Terence Newman

[Idgit]

Face it you can't poke holes in anything I've said concerning Newman so move on!

You wouldn't know a hole if your head were stuck in one.
This thread is proof.

 

[KJJ]

You wouldn't know a hole if your head were stuck in one.
This thread is proof.

Your head is stuck in one and this thread is proof glad I don't see things from your perspective. :toast:

 

[casmith07]

I've haven't been following all your posts on this topic but you seem to think all of us who claim Newman is in decline have an agenda and want him cut.

You won't find one post from me where I want him cut. I don't think he's a horrible player but he's clearly in decline and has been inconsistent. He's going to have to be replaced in the next year or two.

The first players that need to be replaced if our secondary is going to improve are both safeties especially Ball. We went from bad with Hamlin to worse with Ball.

Again, read the thread, and read the opinions of people here, and get back to me.

You can't wait until now when people start trumping stupid opinions with facts to try and get all neutral on it and try and use football-speak. The proof is all over this thread.

Posters have an agenda. It's the way of the world. Nobody said anything about YOU having one until you came swooping in like Captain Butthurt to save the few fools here that WERE putting their agendas on display.

If you don't like being lumped into the same category as the rest of the trolls, get out from under the bridge.

Come on, the mods had to edit the thread title because the OP couldn't even spell the guy's name right. Pathetic.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

:starspin

Lets remember we're all Cowboys fans here. 80 pages of discussion on one player is a little much, especially when we have the same discussion every week it seems. We all have our opinions, and most of them arn't changing. Probably time to shut it down.

 

[KJJ]

Again, read the thread, and read the opinions of people here, and get back to me.

You can't wait until now when people start trumping stupid opinions with facts to try and get all neutral on it and try and use football-speak. The proof is all over this thread.

Posters have an agenda. It's the way of the world. Nobody said anything about YOU having one until you came swooping in like Captain Butthurt to save the few fools here that WERE putting their agendas on display.

If you don't like being lumped into the same category as the rest of the trolls, get out from under the bridge.

So everyone who thinks Newman hasn't played well this season and is in decline are trolls? :laugh2:

You're lumped in with a few apologists who are making excuses for his subpar play while I'm lumped in with a bunch of realists who can see Newman has been inconsistent and isn't the dependable player he use to be.

If some of you can't come to grips that he's is in decline then either you don't watch the games or are in serious denial.

Come on, the mods had to edit the thread title because the OP couldn't even spell the guy's name right. Pathetic.

And that's suppose to shed a bad light on the rest of us who think Newman is in decline? LOL

 

[KJJ]

Again, read the thread, and read the opinions of people here, and get back to me.

I just went through the thread and most don't agree with you that he's a very good corner who's receiving undo criticism.

 

[PBJTime]

Are you saying you agree with his argument that Newman has played well this season despite being repeatedly beaten or did you just show up to blow off some steam? The ones who repeatedly argue with me are the ones who's arguments have been repeatedly shot down by me. I suggest you do some research. If my arguments are so flimsy I challenge you to shoot down some of them. Up for the challenge? :toast: By the way if you're going to quote me don't add your own personal touch to my quote!

I agree that his play has declined this season. I believe he is injured. I provide physical therapy services for a living. A rib injury can result in excruciating pain. I do treat athletes in various sports from time to time. Not every injury is the same and not every person reacts to an injury the same way. The fact that Newman is playing is not proof that his injury isn't affecting him. I don't know how to make that any clearer for you. There's my opinion on it. I don't claim it as fact.

You really don't have any substantial points up for any debate. There is no changing your mind. It's difficult to attempt to debate someone who uses multiple logical fallacies as a crutch. You've already made a preemptive strike regarding any use of stats by attacking anyone who believes the stats that Adam posts. So, you've got that base covered. Then, you consistently fall back on your agreement with the perceived majority. There really is no point in wasting any time trying to objectively debate with you.

Just FYI, I've never had any blind love for Newman. I believe he has been a very solid corner for us and still has some tread left on the tires.

Also, I happen to like my personal touch. It stated about as much information as your original post with a fraction of the words.

 

[CCBoy]

From your jibberish post, it appears you took one too many hit to your noggin. Now, go back to watching Karate Kid. "Wax on, wax off."

The first four letters in the Hebrew alphabet are: aleph, beth , gimmel, dalleth...as if you have ANYTHING intellectual to base a comparison to even a jibberish.

As to the Karate Kid, who's filming had a Japanese actor instructing in Tae Kwon Do, which has it's center of that federation in Korea. No wonder your CD world view would rush to throwing out such ignorant based comparisons as 'holy graile.'

BUT, you probably DO have knowledge involving bikini lines, and use of wax on...wax off. You have to present a neat swim suite line yourself...

You are a living proof as to an insult to base level intelligence can function on the internet. As no actual accountability and the ability to non-stop return to show your ignorance are your strongest abilities.

Maybe you and Ohio State x-ray can get a tag team match going on u-tube, and demonstrate belly hugs to your heart's contents.

But the term of degradation returning to yourself, probably was missed as you removed the wax on your own bikini line...

Old? I guess TO didn't preform at Pro Bowl levels three years removed from the Cowboys. Maybe you should catch up to Darryl Green, who only was the NFL's fastest runner still, after two years of retirement. Following about twenty years of active play....yea, Mr. Wax Line, age kills the treads irreversably at age thirty, as your sun dial indicates.

Oh, a person would be remiss in not warning you of the existence of lunar eclipses as well....since you are well into all forms of rocket science which you rush to display. Here, you just demonstrated a top level of an eclipse...and to think, you didn't understand a thing!

 

[CCBoy]

I agree that his play has declined this season. I believe he is injured. I provide physical therapy services for a living. A rib injury can result in excruciating pain. I do treat athletes in various sports from time to time. Not every injury is the same and not every person reacts to an injury the same way. The fact that Newman is playing is not proof that his injury isn't affecting him. I don't know how to make that any clearer for you. There's my opinion on it. I don't claim it as fact.

You really don't have any substantial points up for any debate. There is no changing your mind. It's difficult to attempt to debate someone who uses multiple logical fallacies as a crutch. You've already made a preemptive strike regarding any use of stats by attacking anyone who believes the stats that Adam posts. So, you've got that base covered. Then, you consistently fall back on your agreement with the perceived majority. There really is no point in wasting any time trying to objectively debate with you.

Just FYI, I've never had any blind love for Newman. I believe he has been a very solid corner for us and still has some tread left on the tires.

Also, I happen to like my personal touch. It stated about as much information as your original post with a fraction of the words.

Agreed, no qualification requirements for the purely internet employed of our society. Your points are target on, as they are real, cause/effect considerations that a logical man considers. Not having a substituted holy tablets inscribed by one's own hands.

No matter what the standards or stats presented, I find it somewhat perplexingly humorous that most teams threw to either Scandrick or even Jenkins, before challenging T New. I guess this must be a new form of the new and improved acient Greek language, to listen to the those basing most upon their own abstract sense of pecking orders on the Cowboys. Listening to them, one has a line in the sand drawn at age thirty, and experience and prior achievements can eternally be replaced with a draft pick....no matter how he relates to the current NFL.

Jenkins refuses to put his body on the line, when challenged in the open field...over two years. Then injured, A New delivers the wood, but that doesn't count because he has reached the Grim Reapor at age 30.

Using that irrevocable ledge of worth, I guess children should start to be conceived at age 12, so that when those children reach 18 and should leave home, it won't be too late for the 'old' parent to send him off into the world.
Since all ends at age 30...or so some believe on the internet. Where reality never has to measure up, if one doesn't wish for it to do so.

 

[CCBoy]

I just went through the thread and most don't agree with you that he's a very good corner who's receiving undo criticism.

You did? Then what are your stats in support of your continued agreements with yourself....?

The whole of the entire defense declined, and you merely are trying to cherry pick a removal group, but based upon decline in production, desire for new faces, and age. But here, all mostly abstractly applied...but with the cheer of a continual - tar bucket and feather bucket, mob mentality.

 

[jobberone]

I've treated professional hockey and soccer players as well as college players.

You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Despite the high probability Newman's substandard play is secondary to his injuries, some would rather attribute it to a sudden decline in play. All this despite the fact he was a Pro Bowl player last year. Their multiple cognitive distortions and willful manipulation of others arguments are side issues. Certainly annoying and frustrating but still side issues.

 

[casmith07]

I agree that his play has declined this season. I believe he is injured. I provide physical therapy services for a living. A rib injury can result in excruciating pain. I do treat athletes in various sports from time to time. Not every injury is the same and not every person reacts to an injury the same way. The fact that Newman is playing is not proof that his injury isn't affecting him. I don't know how to make that any clearer for you. There's my opinion on it. I don't claim it as fact.

You really don't have any substantial points up for any debate. There is no changing your mind. It's difficult to attempt to debate someone who uses multiple logical fallacies as a crutch. You've already made a preemptive strike regarding any use of stats by attacking anyone who believes the stats that Adam posts. So, you've got that base covered. Then, you consistently fall back on your agreement with the perceived majority. There really is no point in wasting any time trying to objectively debate with you.

Just FYI, I've never had any blind love for Newman. I believe he has been a very solid corner for us and still has some tread left on the tires.

Also, I happen to like my personal touch. It stated about as much information as your original post with a fraction of the words.

:clap2:

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I've treated professional hockey and soccer players as well as college players.

You cannot reason with unreasonable people. Despite the high probability Newman's substandard play is secondary to his injuries, some would rather attribute it to a sudden decline in play. All this despite the fact he was a Pro Bowl player last year. Their multiple cognitive distortions and willful manipulation of others arguments are side issues. Certainly annoying and frustrating but still side issues.

He was an injury replacement to be precise.

As far as bruised ribs that he had for a few games, that doesn't hamper your play substantially for half a season, especially when you take pain relieving shots prior to each game. Those shots take almost all the soreness away.

If you'd like to blame this entire season of substandard play on injuries, be my guest. But if Newman was seriously hurting, there would be as much reason to have played him this last half of the season as there would have been to play Tony.

 

[CCBoy]

He was an injury replacement to be precise.

As far as bruised ribs that he had for a few games, that doesn't hamper your play substantially for half a season, especially when you take pain relieving shots prior to each game. Those shots take almost all the soreness away.

If you'd like to blame this entire season of substandard play on injuries, be my guest. But if Newman was seriously hurting, there would be as much reason to have played him this last half of the season as there would have been to play Tony.

Seriously, I think you confuse toughness with a medical evaluation involving elite athletes being paid at top dollar prices. Newman showed that he would put up with the physical pain involved...but that doesn't mean he yet has full ability to turn on a dime and sprint like a deer, yet. Just turning hampered affects a cornerback acutely.

You have allready been presented a reasonable comparison on topic...but chose to ignore the human side to function. Oh, it's real...and lasts longer than your considerations for just being 'tough.'

 

[KJJ]

I agree that his play has declined this season.

Then what are you arguing about?

I believe he is injured. I provide physical therapy services for a living. A rib injury can result in excruciating pain. I do treat athletes in various sports from time to time. Not every injury is the same and not every person reacts to an injury the same way.

What you believe and what you know are two different things. You don't treat Newman therefore you don't know if anything is ailing him or not.

Dez had a rib injury and it didn't turn him into a subpar player. You haven't examined Newman's ribs so you don't know what he's going through.

He injured his ribs in late Oct and never missed a start it doesn't take a doctor to tell it wasn't a serious injury.

Like you said not every injury is the same and not every person reacts to an injury the same way but if Newman was in excruciating pain it would be evident on the field after every play he's involved in and the Cowboys wouldn't have him out there.

I listen to every PC and not once did anyone ever ask Wade or Garrett if Newman's struggles are because he's injured. Until you can come up with an article that speculates his subpar play is due to injury it's just an excuse.

The fact that Newman is playing is not proof that his injury isn't affecting him. I don't know how to make that any clearer for you. There's my opinion on it. I don't claim it as fact.

The fact that he hasn't missed a start all season is proof enough that he's not as injured as some of you would like to believe. I've seen no signs of discomfort from him on the field.

His ribs didn't prevent him from jumping up and picking off Grossman to end the game Sunday.

You really don't have any substantial points up for any debate.

That's just another excuse because you can't refute anything I've said. It's an easy way out. You claimed all my arguments are flimsy but when challenged to shoot some of them down you cop out. By not taking me up on my challenge you just helped strengthen my argument. :toast:

There is no changing your mind. It's difficult to attempt to debate someone who uses multiple logical fallacies as a crutch. You've already made a preemptive strike regarding any use of stats by attacking anyone who believes the stats that Adam posts. So, you've got that base covered. Then, you consistently fall back on your agreement with the perceived majority. There really is no point in wasting any time trying to objectively debate with you.

My mind will never change from thinking Newman is in decline he'll be 33 at the start of next season. His best days are behind him. The stats Adam has posted on Newman don't hold water.

Go checkout the stats he posted a couple of weeks ago comparing Newman with Champ Bailey, Darrell Green and Ronnie Lott. LOL

He had stats comparing Newman as a punt returner with Billy White Shoes Johnson for crying out loud.

Newman has made one pro bowl as a reserve and another pro bowl as a replacement for a reserve.

My argument on Newman is solid he's an aging player who's slowing down and is in decline. If you got any ammo to shoot that claim down be my guest! :toast:

Just FYI, I've never had any blind love for Newman. I believe he has been a very solid corner for us and still has some tread left on the tires.

Just FYI I've never had any hate for Newman. I pull for him every week like I do all the players on the team.

Newman may have some tread left but it's getting thin and regardless of why his play has decline if it continues to slide the Cowboys are going to have to find his replacement sooner rather than later.

Also, I happen to like my personal touch. It stated about as much information as your original post with a fraction of the words.

Keep your personal touch out of my quotes! If you're going to quote me don't tamper with it. All you've done is decline my challenge and continue to make injury excuses for Newman's play. You could have done that in two sentences. LOL

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Seriously, I think you confuse toughness with a medical evaluation involving elite athletes being paid at top dollar prices. Newman showed that he would put up with the physical pain involved...but that doesn't mean he yet has full ability to turn on a dime and sprint like a deer, yet. Just turning hampered affects a cornerback acutely.

You have allready been presented a reasonable comparison on topic...but chose to ignore the human side to function. Oh, it's real...and lasts longer than your considerations for just being 'tough.'

You really need to work on your english comprehension and grammar.. your posts are brutal.

 

[KJJ]

You did? Then what are your stats in support of your continued agreements with yourself....?

The only proof I need is all the times Newman has been beaten this season. It's been a common theme each week watching receivers run by him for big plays. These threads on Newman that keep appearing every week aren't popping up because he's playing well.

The whole of the entire defense declined, and you merely are trying to cherry pick a removal group, but based upon decline in production, desire for new faces, and age. But here, all mostly abstractly applied...but with the cheer of a continual - tar bucket and feather bucket, mob mentality.

Our pathetic pass coverage is the main reason our entire defense has declined, plus teams are paying alot of attention to Ratliff this season and have been able render him ineffective most of the time with numerous double teams and some triple teams.

Most of the points our D is giving up is via the pass. Rex Grossman who's one of the least respected QB's in the NFL just put up over 320 yards and 4 TD's against our defense.

Washington had a FB catch one 30 yards down field against our secondary. By the way you make about as much sense as Leon Spinks after a night on the town.

 

[CCBoy]

The only proof I need is all the times Newman has been beaten this season. It's been a common theme each week watching receivers run by him for big plays. These threads on Newman that keep appearing every week aren't popping up because he's playing well.




Our pathetic pass coverage is the main reason our entire defense has declined, plus teams are paying alot of attention to Ratliff this season and have been able render him ineffective most of the time with numerous double teams and some triple teams.

Most of the points our D is giving up is via the pass. Rex Grossman who's one of the least respected QB's in the NFL just put up over 320 yards and 4 TD's against our defense.

Washington had a FB catch one 30 yards down field against our secondary. By the way you make about as much sense as Leon Spinks after a night on the town.

Leon Spinks had much more applied skills than yourself...and if a bet were laid on the table, it probably came from acute analysis of both technique and generalized style of an opponent. Your own example beat you up here, rather than trying to relate to the general direction I was heading. Too bad you use a stop light camera to evaluate types of stops and a license plate veiw to determine whether a real road hazard applies....oh, and handle connecting those dots yourself.

As the obvious being the secondary, the only change in it was Ball's insertion for Hamlin. Kind of twists your association of a classification's simplicity being that Newman was now old.

 

[CCBoy]

You really need to work on your english comprehension and grammar.. your posts are brutal.

The posts aren't as brutal as your lack of having a GPS sytem in the vehicle that YOU are driving...to talk you through associations of application. Rather than spoon feeding directions.

When you get a little hazy, just bring to view a contrast with the points that your last posting tried to build as supportive. Maybe big picture word puzzles would be more fun...than clarifying elements lacking in your own perspectives. That is, without an attempt to first insult you for YOUR lack of a more comprehensive overview. Some once thought cosmopolitan was a note of a sophisticated society. You merely want bread and butter insult supported by a meat clever mentality.

 

[the truth of it all]

yeah i agree with op.. and he seems like a huge dick..

not sure if anyone saw cowboys insider on cbs 11*dallas local last week*

He was asked by i think Babe Laughenberg something about a "meaningless win" . If there was such a thing basically.

And for someone playing so poorly he was a flat jerk instead of playing off the question he attempted to mock the heck out of them .. Confidence is one thing, being annoying and an *** is totally different. Cant say ive ever liked newman..