Terence Newman with Mike Doocy - 5/26/08

[lockster]

Bashing Roy for football isn't the same as bashing him as a human. He just needs to play better. I don't know him personally, and don't know enough about him to make a personal judgement, but I would like to see better play or his leaving.

 

[theebs]

It used to be Quincy carter

Then it was Vinny testaverde

then it was Drew Bledsoe

Then it was Bill Parcells

Now it is roy williams.

They dominate the offseason. Until the first preseason game is played and we get to see stanback, choice, jones, bennet etc...play its going to be all roy all the time.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

It used to be Quincy carter

Then it was Vinny testaverde

then it was Drew Bledsoe

Then it was Bill Parcells

Now it is roy williams.

They dominate the offseason. Until the first preseason game is played and we get to see stanback, choice, jones, bennet etc...play its going to be all roy all the time.

when you're right, you're right

except for Roy has been a hot topic for the past 2 years:

 

[dargonking999]

when you're right, you're right

except for Roy has been a hot topic for the past 2 years:

Nah, there was someone always above him, but this season, its just Roy, and Roy only

 

[Idgit]

I'd can't wait for some of them to put a spin on this.

They'll say you're taking quotes from the interview massively out of context.

 

[AdamJT13]

Here's the transcript (I left out most of the times Newman said "y'know" "um," etc., but it's otherwise word-for-word) --

Doocy: You've been a teammate of Roy Williams for a long time right now, and you know it's somewhat fashionable to take shots at Roy. His coverage skills obviously are shaky at times. Do you see .. what do you see is his future with this football team and are you worried about Roy Williams in any way right now in terms of his confidence or how he feels he belongs on this football team?

Newman: I don't .. you know, the funny thing is Roy had, coming into his rookie year, I think he had five picks and he showed that he could cover. I mean, he's the same guy, I think he just sometimes gets kind of a deer-in-the-headlights type of reaction to some plays, just gets caught. You know, not everybody's going to have a perfect season. He had a bad season last year as far as coverage, but I think he's doing the things he needs to do to get back on track.

Doocy: Do you think he is a liability back there, or do you think he can be back into a position where he is a strength for that secondary?

Newman: Nah, I definitely don't think he's a liability. I mean, everybody's got something to work on. You can never be at a point where you can feel comfortable with what you're going on the football field. He just realizes what he has to work on. He's been trying to ... stay ... keep his weight down and work with the weight room ... in the weight room, getting stronger. He knows what he has to do.

 

[Nav22]

And the fact that Roy says he stopped delivering big hits since dedicating his life to God... shall we continue sweeping that under the rug?

He doesn't appear to be a motivated football player, and that's the biggest issue. I don't know what can fix that.

As for Newman saying Roy is NOT a liability... please. If you have a bad season with coverage, that means you were a liability... especially since the big hits are no longer a part of his repertoire.

Newman indirectly threw him under the bus, and turned down the offer to do it directly since that would have caused MAJOR drama.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

TNew just stating his opinion.

 

[SMCowboy]

And the fact that Roy says he stopped delivering big hits since dedicating his life to God... shall we continue sweeping that under the rug?

He doesn't appear to be a motivated football player, and that's the biggest issue. I don't know what can fix that.

As for Newman saying Roy is NOT a liability... please. If you have a bad season with coverage, that means you were a liability... especially since the big hits are no longer a part of his repertoire.

Newman indirectly threw him under the bus, and turned down the offer to do it directly since that would have caused MAJOR drama.

Having a poor year in coverage and being a liability are to completely different things.

The problem with the board between the Roy Williams "lovers" and "haters", is that both sides feel that the other takes the extreme.

The only time I have ever heard anyone say Roy Williams had even a good year, much less a great year last year is from the "haters" group tring to put words into the "lovers" groups mouth.

Roy Williams definately did NOT have one of his better years last year. But, he was also far from a liability in the secondary and the worst safety in the league like many on this board try and portray him as. And no, he definately did NOT play up to his contract last year. That said, there are a whole lot worst safety's in the league as well and we could do a whole lot worse than having Roy Williams as our SS.

Are there concerns about Roy's play, absolutely. We are paying him like he is one of the top 2 or 3 safeties in the league and he has played more like a middle of the pack to above average safety the last year and a half to two years. Does he need to play better this year, or atleast risk being a cap casualty next year? Absolutely, we can't afford to continually pay Roy Williams TOP 5 safety money and only get solid but not great play out of him. That said this year alone (since we have the money under the salary cap) are we a better team with him than we are without him? Absolutely we are.

 

[odog422]

if tnew says he's a liability in coverage he's also saying he's a bad player. he just said he had an off season by saying he was bad in coverage last year. I think he knows a little bit about coverage. if he says he's a liability he starts drama.

So how about we don't blow it up further than it is and how about we don't spin it off as it doesn't really mean anything because he said Roy wasn't a liability in the secondary.

Read my lips: Roy had a poor season last year in coverage. No spining by one side and no piling on by the other side.

I'll start by saying you can have the last word because I've learned that in Roy debates, if you aren't anti-Roy it's pointless to argue with someone who is. That said, I just felt compelled to note how when there is a quote that attributes negatively to Roy, those against him are ready to stand on it and quote it ad nauseum.

However, when a coach or player outright refutes a direct question that suggests Roy is a "liability" in this case, or some other wholly negative influence, it is dismissed as "he's lying" or "he's spinning."

How about, maybe, that the person being questioned simply doesn't think what is being asked is true?

I'm like Woody's Girl, for Roy. I do think he can and would like to see him play better. But I'm a fan of the team first, and I really don't recall him losing games for us. Although I can think of a couple games off the top he won for us.

Lack of pass rush when needed, inability to run the ball consistently, things like that I see are true problems. But I don't deny anyone their right to beef. I'm just amazed sometimes, although not so much anymore, at the lengths some will go to "prove" how Roy is God awful. I mean really. It's astounding. That really is the point of my post. Just an observation.

 

[odog422]

Having a poor year in coverage and being a liability are to completely different things.

The problem with the board between the Roy Williams "lovers" and "haters", is that both sides feel that the other takes the extreme.

The only time I have ever heard anyone say Roy Williams had even a good year, much less a great year last year is from the "haters" group tring to put words into the "lovers" groups mouth.

Roy Williams definately did NOT have one of his better years last year. But, he was also far from a liability in the secondary and the worst safety in the league like many on this board try and portray him as. And no, he definately did NOT play up to his contract last year. That said, there are a whole lot worst safety's in the league as well and we could do a whole lot worse than having Roy Williams as our SS.

Are there concerns about Roy's play, absolutely. We are paying him like he is one of the top 2 or 3 safeties in the league and he has played more like a middle of the pack to above average safety the last year and a half to two years. Does he need to play better this year, or atleast risk being a cap casualty next year? Absolutely, we can't afford to continually pay Roy Williams TOP 5 safety money and only get solid but not great play out of him. That said this year alone (since we have the money under the salary cap) are we a better team with him than we are without him? Absolutely we are.

Agreed.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I'm glad Newman called him out, as one of the true leaders on the defense he's earned that right. I've said for a few years now that Roy Williams is extremely overrated in the eyes of quite a few fellow Cowboy fans...

 

[Alexander]

He also said Roy isn't a liability in the secondary.

I've yet to see anyone say Roy played great in 2007, but I've seen a lot of folks claim that he's a liability.

It is a matter of definition. And his response was appropriate given the question asked.

He's not a liability. Even his harshest critic has to acknowledge a touch of hypobole if they state that.

A liability is someone like Keith Davis, Lynn Scott or Tony Dixon.

However, he certainly is not an asset if you want to go to the other end of the spectrum.

Imagine if Terrence Newman was asked if he was an asset. Given his other comments about a bad season and deer in the headlights, he'd pretty much have to answer in a less positive fashion.

 

[Alexander]

And the fact that Roy says he stopped delivering big hits since dedicating his life to God... shall we continue sweeping that under the rug?

He doesn't appear to be a motivated football player, and that's the biggest issue. I don't know what can fix that.

As for Newman saying Roy is NOT a liability... please. If you have a bad season with coverage, that means you were a liability... especially since the big hits are no longer a part of his repertoire.

Newman indirectly threw him under the bus, and turned down the offer to do it directly since that would have caused MAJOR drama.

God has nothing to do with it. Some of the most brutal players ever were devout. If finding religion made him soft, that's a personal issue not something related to faith.

 

[tomson75]

Well alrighty then. TNew says RW had a bad year in coverage. I guess he doesn't know how to read stats and watch film.

But you can rest assured the RW apologists are the best in the business

I'd can't wait for some of them to put a spin on this.

Did you knuckleheads even listen to this? If anything, Newman only reiterated the exact same things the "apologists" have been screaming into your deaf ears for months.

Seriously. Come on, you guys are quality posters here, but using this as some sort of battle cry for the Roy haters club is a bit much.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Well alrighty then. TNew says RW had a bad year in coverage. I guess he doesn't know how to read stats and watch film.

Is that his exact words and do you have to read between the lines?

If someone could do a recap, it would be well appreciated.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Did you knuckleheads even listen to this? If anything, Newman only reiterated the exact same things the "apologists" have been screaming into your deaf ears for months.

Seriously. Come on, you guys are quality posters here, but using this as some sort of battle cry for the Roy haters club is a bit much.

Calling them knuckleheads and quality posters in the same post is a bit much .

 

[AdamJT13]

If someone could do a recap, it would be well appreciated.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2095243&postcount=26

Here's the transcript (I left out most of the times Newman said "y'know" "um," etc., but it's otherwise word-for-word) --

Doocy: You've been a teammate of Roy Williams for a long time right now, and you know it's somewhat fashionable to take shots at Roy. His coverage skills obviously are shaky at times. Do you see .. what do you see is his future with this football team and are you worried about Roy Williams in any way right now in terms of his confidence or how he feels he belongs on this football team?

Newman: I don't .. you know, the funny thing is Roy had, coming into his rookie year, I think he had five picks and he showed that he could cover. I mean, he's the same guy, I think he just sometimes gets kind of a deer-in-the-headlights type of reaction to some plays, just gets caught. You know, not everybody's going to have a perfect season. He had a bad season last year as far as coverage, but I think he's doing the things he needs to do to get back on track.

Doocy: Do you think he is a liability back there, or do you think he can be back into a position where he is a strength for that secondary?

Newman: Nah, I definitely don't think he's a liability. I mean, everybody's got something to work on. You can never be at a point where you can feel comfortable with what you're going on the football field. He just realizes what he has to work on. He's been trying to ... stay ... keep his weight down and work with the weight room ... in the weight room, getting stronger. He knows what he has to do.

 

[tomson75]

Calling them knuckleheads and quality posters in the same post is a bit much .

Personally, I find the term endearing.

My pop called me that particular term for 18 years on a daily basis. Think Al Bundy meets Homer Simpson meets Major Dad meets Bill Cosby meets the dad from That 70's Show....with an engineering degree from the Naval Academy....and "knucklehead" seems rather appropriate.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Thanks for the recap AdamJT.

I really enjoyed Terence Newman's candor and frankness when discussing such a polemical issued.

Personally, I think the best quote in the entire interviews is:

I mean, everybody's got something to work on. You can never be at a point where you can feel comfortable with what you're going on the football field.

My contention has always been that just about every football player that takes the field has some type of weakness and opposing coordinators are going to try and exploit it.

Roy Williams' has a weakness but as Terence Newman stated, the guy is trying to work on it.