he brings. But there is so much more to this than a simple answer that condemns.




I think you had a bad day and are venting. I understand it. I do it myself at times.

But this team is close in terms of having a great deal of talent. We are two games into Romo's tenure. Maybe we should just relax and understand this season - and the first in a great while - looks like it is actually building toward the future, rather than status quo.

1. Why is it that anytime anyone says anything about Ware, it comes back to Merriman? I could care less what Merriman is doing...I didn't mention him...I have a problem with lack of pressures...it's either Ware or the coaching, take your pick, but it's not good.

2. I'm complimenting our RB's and somehow you get "condemn" out of that? For the record, that loss was because our TE whiffed on his blocking assignment.

3. You claim I'm venting regarding our recent draft class??? Again, where are you coming from...the players you talked about weren't in this draft class...Can anyone argue that this year's draft class doesn't appear weak? I even qualified it as too early to call...just what it looks like this year...a fact.

 

[AdamJT13]

1. of course our playoff hopes are pure speculation...but they sure take a hit when you lose to the teams you should beat and then have to count on beating the better teams in the league.

Almost every playoff team in NFL history has lost to at least one team it should have beaten.

2. Were any of the 3 and outs when we had the Skins backed up and would have gotten good field position from it?...notice I was talking about those situations in the post.

Like I said, there were only three of those situations (30 and in). And two of the three-and-outs came in situations very close to those, if not better. The Skins got the ball at their 34 and went three-and-out without gaining a yard (a penalty on their first punt backed them up to their 19 for their second punt). Another time, they got the ball at their 34, got backed up to the 24 by a holding penalty on first down, then went three-and-out.

Expecting at least one three-and-out out of three possessions is unrealistic. And it's inequitable to consider a team "backed up" when it's at the 30 but not the 34 or, after a penalty, the 24. In short, the defense might not have gotten the results you wanted on those three particular possessions, but it did on two other possessions that just missed your qualifications for being "backed up."

3. Of course Ware is our best pass rusher...who's he in competition with...the heavy and slow front 3 and Greg Ellis when we bring him...so that's not really saying much. If he "very often beats his man" then how come he "very seldom gets a pressure"?

He pressures the quarterback as much as -- or more than -- most of the elite pass-rushers.

to suggest that Ware is a top pass rusher when he only gets pressure on the QB a few plays per game (notice I don't even care about his sack total) has to mean he's being misused, doesn't it?

It's called perspective, and you need it. Pressure "a few plays per game" is exactly what the great ones get. And Ware does that even though he doesn't rush the passer full-time like a defensive end would.

I guess you're right that I wasn't watching the game closely enough...

You definitely didn't watch Ware closely enough, which makes it curious why you would blast him for not pressuring Brunell. He was the ONLY one pressuring Brunell most of the time, and he did it on the majority of plays when he was rushing.

However, the truly great safeties also get beaten, but they are the guys who make the plays with the game on the line.

Roy has made plenty of plays "with the game on the line." Go back through his turnovers and big plays in the past few seasons -- most of them have come in the red zone or at crucial moments in the game.

*** I didn't say I didn't want "facts"...I said don't just give me stats on our defense...stats mean nothing when your defense gets a habit of allowing the long drive at the end of the game or letting teams out of their end when backed up or interferring on long passes because they can't find the ball or even get 4 sacks in a game but most of the time allow the QB time to go through his entire progression of reads...some years ago we had the top rated defense by stats, but that defense always allowed the long drives in the 4th quarter.

The defense allowed seven points in the second half, and those came in the first minute of the fourth quarter. They allowed three first downs and no points and had no penalties after that, when the score was tied and the game on the line.

Against Carolina, the defense pitched a shutout in the second half, with two sacks, two turnovers, two three-and-outs and no penalties in the fourth quarter -- which began with us trailing 14-10 and the game on the line.

Against the Giants, the defense allowed three points in the fourth quarter, with a sack and no penalties. Against the Texans, the defense had another second-half shutout. Against the Eagles, the defense allowed seven points in the fourth quarter. Against the Titans, we allowed no points in the fourth quarter. Against the Commanders, no points in the second half.

Since the first game of the season, the defense has allowed 17 points TOTAL in the fourth quarter -- 0, 0, 7, 0, 3, 0 and 7. Does that sound like a defense that can't stop teams in the fourth quarter?

 

[cowboys19]

Wow...I really expected to catch some crap for #3...especially from all the guys who have defended him in the Merriman debates.

I think he's going to be a great LB, but he may need to move to the Ellis position next year and find someone else who can actually pass rush.

he isn't great at it, but its not like he is a bad pass rusher. He is getting decent amount of sacks for a linebacker

 

[Chuck 54]

That's just it you have a blind hatred for the guy and that's your problem.

Your do have double standard about the whole thing.

So let me get this straight so you're implying that a TD celebration shouldn't be done with props.

So Chad Johnson's golf put TD celebration wasn't a prop his proposal to a cheerleader wasn't a prop dude get real.

Where were you then when he scored the three TDs against the Texans and and he stood at the star in the endzone was he selfish then.

It is you who is being selfish about the whole situation period.

For Pete's sake man....you apparently don't get it at all....there was no rule against that last year....this year they have new rules...they change the rules every year....this year the rules state "no props" and "can't go to the ground" and "no one else can join in the celebration"....it's not about liking a guy or not...those are the rules THIS YEAR....and apparently everyone knows it but you.

 

[ringmaster]

Almost every playoff team in NFL history has lost to at least one team it should have beaten.



Like I said, there were only three of those situations (30 and in). And two of the three-and-outs came in situations very close to those, if not better. The Skins got the ball at their 34 and went three-and-out without gaining a yard (a penalty on their first punt backed them up to their 19 for their second punt). Another time, they got the ball at their 34, got backed up to the 24 by a holding penalty on first down, then went three-and-out.

Expecting at least one three-and-out out of three possessions is unrealistic. And it's inequitable to consider a team "backed up" when it's at the 30 but not the 34 or, after a penalty, the 24. In short, the defense might not have gotten the results you wanted on those three particular possessions, but it did on two other possessions that just missed your qualifications for being "backed up."




He pressures the quarterback as much as -- or more than -- most of the elite pass-rushers.



It's called perspective, and you need it. Pressure "a few plays per game" is exactly what the great ones get. And Ware does that even though he doesn't rush the passer full-time like a defensive end would.



You definitely didn't watch Ware closely enough, which makes it curious why you would blast him for not pressuring Brunell. He was the ONLY one pressuring Brunell most of the time, and he did it on the majority of plays when he was rushing.



Roy has made plenty of plays "with the game on the line." Go back through his turnovers and big plays in the past few seasons -- most of them have come in the red zone or at crucial moments in the game.



The defense allowed seven points in the second half, and those came in the first minute of the fourth quarter. They allowed three first downs and no points and had no penalties after that, when the score was tied and the game on the line.

Against Carolina, the defense pitched a shutout in the second half, with two sacks, two turnovers, two three-and-outs and no penalties in the fourth quarter -- which began with us trailing 14-10 and the game on the line.

Against the Giants, the defense allowed three points in the fourth quarter, with a sack and no penalties. Against the Texans, the defense had another second-half shutout. Against the Eagles, the defense allowed seven points in the fourth quarter. Against the Titans, we allowed no points in the fourth quarter. Against the Commanders, no points in the second half.

Since the first game of the season, the defense has allowed 17 points TOTAL in the fourth quarter -- 0, 0, 7, 0, 3, 0 and 7. Does that sound like a defense that can't stop teams in the fourth quarter?

Don't waste your time my friend.

You're going by the book with him on these terms and I agree with you about everything.

The way the NFL, is now catering to offense it's much harder for any defense to play ball.

I can say this our defense is better than that of the Colts, who has the worst run D, in the league giving up 5.4 yds a carry to most running backs and people still say they will go to the SB, yeah Manning, is a huge x-factor but defense win championships to me offense get you there and if they keep it up then they will come up short once again.

Good analogy of the last 8 games, where even though we lost 4 were in every single one of them and had a chance to take two into overtime with Philly, and Washington and possibly winning them.

This defense had it's share of ups and downs in that stretch but so did every defense it's much more difficult to play defense in the NFL, and you can thank Peyton Manning, and the Colts WRs for that.

As far as Ware, goes he had the lone sack Sunday, so I guess WM, wasn't paying attention.

 

[Chuck 54]

I can't really disagree with any of it.

Yeah, the Ware thing is probably a touchy issue. To me he's been a "yeah, but" guy. He'll almost get there a lot, or so it's seemed to me. I do think he generates a little more pressure than his sack numbers indicate. And I do think pressures are a critical part of pass rushing. But the end results aren't the dominant number people expected.

I mean, entering the season, people here were predicting 12-14 sack seasons from Ware. I'd be mildly surprised if he gets 10.

For all his off-season work, he's on pace for another 8-sack season. Which isn't bad, but isn't that of the great ones. Ya never know, though. All it takes sometimes is one of those multi-sack games and you'll see a stat bump.

I loved Haley even when Tolbert had more sacks....Haley pressured the QB on almost every pass play.

 

[ringmaster]

For Pete's sake man....you apparently don't get it at all....there was no rule against that last year....this year they have new rules...they change the rules every year....this year the rules state "no props" and "can't go to the ground" and "no one else can join in the celebration"....it's not about liking a guy or not...those are the rules THIS YEAR....and apparently everyone knows it but you.

No you don't get it and never will the NFL, is now the No Fun League.

 

[Chuck 54]

You guys do a very nice job of showing why I'm wrong on Ware as a pass rusher...I can't argue against you because you have facts, and I have none.

Maybe he needs some help...same argument that has always been made for Ellis...maybe he needs a different scheme....maybe our defense is just wonderful and they are already a championship unit....

All I know is that Ware is the best defensive player we have, but I'm not happy with him as a pass rusher....just my opinion....I guess I've been waiting for another Haley who pressured QB's all game long, even when doubled, even when his sack production was low, or maybe it's just a guy feeling and you can prove I'm wrong about Haley too and Ware is actually rushing the QB's throw more than Haley did...who knows.

But if Ware is as great at rushing the QB as you guys suggest, I just don't get why QB's aren't rushing their passes more.

I know in the secondary, the guy I was most unhappy with yesterday was Anthony Henry.

Our offense is going to be fine with Romo...of that I have no doubt, so if the defense is as good as you guys think, then I'll have to be wrong about the playoffs too....I hope so.....we'll know in a few more weeks.

 

[ringmaster]

You guys do a very nice job of showing why I'm wrong on Ware as a pass rusher...I can't argue against you because you have facts, and I have none.

Maybe he needs some help...same argument that has always been made for Ellis...maybe he needs a different scheme....maybe our defense is just wonderful and they are already a championship unit....

All I know is that Ware is the best defensive player we have, but I'm not happy with him as a pass rusher....just my opinion....I guess I've been waiting for another Haley who pressured QB's all game long, even when doubled, even when his sack production was low, or maybe it's just a guy feeling and you can prove I'm wrong about Haley too and Ware is actually rushing the QB's throw more than Haley did...who knows.

But if Ware is as great at rushing the QB as you guys suggest, I just don't get why QB's aren't rushing their passes more.

I know in the secondary, the guy I was most unhappy with yesterday was Anthony Henry.

Our offense is going to be fine with Romo...of that I have no doubt, so if the defense is as good as you guys think, then I'll have to be wrong about the playoffs too....I hope so.....we'll know in a few more weeks.

Good for you finally some reasoning.

 

[jackrussell]

And try to support your argument with facts.

1. This team is NOT going to the playoffs and doesn't deserve it. I don't care what you say about the Commanders, being on the road, divisional game, etc, we needed this game as badly as they wanted it. We weathered the initial storm and then had every opportunity to blow it open. Except for one run by Portis on which Ellis was out of position for the 2nd time and Henry got treated like a female dog by Brandon Lloyd, they had no running game and no Moss. Now we'd have to not only beat Arizona, Detroit,TB, and Philly (the losers)but we'd also have to win 2 of 4 from Indy, NY, NO, and Atlanta (playoff caliber teams). Impossible? no, but we couldn't beat Washington...get serious.

2. Our defense is way way over-rated...don't give me stats...I've said all year that our defense can't stop anyone...I was happy with the goal line stand in the first quarter, but let's not forget that we let them drive 80 yards down the field with no running game. We had many opportunities with them backed up at their 20 or inside the 30 all game, and we never got a 3 and out...we let them drive the ball just about every time. This defense is not even helping win games, much less taking over.

3. Demarcus Ware is not a good pass rusher...period. Get up his butt and praise him all you want, but we should use him in coverage because he's not very good at getting pressure. If he totally beats his man 1-1, then yes, he can get any QB, but let him get blocked and he has nothing left. The only time he did anything yesterday was when they dared to try and block him with a TE...Their tackles owned him all game, especially when it counted.

We still cannot pressure the QB...not only did Brunnell have all day to stand back there, but his line also created huge passing lanes...no push up the middle at all....it was sad. Notice I didn't say Ware isn't a great LB...he is, but anyone who actually thinks he's going to be a great pass rusher is just not actually watching.

4. Our secondary is not very good in cover two...big surprise...the skins receivers were open over the middle all game long, guess who has the middle...Lb's and safeties...safeties playing deep...ouch.

5. Roy Williams is what he is...a great safety who is not so great at pass coverage...once again, he is back there, but he takes a bad angle, misjudging the WR and the ball...INT. He's improved in coverage...he's no Archelletta, but it's his biggest weakness...that's a fact...to argue otherwise is to ignore game results that occur time and time again.

The Commanders exposed us deep again....all teams need to go deep on us...they will either get a nice play because our CBs don't see the ball, or they'll get a penalty...it's rare for us to intercept a pass...Henry had two in the endzone and dropped them both, one resulting in a TD. Roy let one bounce off his head, through his hands.

6. Two point conversion in first quarter...stupid, regardless of what the cheat sheet says....period...too many various scoring factors for the next 3 quarters than can change the point spread in many different ways.

7. Penalties....close to 200 yards in penalties....ridiculous, mostly by the defense. There's no blaming this one on the refs since replay after replay showed we were getting away with holding on offense again and again, not to mention they were calling offensive interference on the Skins, usually a sure sign that there's no favor.

8. T.O.....still dropping passes....still selfishly getting camera time and a 15 yard penalty....then yammering back at Parcells who wasn't happy....he knew we'd get that 15 yarder...it's written in stone...you can't go to the ground.... with a kicker who can't get it past the 10....just selfish....we were lucky the Skins screwed it up....catching the kickoff at the 30, they should have been at midfield or around our 40. A great player? sometimes...is he earning his 10 million...nope...a 10 million dollar receiver doesn't drop a TD in a tight game....period.

9. We have two tough hardrunning backs who will be around for a while...you have to like them both yesterday and wonder why they weren't used a little more on the road....especially the short passes to Barber.

10. I know when to admit I'm wrong....two games in, there's no doubt about it...two different schemes bringing pressure, yesterday huge pressure on 3rd downs....We have us a QB, Boys. The Carolina game seemed to prove it....The Skins game nailed it down for me....big 3rd down plays again and again, under pressure....even the moxie to keep the ball and look like he's running before a last second pass to Barber that gave Barber the angle on the defender to run for a first down....the huge completion to Witten to get the win (oh yeah...someone blew an assignment and let it get blocked from the side). WE have a QB.

11. This season is basically over as far as any playoff hopes go...but we found a QB...we improved the OL and can do more next year....we still need to add some youth to the WR mix.

12. We also learned that T.O. is good, but can't be counted on as a sure thing.

13. It's too early to judge this past year's draft class, but right now it doesn't look good...the first day looks very very bad.

Pick your numbers, and tell me I'm wrong.

*** I'm guessing we need to come up with some different defensive schemes for getting pressure and for playing pass coverage...whatever we're doing just doesn't seem to work against the NFC East opponents....If our defense could have gotten an occasional stop when the Skins were backed up, it would have helped our offense to have a short field.

The Skins made some huge errors, dropping passes, fumbling in our territory, botching the kr at their 30, blowing a sure punt downing at our 1 yard line...they tried their best to give it to us....but we aren't a team ready to take it....for the past two years, whenever our playoff lives seem on the line, we lose.

Can't reasonably argue with any of it at this point.

Hopefully, some things will change for the better.

 

[Muhast]

Well you can't start out saying "support your arguments with facts" and then have number one say " this team is not going to the playoffs, they dont deserve it" as thats not a fact, thats opinion

 

[trueblue1687]

Now, if we could just get another post or two with the gay "spot on!!!" comment, it would round out the post.

This team only lacks one thing...consistency. They are definately formidable enough to beat any NFL team on any given Sunday (no pun intended). When they learn to hold together as a TEAM, you'll see a trip to the playoffs. May be this year, maybe not...but they're alot closer than most of the gloom and dooms think. Yes, the game vs. the foreskins was dreadful. Just hope they get it turned around and enjoy the rest of the season with a coke and a smile....just no more "spot on" replies. I've puked enough already.

 

[AdamJT13]

I loved Haley even when Tolbert had more sacks....Haley pressured the QB on almost every pass play.

Ahh, the good ol' days, when Charles Haley pressured the quarterback on every play, Deion Sanders never allowed a completion and Darren Woodson made three big plays per game and never gave up one. Gotta love revisionist history.

All I know is that Ware is the best defensive player we have, but I'm not happy with him as a pass rusher....just my opinion....I guess I've been waiting for another Haley who pressured QB's all game long, even when doubled, even when his sack production was low, or maybe it's just a guy feeling and you can prove I'm wrong about Haley too and Ware is actually rushing the QB's throw more than Haley did...who knows.

First of all, Haley rushed the passer on every pass play. He probably dropped into coverage fewer than five times total in his five seasons in Dallas -- if that much. Secondly, Haley was a three-time Pro Bowl player who averaged 13 sacks per season BEFORE he even came to Dallas. When we got him, he was an All-Pro at the top of his game, one of the best two or three pass-rushers in the NFL. If you're saying that Ware "is not very good" because he's not at that level after 24 NFL games, your expectations might be a bit high.

But if Ware is as great at rushing the QB as you guys suggest, I just don't get why QB's aren't rushing their passes more.

Nobody said he was "great" yet. I said he was good with a chance to be great.

One question -- which current NFL player would YOU consider to be "great" at rushing the passer? I need a point of reference here.