Terence Newman

[KJJ]

Sigh...if only the ignore list extended to quotes. Let's at least get this one fact straight. I didn't "come looking for you", come stalking you, or any other nonsense you seem to flatter yourself with. I had no idea who you were until this thread, aside from maybe seeing your screen name from time to time. I couldn't tell you if I've ever noticed a thing you've posted, much less remember if I've ever responded to you. Just needed to clarify. Continue on with your egotistical, rambling drivel.

Face it you can't ignore me this is looking like some twisted fatal attraction. LOL You claim you have me on ignore but here you are back again. Everytime I hit home it reels you back in.

I've run into your kind many a time on these boards.

Dude you came looking for me! You initiated this entire exchange by responding to me claiming my argument was flimsy. All anyone has to do is go back in this thread to see who got the ball rolling.

When I asked you what's flimsy about my argument you said you didn't want to argue claiming I can't debate. :laugh2: If my argument is so "flimsy" and I can't debate then you should be able to have a field day tearing my argument apart shouldn't you?

You and idgit should co author a book on tips on how to lose credibility. Everytime I ask you a question you refuse to answer claiming you're not here to debate.

You're not here to debate because you can't break down one single thing I've said concerning Newman and that's a fact! You agree with me that he's declined this season and the only thing we disagree on is the reason he's declined.

You claim he's injured but you haven't produced one article that says he's currently not healthy.

The fact that he hasn't missed a start all season and has been playing is proof he's not injured. Point out an argument I have that's flimsy?

Stop showing up to blow hot air and stand up like man for once and show me where your position is stronger than mine.

You won't address the issues because even you know your case is incredibly weak you'll just keep pretending you have me on ignore only to return to take a slap and run off again.

 

[KJJ]

You don't understand the concept behind the word "repeatedly." This is why you're confused. There are a bunch of reasons why you're clueless re: Newman. Read the thread for clarificaion.

As for all that stuff you want to see, good luck with that. Maybe another poster will pull that nonsense together for you. I won't.

I just gave you an accurate definition of the word "repeatedly" and you're the one who's confused. LOL

If you want to continue making yourself look foolish go right ahead it's certainly not doing your credibility any good at least what little credibility you have left.

You claimed Newman has played well this season despite being "repeatedly" beaten and you're continuing to call me clueless.

Believe it or not I almost feel embarrassed for you. You continue avoiding the questions I've asked which clearly proves your argument has absolutely no legs.

I've made several attempts to debate specific issues on this topic with you and you've refused...GAME-SET-MATCH!

 

[KJJ]

Yeah, I kind of did.

And, no, you really didn't.

I have you stumbling, bumbling and mumbling to yourself let this be a lesson to you the next time you come seeking me out. Now stop with the nonsense and move on!

 

[PBJTime]

Face it you can't ignore me this is looking like some twisted fatal attraction. LOL You claim you have me on ignore but here you are back again. Everytime I hit home it reels you back in.

Because the "view post" is too tempting... I can't wait to see the next ignorant thing that comes out of your mouth. It's like a train wreck. Up until this very post, I hadn't looked at any of your responses. I only saw you drop my name in a quote (which can't be ignored, unfortunately). I'm in your head so much, you're name dropping when discussing with other people. Who's infatuated with who here? I only return to this thread so I can see others beating up on you.

You claim he's injured but you haven't produced one article that says he's currently not healthy.

You've already said one article wouldn't change your mind, so really, what's the point. Ah, here you go anyways...

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowb...e-phillips-changes-his-mind-on-terence-newman

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4674069/terence-newman-is-expected-to-practice

http://www.kffl.com/gnews.php?id=680129-cowboys-terence-newman-injury-update

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4674671/terence-newman-misses-practice-again

Now, I notice that you set yourself up to win this little exchange by saying I need to post an article where he's currently injured. How convenient. Let's break this down. His play has diminished throughout the season, which is exactly the time period we need to be looking at. Currently, he may be feeling pretty good. Coincidentally, he played pretty well the other night. Funny how that works.

The fact that he hasn't missed a start all season and has been playing is proof he's not injured. Point out an argument I have that's flimsy?

That is such a ridiculous statement that I don't know where to begin. That's your proof? The fact that he hasn't missed a start all season?

So, any player that plays on any given Sunday across the NFL is automatically not injured? They are 100%, always, if they play? HAHAHAAAA!!!! This is EXACTLY what I call flimsy! Here's my proof: Fact-Newman has been on the injury report 6 weeks this year (that's 40% of the year, by the way.) We'll let the audience decide who's really more credible here.

Stop showing up to blow hot air and stand up like man for once and show me where your position is stronger than mine.

Careful what you wish for.

You won't address the issues because even you know your case is incredibly weak you'll just keep pretending you have me on ignore only to return to take a slap and run off again.

You got me a little bit here. You are like a living train wreck. I can't help but look, as hard as I try.

 

[Nexx]

seems like to me, newman is hurt every year and its used as an excuse. i can buy that but that doesnt help the team. if he is this injury prone we need to move on and finder a replacement.

 

[PBJTime]

seems like to me, newman is hurt every year and its used as an excuse. i can buy that but that doesnt help the team. if he is this injury prone we need to move on and finder a replacement.

That's a fair position to take, and I don't think anybody could fault you for it. He does seem to have at least tweaked something fairly often. I wouldn't call it an excuse as much as it is a reason for decline in play, but the end result is the same.

 

[Nexx]

That's a fair position to take, and I don't think anybody could fault you for it. He does seem to have at least tweaked something fairly often. I wouldn't call it an excuse as much as it is a reason for decline in play, but the end result is the same.

right on, either way decline or injury prone isnt helping. i think we can all agree he is one, the other or both. move on. thank you tnew for being a solid corner for us but you gotta go.

 

[PBJTime]

right on, either way decline or injury prone isnt helping. i think we can all agree he is one, the other or both. move on. thank you tnew for being a solid corner for us but you gotta go.

I don't think he's totally done, but I'm definitely on board for drafting a replacement.

 

[Idgit]

I have you stumbling, bumbling and mumbling to yourself let this be a lesson to you the next time you come seeking me out. Now stop with the nonsense and move on!

I think I learned my lesson finally. Let me see if I got it right: step 1: fail. step 2: ignore all the fail. Step 3: pretend everyone who thinks you're bats is actually supporting you. Step 4: take a pointless victory lap. Step 5: appeal to the mods surreptitiously to close the thread again.

Is that about right?

Move on? I don't remember having this much fun in a thread. I'm here for the long haul, brother. Let's set a new post record!

 

[KJJ]

I think I learned my lesson finally. Let me see if I got it right: step 1: fail. step 2: ignore all the fail. Step 3: pretend everyone who thinks you're bats is actually supporting you. Step 4: take a pointless victory lap. Step 5: appeal to the mods surreptitiously to close the thread again.

Is that about right?

Move on? I don't remember having this much fun in a thread. I'm here for the long haul, brother. Let's set a new post record!

If you call this fun then you must be a glutton for punishment. You've been more repeatedly beaten in this thread than Newman has all season. LOL

I think everyone here is feeling embarrassed for you. Why continue showing up like a sore loser just to blow off steam?

I tried to get you to debate the issues from the very beginning but you've refused because you don't have a case and you know it so let it go.

This started with you and it's going to end with me unless they lock the thread which I suggest they do.

It's clear you're not showing up to talk football you're showing up because you have an ax to grind. You allowed me to get under your thin skin now I have it crawling.

When you've finally have had enough of me your skin will be as thick as an iguana. It would be impossible for OJ's dream team to make a case that Newman has played well this season despite being repeatedly beaten.

Once you made that comment you put the noose around your neck. Stop with the sour grapes everyone is tired at looking at this thread so either let it go or PM me and cry yourself a river off the board.

I'll toss you a box a Kleenex you crybaby. LOL

 

[Idgit]

So...I got the order of the steps right then. Fantastic.

If you call this fun then you must be a glutton for punishment. You've been more repeatedly beaten in this thread than Newman has all season. LOL

I think everyone here is feeling embarrassed for you. Why continue showing up like a sore loser just to blow off steam?

I tried to get you to debate the issues from the very beginning but you've refused because you don't have a case and you know it so let it go.

This started with you and it's going to end with me unless they lock the thread which I suggest they do.

It's clear you're not showing up to talk football you're showing up because you have an ax to grind. You allowed me to get under your thin skin now I have it crawling.

When you've finally have had enough of me you your skin will be as thick as an iguana. It would be impossible for OJ's dream team to make a case that Newman has played well this season despite being repeatedly beaten.

Once you made that comment you put the noose around your neck. Stop with the sour grapes everyone is tired at looking at this thread so either let it go or PM me and cry yourself a river off the board.

I'll toss you a box a Kleenex you crybaby. LOL

 

[KJJ]

So...I got the order of the steps right then. Fantastic.

You have yet to get anything right you're still working on the definition of "repeatedly". LOL

 

[Idgit]

You have yet to get anything right you're still working on the definition of "repeatedly". LOL

You go KJJ!

Is it bad I read your replies to any other posters in this thread and get confused because you tell them the same things you say to me? There's a lot of us out there, huh? Wonder why that is?

 

[CCBoy]

Wow is right you finally formulated a post that can actually be deciphered without a secret code...congratulations!

Yeah Newman played well for the most part last night so appears he was able to overcome all his injuries you apologists have been making excuses about. LOL

He was running, jumping, cutting and able to make tackles without showing any signs of discomfort like he has been all season but fortunately he wasn't tested last night going up against a rookie QB.

We'll see how he does next week against a very good team with a hot veteran QB at the helm that will enter the game looking to attack him.

Just for record here...your metrics for comparison in evaluating T New, just aren't good indicators on his technique and abilities. Over the past four seasons, his evaluations as to effectiveness and average pass completions/yardage given up, are top three in the NFL. That changes at the very top each season, but on the long haul, T New has been rock solid in performance.

Now, concerning your eyewash directions, as it relates to the above... that IS affected by aspects of a physical nature. This presented for your perspective to see...such as hip fluidity when injured. Mix in some leg or foot problems and there are real issues that hit in a nagging manner.

When a cornerback is continually hitting the very best of NFL quarterbacks, as T New did on three consecutive games prior to Arizona, then that will tell also. This will show up on the very best of corners as well. Not excusing, but presenting more of a complete picture for discussion purposes here.

It still takes a functional relationship between a top notched quarterback and a similarly top notched receiver to put T New on his heels. Once this does occur, as it does to all corners at some point in a game...T New recovers remarkedly quickly. That is physical skills, experience, and a still fully functional set of wheels.

He's no more subject to injury or over-the-hill any more than another top corner in the league. We are just a little more eyesore in our evaluations right now being Dallas fans.

He's no where near being set out to pasture or kept strictly for breeding purposes...as a coach. He's still a good corner, and a valued piece in the Cowboy secondary. Better section play IS the answer, although...

 

[KJJ]

Because the "view post" is too tempting... I can't wait to see the next ignorant thing that comes out of your mouth. It's like a train wreck.

The only thing that's like a train wreck is watching you reappear only to get derailed. :laugh2:

You can't stop reading my posts I just keep reeling you back in like a dried up carp. Dude, you have some real issues.

You said you had me on ignore and what a beautiful thing it is and here you are back again. This is just another dagger in your credibility.

You're making this far too easy for me all I have to do is sit back and watch you self destruct. LOL

Up until this very post, I hadn't looked at any of your responses. I only saw you drop my name in a quote (which can't be ignored, unfortunately). I'm in your head so much, you're name dropping when discussing with other people. Who's infatuated with who here? I only return to this thread so I can see others beating up on you.

You expect anyone to believe that BS? Your credibility is shot! You put me on ignore and took me right off just to make it appear you weren't reading my posts....BUSTED! LOL

You've been following me around for several days then claimed you put me on ignore and now you're back AGAIN for the 10th time and you're claiming I'm in your head?

Right, everyone is beating up on me. :laugh2: You're so delusional it's hilarious! Go seek some counseling.

You've already said one article wouldn't change your mind, so really, what's the point. Ah, here you go anyways..

I told you to post an article with either speculation or fact that Newman's struggles in coverage were due to him not being healthy.

And you accused me of not being able to comprehend? LOL Most of those articles were during the first week in Nov.

His ankle has been fine for weeks. Dez had recurring problems with both his ankles and still performed at a high level...NEXT!

Now, I notice that you set yourself up to win this little exchange by saying I need to post an article where he's currently injured. How convenient.

Posting articles from early Nov when he hurt his ankle isn't going to defend all the times he got beat weeks before and after that.

You're going to blame an ankle injury that happened in early Nov as the reason he got beat by Desean Jackson over a month later?...NEXT!

His play has diminished throughout the season, which is exactly the time period we need to be looking at. Currently, he may be feeling pretty good. Coincidentally, he played pretty well the other night. Funny how that works.

His play has diminished because he's an older player in decline and because we've had serious issues at safety.

Dez's play didn't diminished after he tweaked the ankle he suffered a high ankle sprain on and his play didn't diminish after he injured his ribs and hurt his other ankle.

As for Newman playing pretty well the other night that just confirms he's fine. I'm sure if he gets torched by Philly next Sunday you'll start blaming injuries again. LOL

That is such a ridiculous statement that I don't know where to begin. That's your proof? The fact that he hasn't missed a start all season?

It proves the injuries he suffered were minor. The Cowboys won't play a player if they're injured to the point that they can't be affective....NEXT!

So, any player that plays on any given Sunday across the NFL is automatically not injured? They are 100%, always, if they play?

Alot of players play with an injury but teams won't play a player if they're injury prevents them from being affective.

If a player is so injured they can't be affective you're better off with a lesser player who's healthy. This happened to Revis earlier this season with a hammy.

He wasn't affective and the Jets pulled him and rested him the following week.

If the Cowboys thought it was injuries that were causing Newman to get beat he wouldn't have been playing...NEXT!

HAHAHAAAA!!!! This is EXACTLY what I call flimsy!

Go find a post with the thread LINK where I said a player who plays on any given Sunday is automatically not injured.

You're stooping to putting words in my mouth. If a player can jump, run and tackle without showing any signs of discomfort or being limited they're not injured in my book.

They're certain injuries a player can play with and play affectively with. You haven't come up with anything that proves injuries have caused Newman to get beat repeatedly this season. Jenkins has been beaten repeatedly too is it because he's injured? LOL

Newman has shown no signs of being limited on the field. Practically every player in the league has something that hurts on their body but most can play affectively or they wouldn't be out there.

You don't see anyone using injuries as an excuse for a players subpar play because teams don't play players who are too injured to be affective. Once they see an injury is affecting their play they sit them.

If a player is noticeably limping they can't play and I have yet to see Newman this season limping around prior to being beat.

We'll let the audience decide who's really more credible here.

You've already proven you're not credible you claimed you had me on ignore. Most here think Newman is in decline due to age not because he's been injured all year.

He's had injuries in the past that have nagged him all season and he never got beat like he's been beaten this season.

You got me a little bit here. You are like a living train wreck. I can't help but look, as hard as I try.

You bet I got you I have you all figured out. :toast: Like I said you put me on ignore to make everyone believe you couldn't read my posts so you would have an excuse to walk off because you know I'm not going to give you the last word.

You then immediately took me off ignore that's why you're back. It's made you look foolish you seem to get off on looking foolish. LOL

Fact-Newman has been on the injury report 6 weeks this year (that's 40% of the year, by the way.)

Teams put players on their injury report for even the most minor ailments. I'm sure Dez was on the injury report plenty before he was lost this season.

He was questionable prior to at least one game. Tom Brady has been on alot of injury reports it's protocol.

Are you going to tell me that Newman hasn't lost any speed since he came into the league and is every bit the player he was 5 years ago?

 

[KJJ]

Just for record here...your metrics for comparison in evaluating T New, just aren't good indicators on his technique and abilities.

The only indicator I need is that he's been repeatedly beaten this season...NUFF SAID!

 

[KJJ]

You go KJJ!

Is it bad I read your replies to any other posters in this thread and get confused because you tell them the same things you say to me? There's a lot of us out there, huh? Wonder why that is?

Yeah I do tell them a lot of the same things because birds of a feather flock together. As for "a lot" I'm only posting with 2 others you call that "a lot?"

Looks like you could use help with another definition. :laugh2:

 

[CCBoy]

The only indicator I need is that he's been repeatedly beaten this season...NUFF SAID!

There you go running from topic...with a nebulous repeatedly beaten. Yet you prove none of your case. And relying upon such an unproven state leaves merely unsubtantiated opinion. Yours, but credible not being an element presented in proof.

There is a quality site, that delves in measureables of cornerbacks. There is quite a bit of statistical relevance developed over the past two seasons...if I were you, AND really stood by what I was saying. I would take a journey to this site and expand your brow beat to substantiated facts. You don't even come up with a palate of incidents to even give credability to your statement: repeatedly beaten. As to 'NUFF SAID' you said very little as to proving YOUR case.

But insight was provided to you in the meantime...

 

[KJJ]

There you go running from topic...with a nebulous repeatedly beaten. Yet you prove none of your case. And relying upon such an unproven state leaves merely unsubtantiated opinion. Yours, but credible not being an element presented in proof.

There is a quality site, that delves in measureables of cornerbacks. There is quite a bit of statistical relevance developed over the past two seasons...if I were you, AND really stood by what I was saying. I would take a journey to this site and expand your brow beat to substantiated facts. You don't even come up with a palate of incidents to even give credability to your statement: repeatedly beaten. As to 'NUFF SAID' you said very little as to proving YOUR case.

But insight was provided to you in the meantime...

I proved my cased and it's CLOSED! If you think I'm running from this topic you're as delusional as PBJ. LOL

I've covered EVERYTHING down to the very minute detail in pages and pages and pages of this thread and if you think going to go over the same crap again with someone as dense as you you're nuts!

You're just another one who wants to argue for the sake of arguing I don't have time for your nonsense.

The majority of fans here think Newman's play has been substandard and they believe he's in decline...NUFF SAID!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

A very good corner that gets a lot of undue criticism.

I agree.

I just don't understand or see a lot of the criticism.

He was really good the first half of the season. And I mean really really good. He slacked off a bit, but I thought he is still playing above average in the second half.

Usually when he gets beat it's either by a really smart play call and/or by one of the league's fastest WR's. Maybe the stats by FO.com will say something differently...but I think he's had a solid season.

We certainly need to look to replace him sometime, but I wouldn't have a problem with him back in 2011.




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