Tennessean on Jones trade

dbair1967

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dont know where their idiot fans got the idea they were getting a 2nd next yr...this is their own beat writer:

Cowboys, Titans agree to Pacman trade
By JIM WYATT • Staff Writer • April 23, 2008

The Titans have traded suspended cornerback Pacman Jones to the Dallas Cowboys.

Dallas will send its fourth-round pick in this week's draft to the Titans in exchange for Jones.

There are also conditions attached to the trade related to Jones being reinstated by the NFL, and how much he plays for the Cowboys.

If Jones is available or on injured reserve for 16 games in 2008, the Titans will also get a sixth-round pick from the Cowboys in 2009. Jones doesn’t have to play in the games, he just can’t be suspended.

If the NFL doesn't reinstate Jones, the Titans will send a 2009 draft pick back to the Cowboys.

Jones also reached a financial settlement with the Titans in which he must pay $500,000 to a charity chosen by the Titans some time in the next two years. He will receive a new contract from the Cowboys.

Jones must pass a physical before the trade will be finalized.

“I am excited for Adam because I know this is what he wants,’’ said Manny Arora, Jones' agent and attorney. “I don’t want to speak for Adam, I’ll let him speak on his feelings when he officially becomes a Cowboy, but I know this is what he wanted.

“I am glad it’s done. I don’t care how it got done, or the reason it got done. If everything goes through Adam gets what he wants and that is what he was looking for.’’
 

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Giant fans are worse. One guy said that he would never be reinstated and others say he is not a great conerback.
 

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Bungarian;2047337 said:
Giant fans are worse. One guy said that he would never be reinstated and others say he is not a great conerback.
What will they say when he's taking one of little Sheli's passes to the house?
 

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Bungarian;2047337 said:
Giant fans are worse. One guy said that he would never be reinstated and others say he is not a great conerback.

thats actually kinda funny, because he had a huge hand in winning that game for Tennessee against them in 2006...here's the write up on the game:

Young rallies Titans from 21-point deficit to stun Giants


* Manning's numbers in Sunday's loss:
18-for-28, 143 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT

He and Vince Young made it worth their while, too, delivering the biggest fourth-quarter comeback in franchise history with a stunning rally.

The Titans cornerback intercepted two passes and had a 23-yard punt return that revived his teammates in the fourth quarter. Then rookie quarterback Young finished off an improbable charge from a 21-point deficit to a 24-21 win over the New York Giants on Sunday.

"Wow," Titans coach Jeff Fisher said when it finally ended.

Young ran for a touchdown and threw for two more in the final 9:35 and finished with a career-high 249 yards passing. Rob Bironas kicked a 49-yard field goal with 6 seconds left to win it.

The final minutes felt like a flashback to the national championship game last January when Young led his Texas Longhorns past Southern California. It's the biggest fourth-quarter comeback by a rookie quarterback ever, topping John Elway's 19-point rally with Denver on Dec. 11, 1983 against Indianapolis for a 21-19 victory, according to Elias Sports Bureau.

"The legend of Vince Young began a long time ago," said Titans receiver Brandon Jones, who caught the TD pass that tied the game.

Young agreed.

"It's a sneak peek of what's to happen not just me, but this team in general," Young said of a club that has won four of its last six in matching last year's victory total with five games left.


After giving up 21 points in the first half, the Titans shored up their defense and found a hero as Vince Young (pictured) led his team to 24 second-half points. Young was 15-of-22 in the second half with no interceptions and caught the run-conscious Giants defense flat-footed. Using the shotgun formation that he was so familiar with at Texas almost exclusively in the second half, Young scored on all four of Tennessee's final possessions. The Giants didn't help their cause with Eli Manning throwing two interceptions in the second half.

The Giants (6-5) lost their third straight in a titanic collapse, and coach Tom Coughlin called it a "terrible shock". They fell a game behind the Dallas Cowboys (7-4) in the NFC East going into next week's game in the Meadowlands.

"I don't have the words to talk about it right now, and I probably won't when I see it. We're going to be sick about this one forever," Coughlin said.

The comeback topped the Titans' previous best fourth-quarter rally from 15 points on Nov. 1, 1987, against Cincinnati. It was the biggest in the NFL since Indianapolis came back from 21 down in the fourth period at Tampa Bay on Oct. 6, 2003, and won 38-25.

New York led 21-0 with in the second quarter. But the Giants didn't score again, and Jones got the Titans (4-7) into the game when he intercepted Eli Manning's pass with 12:55 left.

Young tossed a 4-yard TD pass to Bo Scaife nine plays later. Earlier in the drive, Giants cornerback Frank Walker drew a personal foul for a high hit on Young as the quarterback ran out of bounds short of a first down on fourth-and-9 in Giants territory.

"Was it a forearm to the head, or was it helmet to helmet?" Coughlin asked. "What was it? That was stupid. It was a bad play."

The Titans forced the Giants to punt, and Jones almost dared New York to kick toward him. Jeff Feagles did, and Jones returned it 23 yards.

Jones, who has not talked to reporters since Oct. 4, did not speak after the game. His teammates couldn't stop talking about him.

"To me, this guy is like an arcade game," Young said. "You see him on the punt return. When a guy is getting tackled, he spins out and makes a play ... You can't coach that."


Young himself scored on a 1-yard run, throwing the ball into the stands.

Tennessee forced New York to punt once more, this time out of bounds and away from Jones.

Young then drove the Titans 76 yards in eight plays. The big play came on fourth-and-10, when Giants rookie Mathias Kiwanuka had Young wrapped up for a sack, but let him go, only to see him scramble upfield 19 yards for a first down.

"Thank God for letting me loose," Young said.

Elias Says

The Giants were only the third team in NFL history to lose a game in which it led by 21 points or more with 10 minutes or less to play.
• For more Elias Says, Click here.


Manning, whose shaky play in the past two losses had people questioning his confidence, had his chance to stop Tennessee's comeback. But Jones jumped up and grabbed a pass intended for David Tyree at midfield.

"A bad decision on my part," Manning said of throwing the ball instead of playing it safe.

With 23 seconds left, Young looked like a seasoned veteran as he completed two short passes and set up Bironas for the winning field goal. Bironas already had missed a 48-yarder wide right, and this time he had to kick off a bad snap.

But the ball went through.

The Giants had 3 seconds to try and lateral a short kickoff around the field before James Butler was tackled.

Young also ran 10 times for a team-high 69 yards, and the Titans outgained New York 343-287 even though the Giants held the ball for more than 33 minutes.

This loss will only increase the pressure on the defending NFC East champs. Manning was 18-of-28 for 143 yards. Tiki Barber, who had called for more touches after getting only 10 carries in last Monday night's loss at Jacksonville, had 25 carries for 82 yards. He now has topped 1,000 yards in five straight seasons and six of the last seven.

The Giants seemingly had this game won after forcing two fumbles and turning them into 14 points. Manning threw for a TD, and Brandon Jacobs ran for two himself.

But then came the fourth-quarter collapse.
 

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I watched that game, Vince and Pacman completely destroyed them at the end of the game. It was a great one.
 

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Bungarian;2047337 said:
Giant fans are worse. One guy said that he would never be reinstated and others say he is not a great conerback.


Neither of those statements are outrageous. With the latest extortion saga, there is a chance that Jones is never reinstated. A slight chance, but a chance nonetheless. That's why Jerry Jones had the out built into the deal with the Titans.

And the second statement is absolutely correct. Jones is not a great corner. He's got a chance to develop into one, but he's not at the "great" level yet. He's very similar to DeAngelo Hall in that a few big returns that make the highlights have fans thinking he's something he's not and also like Hall, he's not a great corner.
 

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Bungarian;2047337 said:
Giant fans are worse. One guy said that he would never be reinstated and others say he is not a great conerback.
Thank God no one around here was saying that.
 

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StanleySpadowski;2047451 said:
Neither of those statements are outrageous. With the latest extortion saga, there is a chance that Jones is never reinstated. A slight chance, but a chance nonetheless. That's why Jerry Jones had the out built into the deal with the Titans.

And the second statement is absolutely correct. Jones is not a great corner. He's got a chance to develop into one, but he's not at the "great" level yet. He's very similar to DeAngelo Hall in that a few big returns that make the highlights have fans thinking he's something he's not and also like Hall, he's not a great corner.
He's ten times better today than he ever was before, just read the posts.:bang2:
 

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to be fair, his metrics in '06 were great

Hall never had metrics even approaching those, and Jones will only be getting a quarter of his salary
 

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Bungarian;2047337 said:
Giant fans are worse. One guy said that he would never be reinstated and others say he is not a great conerback.

I wouldn't say he is a great corner either.

I dont even think i'd say he was top 5.

His Rookie year he wasn't very good and his 2nd year he was an outstanding player.

He still has a lot to prove and rust to knock off but hes a very young player and still has a lot to learn.

Hopefully Goodell lets him start working out with the team ASAP.
 

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so if he is available for 15 or less games cause of suspension, then the Cowboys keep their conditional pick? and if so, do they also get that pick from Tennessee?
 

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StanleySpadowski;2047451 said:
Neither of those statements are outrageous. With the latest extortion saga, there is a chance that Jones is never reinstated. A slight chance, but a chance nonetheless. That's why Jerry Jones had the out built into the deal with the Titans.

And the second statement is absolutely correct. Jones is not a great corner. He's got a chance to develop into one, but he's not at the "great" level yet. He's very similar to DeAngelo Hall in that a few big returns that make the highlights have fans thinking he's something he's not and also like Hall, he's not a great corner.

You havent looked at his stats. look at the league punt return stats from 2006 and get back to me. He had a better average then everyone including Hester and only Hester took more to the house.

Also look at Joyner's scientific football 2006 and see how he ranks in success percentage and YPA and again get back to me. He was top 5 in both.

Exactly what are you basing your evaluations on?
 

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CATCH17;2047465 said:
I wouldn't say he is a great corner either.

I dont even think i'd say he was top 5.

His Rookie year he wasn't very good and his 2nd year he was an outstanding player.

He still has a lot to prove and rust to knock off but hes a very young player and still has a lot to learn.

Hopefully Goodell lets him start working out with the team ASAP.

He's still eons better than Jacque Reeves though, and thats all that really matters

David
 

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StanleySpadowski;2047451 said:
And the second statement is absolutely correct. Jones is not a great corner. He's got a chance to develop into one, but he's not at the "great" level yet. He's very similar to DeAngelo Hall in that a few big returns that make the highlights have fans thinking he's something he's not and also like Hall, he's not a great corner.

The big difference is Jones doesnt get beat anywhere near as much as Hall has/does...so I dont see the comparison

David
 

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Biggems;2047478 said:
so if he is available for 15 or less games cause of suspension, then the Cowboys keep their conditional pick? and if so, do they also get that pick from Tennessee?

We gave them our 4th this year. If he plays, we give them a 6th next year. If he doesn't play we get a pick from Tennessee in 2009 (rumored to be a 4th), not in 2008. The draft is less than three days away, Goodell isn't going to reinstate Jones till July.
 

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dbair1967;2047734 said:
He's still eons better than Jacque Reeves though, and thats all that really matters

David
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Hopefully we will draft a CB Saturday (in case Pacman melts down) that should be eons better than Reeves also. Teams that go three wide against us should know there isn't a weak CB out there to pick on.
 

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Bungarian;2047337 said:
Giant fans are worse. One guy said that he would never be reinstated and others say he is not a great conerback.

they are haters......shake them off!
 

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big dog cowboy;2047745 said:
:bow:

Hopefully we will draft a CB Saturday (in case Pacman melts down) that should be eons better than Reeves also. Teams that go three wide against us should know there isn't a weak CB out there to pick on.

I was thinking the same we might just have turned our biggest weakness into one of our biggest strengths
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;2047667 said:
You havent looked at his stats. look at the league punt return stats from 2006 and get back to me. He had a better average then everyone including Hester and only Hester took more to the house.

Also look at Joyner's scientific football 2006 and see how he ranks in success percentage and YPA and again get back to me. He was top 5 in both.

Exactly what are you basing your evaluations on?


This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. I say he isn't a great corner and the first thing you reply with is "punt returns". Just because a player is really good at one thing, don't assume he's really good at something else.

As for Joyner's numbers, there's a lot of debate about how he comes up with them among serious football fans/numbers guys. There's a lot of "interpretation" going on when there shouldn't be.

Jones is a good corner with a chance to be special. He isn't great yet and has a year of rust but some people seem to expect Deion Sanders in his prime.
 
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