Terence Newman

KJJ;3758911 said:
So I guess you just keep responding because you enjoy my company? LOL The fact is I've made some very good points that you can't refute. :toast:




There is a reason he's pushing 33 and he's a number of nagging injuries through the years and it's all resulted in a decline in his play. This happens to older players.

It's never been easy playing CB in the NFL but it's gotten alot more difficult in recent years with the rule changes.

Years ago corners could bump receivers all the way down the field now they can't touch them after 5 yards. The rules favor the offense to promote scoring.

With the bigger faster receivers we see in todays game a corner has to be at the top of their game and have youth on their side or they'll be abused.




What's more likely is he's suffered alot of little nagging injuries through the years and with his advancing age it's taken it's toll.

He's clearly not as fast as he once was and this was evident as far back as 07.

He picked off a pass against Bufflao and had 70 yards of daylight between him and the endzone with no one within 10 yards of him and was run down immediately by 2 players one was an RB. There was alot of talk about it at the time.

In 08 against the Steelers Newman made one slight mistake biting on a move by Santonio Holmes and Holmes flew right past him beating him for a 47 yard gain that helped turn that game around for the Steelers.

Earlier in Newman's career he had good recovery speed in the event a receiver got by him which enabled him to catch up and make a play on the ball at the very end.

This is no longer the case he makes one slight mistake now and he's toast!



I have a perfect understanding of what's going on Newman is an aging player who's in decline and you and several others are doing nothing but claiming his subpar play is a result of injury.

According to you apologists he's too hurt to play making it sound like if he was 100% healthy he could blanket any receiver in the league and would be playing at a pro bowl level.

Do you honestly believe he has the same speed now that he had when he came into the league? Like I keep saying I haven't heard anyone close to the Cowboys say Newman is injured right now.




I've given you one fact for his degradation he's getting older unless you have a study that shows football players get faster and their skills improve after the age of 32. LOL

With Newman saying an injury has resulted in his subpar play is an excuse. He suffered his first injury in late Oct but prior to that injury he still had receivers running past him. Explain that?

You could clearly see in replays that receivers were able to separate from him and make plays on him prior to the 2 injuries he suffered.

This shoots down the injury excuse you apologists have been chanting. He suffered his ankle injury Nov 14th and it wasn't the dreaded high ankle sprain.

It's been almsot 8 weeks since he hurt his ribs and and almost 6 weeks since he hurt his ankle you apologists keep using those injuries as an excuse for his subpar play.

You don't seem to understand that if he was being hampered by these injuries it would come up during the weekly press conferences and Newman would be asked about it.

His injuries are only being used as an excuse here by a bunch of armchair fans who are looking for excuses and can't come to grips that he's in decline.



Dez was injured alot worse than Newman he had a high ankle sprain which is one of the most feared injuries because it can hamper a player for an entire season. Alot of focus was put on his injuries and not so with Newman.

That high ankle sprain cost Dez almost all of training camp and all of preseason. He ended up tweaking that same ankle during the season that caused him to limp off the field late in a game. He even suffered an injury to the other ankle that left him questionable a few days prior to a game.

He ended up returning a punt 91 yards on two bad ankles. The big difference between Dez and Newman is in age there's 11 years that separate them.

If injuries that happened WEEKS ago are affecting Newman's play so much that it's caused this decline in his ability then finding his replacement needs to be one of the Cowboys top priorities.

If every little tweak is going to cause his play to drop way off we need to start looking for his replacement because his he'll be hobbling again at some point next season.

My main argument is that Newman hasn't played well this season and is part of the problem in our secondary. You seem to agree except you're blaming his subpar play totally on injuries.

Dude he was healthy early this season I mentioned this earlier and receivers were still able to separate from him and make plays.

Regardless if it's injuries, age or whatever Newman's play has declined!




Do me a favor and go find someone other than a Newman apologist from this board that says an ankle injury he suffered almost 6 weeks ago has seriously degraded his performance.

Could it have been an injury from 2 years ago that's still nagging him that degraded his performance the first 8 games this season? :rolleyes: LOL

He had receivers getting by him all game long vs Green Bay a week prior to injuring his ankle.

So let me guess it was the ribs he hurt in Oct that caused his issues in that game?




I've said repeatedly that players play injured all the time but if a player is too injured to play like some are saying about Newman they wouldn't be playing.

Teams aren't going to play a player who's totally ineffective due to injury. If you're going to keep responding to me at least read my posts!

I understand that if a players performance is being hampered by an injury it's going to be brought up by the media and the coach and the player will also address it.




Of course not because it would be just someone's else's opinion but at least it would give you Newman apologists someone more credible than another armchair fan from this board who's crying that he's injured.

I'm not about to drop anything off of one person's opinion when it comes to football. Now if Newman was made inactive the final 2 games and Garrett explains he's just too injured to play THEN I'll drop it.

That would be solid proof that he hasn't been healthy. I don't back down from any position I have off of someone else's opinion. You keep saying my argument is flimsy then what's my argument?

Tell me exactly what my argument is and let's see you shoot it down. Don't cop out with more excuses it makes you look wishy washy.



We've been arguing for 2 days because there's nothing to debate here? :rolleyes: :laugh2: Newman being repeatedly beaten this season is a FACT! The only specualtion is coming from you and a few other Newman apologists who are blaming his subpar play on injury.




Anyone who posts stats comparing Newman with Darrell Green, Champ Bailey and Ronnie Lott are going to be discounted. :toast:




You fail to realize you keep making excuses because you can't refute anything I've said. Dude you've agreed with alot of things I've said except you're using injuries as an excuse.




Look, if you want to believe Newman is hurt then go ahead. Do whatever makes you feel better.




No one can prove me wrong that Newman hasn't been part of the problem in our secondary. Everything else regarding injuries is pure speculation.




I've given you pages of solid points and you can't debunk any of them that's why you keep making excuses and won't challenge me. :toast:



You opinion is pure speculation. Like I said earlier regardless of injury, age or whatever Newman is not the solid dependable player he was a few years ago.




You're agreeing with me more and more as we go. Looks like I'm slowly convincing you hopefully it won't be another few days before you come to complete grips with his decline.

He didn't suddenly slow down go read what I said earlier.



Stats comparing Newman to Darrell Green, Champ Bailey and Ronnie Lott are going to fly. LOL



Sure you are because I've finally convinced you he's in decline. :toast: At least this hasn't been a complete waste of time. LOL



My original quotes have you agreeing with me for the most part. We were miles apart until I got you to finally start seeing the light.

:lmao2: :lmao: :cool: It's a mental time warp to realize the same mouth that ushered in that. Well, was the one running on about drivel, lack of applied English ability, as well as unsightful harm to his own eyes. From the same facial orifice at that....:splat: :gassy2: :blind:
 
CCBoy;3758914 said:
:lmao2: :lmao: :cool: It's a mental time warp to realize the same mouth that ushered in that. Well, was the one running on about drivel, lack of applied English ability, as well as unsightful harm to his own eyes. From the same facial orifice at that....:splat: :gassy2: :blind:

You can't even post anything legible in 2 sentences. You should find something to entertain yourself that doesn't involve the use of the English language. :zipit:
 
CCBoy;3758913 said:
KJJ is too tame and lame to get uptight about. He makes more of a case for freehand loving than he does in presenting a case about football. His motives are always distorted, so any desire to manhandle the intellectual results of that bad tasting bath wash are nill...void, zilch.

Why discuss with a blatant fool, when he will only attempt to drag you down to his level and beat you to death with ignorance. Foolish is signing up for that trip to begin with...:cool:

I have you so uptight you're testing the limits here. I'll like this board and will refrain from heading towards the cliff you're approaching.
 
KJJ;3758911 said:
So I guess you just keep responding because you enjoy my company? LOL The fact is I've made some very good points that you can't refute. :toast:

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.:cool:


My original quotes have you agreeing with me for the most part. We were miles apart until I got you to finally start seeing the light.

I'm not going point for point with you again. It is clearly a waste of time. I'm not going to attempt to refute anything you've said as you cannot be reasonably debated with on any kind of real intellectual level. Anyone who has taken a basic debate course would tell you the same.

Someone mentioned reading comprehension earlier. I've wasted too much of my valuable time to go back and peruse to see if this was directed at you. If it was, take heed. If it wasn't, take heed anyways.

I agree that his play has declined and have maintained that from the beginning. That's exactly where our agreement ends. Don't lump me in with anyone saying he's playing at a Pro Bowl level, please. I've never said anything remotely like that so let's not add that little bonus in. Try not to just universally apply the "apologist" label to everybody you decide to "debate" with--including what you believe every "apologist" believes. Try to debate the points, not your perceived stereotype. Thanks!

He's still serviceable. He shut down D. Jackson last year. You honestly think that he flipped a switch and "lost a step?" Age is a factor, especially with the healing process, but I don't think you attribute the "abrupt" change in play to half of year of aging.

Please go do just a little bit of research on the phases of healing, and note the length of time that can be involved. Also, specifically note that rib cartilage injuries can be especially nagging unless you are able to rest. I say this because it's obvious that you get your musculoskeletal injury information from media, etc. The "dreaded" high ankle sprain (I always laugh when I see this) can be (and in many cases is) less severe than your typical inversion sprain. Severity is the key here. Just because you see "high ankle sprain" doesn't dictate that it is automatically more severe than your typical sprain.

The bottom line of all this is, you're just speculating, as am I. You cannot prove your opinion anymore than I can. The sooner you realize that, the better off everyone will be. I'm going to follow Jobberone's lead and allow you the last word. Good luck in your fight to rid the world of the evil TNew!
 
wow cannot believe you guys are still working this one. It reminds me of some of the old Quincy threads with Kartr.
 
PBJTime;3758968 said:
I'm not going point for point with you again. It is clearly a waste of time. I'm not going to attempt to refute anything you've said as you cannot be reasonably debated with on any kind of real intellectual level. Anyone who has taken a basic debate course would tell you the same.

Like I keep saying you can't refute anything I've said you know it and I know it.

It's clear I have you frustrated so move on before you have a meltdown that makes national headlines.

PBJTime;3758968 said:
mentioned reading comprehension earlier. I've wasted too much of my valuable time to go back and peruse to see if this was directed at you. If it was, take heed. If it wasn't, take heed anyways.

I agree that his play has declined and have maintained that from the beginning. That's exactly where our agreement ends. Don't lump me in with anyone saying he's playing at a Pro Bowl level, please. I've never said anything remotely like that so let's not add that little bonus in. Try not to just universally apply the "apologist" label to everybody you decide to "debate" with--including what you believe every "apologist" believes. Try to debate the points, not your perceived stereotype. Thanks!

The one who mentioned reading comprehension claimed he never called Newman a "substandard" player and I went back and showed him his quote in bold black print and proved that he did.

He couldn't even remember what he said 24 hrs ago and he's claiming I can't comprehend. :rolleyes: LOL Your reading comprehension isn't any better than his because I never accused you of saying Newman was playing at a pro bowl level.

Here's my quote "According to you apologists he's too hurt to play making it sound like if he was 100% healthy he could blanket any receiver in the league and would be playing at a pro bowl level." Just more proof it's you apologists who can't comprehend. :toast:

I am debating the points and your a Newman apologist who keeps using injuries as an excuse for his subpar play this season.

I'm sure if he suffered a hang nail opening day you and the rest of the apologists would be using that as an excuse to defend Newman's subpar play. :laugh2:


PBJTime;3758968 said:
He's still serviceable. He shut down D. Jackson last year. You honestly think that he flipped a switch and "lost a step?" Age is a factor, especially with the healing process, but I don't think you attribute the "abrupt" change in play to half of year of aging.

Serviceable players only get you so far. What Newman did last season to Desean Jackson means absolutely nothing this year.

Jackson was only in his second season last year going up against a seasoned veteran corner. The fact is Jackson has gotten better and Newman has declined.

One player is going up and the other is going down care to argue that? Of course you don't. :toast: Alot can change for a player in a year Shaun Alexander went from an 1800 yard back and MVP in 05 to not even cracking 900 yards the following season.

He went from the best back in football in 05 to completely washed up and out of the league by 08.

Newman has played with nagging injuries in the past that weren't speculated they were fact and he was never beaten like he's been beaten this season.


PBJTime;3758968 said:
Please go do just a little bit of research on the phases of healing, and note the length of time that can be involved.

Why don't you go do some research and see if you can find anything that claims he's hurt. It's you apologists who are claiming he's hurt.


PBJTime;3758968 said:
Just because you see "high ankle sprain" doesn't dictate that it is automatically more severe than your typical sprain.

They almost always are in football because most players miss several games after suffering one. Most can play on a typical sprain right after suffering one. They just tape them up and send them back out.


PBJTime;3758968 said:
The bottom line of all this is, you're just speculating, as am I. You cannot prove your opinion anymore than I can. The sooner you realize that, the better off everyone will be. I'm going to follow Jobberone's lead and allow you the last word. Good luck in your fight to rid the world of the evil TNew!

You're the one who's speculating about injury. The point is he's not playing at a level that he needs to be playing at for the Cowboys to be successful and that goes for a number of players on the team.

That's not speculation it's fact! Now run along so this thread can die peacefully until the next time Newman gets beat and another one appears.
 
KJJ;3759045 said:
Like I keep saying you can't refute anything I've said you know it and I know it.

It's clear I have you frustrated so move on before you have a meltdown that makes national headlines.



The one who mentioned reading comprehension claimed he never called Newman a "substandard" player and I went back and showed him his quote in bold black print and proved that he did.

He couldn't even remember what he said 24 hrs ago and he's claiming I can't comprehend. :rolleyes: LOL Your reading comprehension isn't any better than his because I never accused you of saying Newman was playing at a pro bowl level.

Here's my quote "According to you apologists he's too hurt to play making it sound like if he was 100% healthy he could blanket any receiver in the league and would be playing at a pro bowl level." Just more proof it's you apologists who can't comprehend. :toast:

I am debating the points and your a Newman apologist who keeps using injuries as an excuse for his subpar play this season.

I'm sure if he suffered a hang nail opening day you and the rest of the apologists would be using that as an excuse to defend Newman's subpar play. :laugh2:




Serviceable players only get you so far. What Newman did last season to Desean Jackson means absolutely nothing this year.

Jackson was only in his second season last year going up against a seasoned veteran corner. The fact is Jackson has gotten better and Newman has declined.

One player is going up and the other is going down care to argue that? Of course you don't. :toast: Alot can change for a player in a year Shaun Alexander went from an 1800 yard back and MVP in 05 to not even cracking 900 yards the following season.

He went from the best back in football in 05 to completely washed up and out of the league by 08.

Newman has played with nagging injuries in the past that weren't speculated they were fact and he was never beaten like he's been beaten this season.




Why don't you go do some research and see if you can find anything that claims he's hurt. It's you apologists who are claiming he's hurt.




They almost always are in football because most players miss several games after suffering one. Most can play on a typical sprain right after suffering one. They just tape them up and send them back out.




You're the one who's speculating about injury. The point is he's not playing at a level that he needs to be playing at for the Cowboys to be successful and that goes for a number of players on the team.

That's not speculation it's fact! Now run along so this thread can die peacefully until the next time Newman gets beat and another one appears.

That's an out and out lie. I said his play has been substandard for him this year. I never called him a substandard player. The only thing you've proven is you are a liar.

Time for the ignore feature. You have no credibility.
 
burmafrd;3758990 said:
wow cannot believe you guys are still working this one. It reminds me of some of the old Quincy threads with Kartr.
Now that guy had a 1 track mind.
 
Just a quick thought, KJJ. Learn how to logically debate and people may actually take you seriously. What you consider "debating" is comical. You're out of your league on these forums. It's a clear case of "you don't know what you don't know."

That is all. Class dismissed.
 
jobberone;3759079 said:
That's an out and out lie. I said his play has been substandard for him this year. I never called him a substandard player. The only thing you've proven is you are a liar.

Time for the ignore feature. You have no credibility.

This....very few people that cling to the "Newman Sux" bandwagon have ANY credibility.

If everyone would just put these clowns on ignore....
 
tomson75;3759247 said:
This....very few people that cling to the "Newman Sux" bandwagon have ANY credibility.

If everyone would just put these clowns on ignore....

Yes, put everyone on ignore that doesn't agree with you at all times. The audacity of some people..

:laugh2:
 
jobberone;3759079 said:
That's an out and out lie. I said his play has been substandard for him this year. I never called him a substandard player. The only thing you've proven is you are a liar.

Time for the ignore feature. You have no credibility.


I have no credibility? :confused: :rolleyes: Dude you're the one with no credibility it's already been proven because you're continuing to deny you called Newman a "substandard player" when your quote showing that you did has already been posted.

If you want to continue looking foolish go ahead and keep calling me a liar denying it because it proves who's the one having trouble with comprehension.

It's pretty amusing that you can't even remember what you said 3 days ago but have the nerve to say I can't comprehend what I read. :rolleyes: :laugh2:

Hate to do it to you on Christmas eve Mr Grinch but here's your quote AGAIN "The problem here is not having someone to take his place. He shouldn't be trying to play CB. It's quite obvious he can't keep up. The reason they put a substandard player on the field is because he's still the best person for the job. That's a sad fact. We didn't keep enough decent CBs on the team this year. The position was badly played."

If you still think I'm lying click on the link to your post which is on page 6 post #80 and read it and weep! :toast:

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=201821&page=6
 
PBJTime;3759216 said:
Just a quick thought, KJJ. Learn how to logically debate and people may actually take you seriously. What you consider "debating" is comical. You're out of your league on these forums. It's a clear case of "you don't know what you don't know."

That is all. Class dismissed.

You won't even attempt to shoot one single hole in anything I've said even though I've shot so many holes in your arguments they look like a fishing net and you're knocking my debating skills? LOL

My arguments have been so solid you've had no choice but to agree with most of them.

I've been debating football topics on boards like this for 9 years.

Bro, I don't set sail unless I've charted my course and am well prepared unlike you and the other 3 Gilligans who just head out to sea and realize you're sinking and have no life boats.

All you've been doing is spewing sour grapes ducking every challenge I've made for you to poke holes in anything I've said.

You've been saying for 2 days my arguments are flimsy but I have you agreeing with almost every argument I've made except for the injury excuses you and the others keep hanging onto for dear life.

All some fans do is look for excuses why the team or certain players aren't performing well instead of coming to grips with reality.

You've said twice you don't have anything to argue about with me and were going to let this go but here you are showing up dusting yourself off again like Wylie Coyote after another crash and burn trying to catch the roadrunner....BEEP BEEP!

You're the one who started this and it's not going to end until they either lock the thread or you move on. I'm more than happy to debate with you but if you're just going to show up to spew sour grapes save it!
 
RoyTheHammer;3759271 said:
Yes, put everyone on ignore that doesn't agree with you at all times. The audacity of some people..

:laugh2:

Except that's not what he said. He said this group of posters has little credibility. If you look at their collective post histories, he's right.
 
KJJ, your arguments are a mess. You're the only one who doesn't realize it. The fact that you're willing to keep making messes until the thread's locked means nothing as far as your argument is concerned.

KJJ;3759398 said:
You won't even attempt to shoot one single hole in anything I've said even though I've shot so many holes in your arguments they look like a fishing net and you're knocking my debating skills? LOL

My arguments have been so solid you've had no choice but to agree with most of them.

I've been debating football topics on boards like this for 9 years.

Bro, I don't set sail unless I've charted my course and am well prepared unlike you and the other 3 Gilligans who just head out to sea and realize you're sinking and have no life boats.

All you've been doing is spewing sour grapes ducking every challenge I've made for you to poke holes in anything I've said.

You've been saying for 2 days my arguments are flimsy but I have you agreeing with almost every argument I've made except for the injury excuses you and the others keep hanging onto for dear life.

All some fans do is look for excuses why the team or certain players aren't performing well instead of coming to grips with reality.

You've said twice you don't have anything to argue about with me and were going to let this go but here you are showing up dusting yourself off again like Wylie Coyote after another crash and burn trying to catch the roadrunner....BEEP BEEP!

You're the one who started this and it's not going to end until they either lock the thread or you move on. I'm more than happy to debate with you but if you're just going to show up to spew sour grapes save it!
 
KJJ;3759398 said:
You won't even attempt to shoot one single hole in anything I've said

Really hard to shoot holes in something that is already riddled with them.
 
Idgit;3759418 said:
KJJ, your arguments are a mess. You're the only one who doesn't realize it. The fact that you're willing to keep making messes until the thread's locked means nothing as far as your argument is concerned.

So far you're the only one on this board who's claimed Newman has played well this season and you're calling my arguments a mess? :confused: :laugh2:

This has gotten so ridiculous it's almost like you and the other two keep showing up to see which one of you I can make look the silliest.

You may have taken the prize thinking Newman has played well this season....congratulations! LOL
 
casmith07;3759437 said:
Really hard to shoot holes in something that is already riddled with them.

Seeing you want to get involved show me the holes? Now I have you on the spot. LOL
 
Idgit;3759416 said:
Except that's not what he said. He said this group of posters has little credibility. If you look at their collective post histories, he's right.

Eh.. i wouldn't waste my time even doing that.

I think he's mistaken first off in thinking that anyone is saying Newman sucks. I just think he's fallen off and has been average at best this year. Hopefully its just the injuries he's been dealing with, but its been more than a few games now, and if his injuries were really that bad and the Cowboys still valued him as one of our best defensive players, i just doubt he'd even be playing right now.

Who knows though, how much they are affecting him. Here's hoping he regains his form next season. Jenkins too.
 

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