Terrance Williams preferred Romo over Dak

[gimmesix]

Trent and Brad had two of the best defenses of all time that they could lean on. It also represents 20 plus years ago. In 2023 you can’t have a guy like Rex Grossman get to a SB.

And Eli never had great defenses. He has great defensive lines but Eli still made some
Big time throws. He was not hid at all.

Nick Foles got to a Super Bowl not too long ago, and won. It's not all 20-plus years ago. That was 2018, but I guess if you want, you can say, In 2023, you can't have a guy like Nick Foles get to a SB.

In the 2007 season, the Giants gave up 14, 17, 20 and 14 points in their playoff run. In the 2011 season, the Giants gave up 2, 20, 17 and 17. Eli and the offense never had to score more than 21 points. They scored more than 24 once. Eli's passer rating was 72.0 in the 2007 playoff game against Green Bay with 252 passing yards and a 52.5 completion percentage. Think the defense and running game hid him then? In 2011, he had an 82.3 rating against San Fran, completing just 55.17 percent of his passes. Without great defense and a running threat, New York is ousted in the championship game both years.

QBs have to do their part, but it's only a part. Sometimes it is a bigger part. Sometimes it is a smaller part. When you don't have a team that can step up when the QB plays a smaller part, you don't win titles.

 

[gimmesix]

I think they are different quarterbacks with different approaches. Romo could see a play would fail and would escape the game plan and play call. I think Dak is the opposite. He’s going to follow the game plan and die by it. I think there’s good things about both ways. If I like my offense and OC I want a guy like Dak. If I want someone to turn crap into sugar I’d lean towards a guy like Romo.

Even if someone could turn crap to sugar, I don't believe that I would want to eat it. I mean, it still was originally crap.

Just an observation. Nothing really to do with either QB.

 

[Hardline]

Not particularly. That isnt very productive for a #2 WR. Even with Bryant and Witten. He got locked down 1 on 1 with #2 or #3 CB's far too often

Bryant and Witten are exactly why Williams got his numbers. He was very good when targeted.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

People reach for anything to prove Romo was better than Dak. They don’t care who sends the message.

Do you dare to compare Romo's massive football knowledge and throwing abilities to pea panic brain inaccurate Dak?
Sir send me some of what you're drinking......

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Life, unfortunately, is full of disappointments.
Take you, for instance. We thought you were a manly man but yer schochlocky posts reveal you to be anything but.
So, be a big boy, Mamathon. Wear that cute pastels pant suit and blend into the crowd and all will leave you be.
Don't you miss being a man?

Please accept me regrets for tha. it was harsh and not amicable.
As a sign of good will by me, a Good Sam, I will be at your assistance as you post whatever misguided patter.

Well, i must be off. i have voodo class.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Bryant and Witten are exactly why Williams got his numbers. He was very good when targeted.

Williams got the numbers he did because he wasnt very good. That also why he signed for what he did in FA, and why no one wanted him whennwe cut him. If you think Williams was underrated, I got some prime beach front property in Oklahoma you might be interested in.

 

[Hadenough]

They gave Romo with a bad back 100 million and didn’t have his replacement or even a guy we could pretend to be his replacement lol. Insane.

Exactly! And when Romo started looking fat I wanted know why there wasn't a Claus in his contract for him to be running 5 miles a day. I don't trust this organization to make good decisions and feel this sense of doom and gloom with Dak getting a new contract.

 

[acr731]

We are actually sitting here, caring what a failed player who is now playing in Mexico says about the QB situation.

I don't really have a preference between either. They have both been failures as far as I am concerned. And yes, I am an incredibly spoiled.

I just do not understand the "debate".

If Prescott does exactly what Romo did, why should we care who was better?

I have said the same thing over and over. The similarities between Romo and Dak smack you in the face, but some would rather choose sides and fight to the death trying to prove their man was better.

Who cares? If the end result is the same between both QB's, and there is plenty of proof that's the case, I'm like you - I don't give a damn who was better, they were both losers in the end. Dak just makes a lot more money, that's the only difference.

 

[Hardline]

Williams got the numbers he did because he wasnt very good. That also why he signed for what he did in FA, and why no one wanted him whennwe cut him. If you think Williams was underrated, I got some prime beach front property in Oklahoma you might be interested in.

Don't go into player evaluation. You're not qualified for it. Williams did his job and did it well.
What lake in Oklahoma do you have beach front property in? I might be interested. Lake Murray is a beautiful place.

 

[starfan1]

Don't go into player evaluation. You're not qualified for it. Williams did his job and did it well.
What lake in Oklahoma do you have beach front property in? I might be interested. Lake Murray is a beautiful place.

Lake Murray is nice ! water looks suspiciously blue , like too blue but no beachfront houses. on another note golf all you can on mondays $25

As per topic williams also said Dak is better than hurts

 

[PAPPYDOG]

I have said the same thing over and over. The similarities between Romo and Dak smack you in the face, but some would rather choose sides and fight to the death trying to prove their man was better.

Who cares? If the end result is the same between both QB's, and there is plenty of proof that's the case, I'm like you - I don't give a damn who was better, they were both losers in the end. Dak just makes a lot more money, that's the only difference.

They use Romo as an out to excuse when we are criticizing Dak for his egg-laying performances.
Then they throw the hate word next and make it a bundle of nothing to do with the game of football.
End result we hate Dak cause he took Romo's job and not because he choked big time in playoff games and is solely responsible for both Niner playoff losses.
You cannot reason with an agenda that is fueled by non-football issues as it's simply impossible and a waste of time trying to debate the issue with them.
Patience (and I hope I'm wrong) as Dak will implode big time this coming season heck I might even feel sorry for him.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Which statement is false? If that’s the only comparison we have then that’s not entirely fair to Romo lol. He got smoked if we are going to compare the two that year.

He got smoked by…being injured most of the year? Umm…OK.

The fact is, we had tweedle-dee and tweedle-dumb making decisions based on nebulous concepts such as “team chemistry”, “leadership” and “winning streaks” instead of meritocracy, individual talent and experience, and an objective measure of why the team was actually winning. It’s why both prevented an open QB competition in camp when Romo was finally medically healthy and cleared to play.

 

[shabazz]

Of course it is, but, consider the source. If anything, Garrett and JJ are the ones that wanted Dak as the QB, and that tells you what kind of coach Garrett was.

If we look back on it, Romo and the FO probably knew that it was going to be Tony’s last year playing. He had been in the league for some time and the injuries were coming fast and often….his body simply let him down, just like Sean Lee…..plenty of talent but short in health

any body that thinks that Romo would be retired by a 4th round rookie with average lives in fantasyland

the only rookie in modern times with enough sheer talent to retire Romo would have been Mahomes……and that’s only because he’s a generational talent

 

[VaqueroTD]

I have said the same thing over and over. The similarities between Romo and Dak smack you in the face, but some would rather choose sides and fight to the death trying to prove their man was better.

Who cares? If the end result is the same between both QB's, and there is plenty of proof that's the case, I'm like you - I don't give a damn who was better, they were both losers in the end. Dak just makes a lot more money, that's the only difference.

Agreed. Definitely think Romo was a better play caller and could read defenses better, but what's the point if you're still bombing in the Playoffs? Aikman still did it with Switzer, Montana and Young still did it with Seifert.... Once a veteran QB understands the game, he can't be held back. There is even an argument that Rogers won it all despite Big Mac.

And even though I think Romo was better at reading defenses, just want to point out probably not a good "apples to apples" because Terrance had a veteran Romo, and a rookie Dak. Be like Gallup getting a new QB and someone asking him to compare. Of course he'll go wtih his boy Dak who he has played with more in his prime.

Still think the biggest holdup to Romo's success was not the roster around him, but losing Parcells. You could just tell. Parcells knew who he had and knew Romo had to be reigned in at times. Once Parcells left, it was the Romo show and there were some frustrating games for sure. When Romo finally got it, the body was gone.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Nick Foles got to a Super Bowl not too long ago, and won. It's not all 20-plus years ago. That was 2018, but I guess if you want, you can say, In 2023, you can't have a guy like Nick Foles get to a SB.

In the 2007 season, the Giants gave up 14, 17, 20 and 14 points in their playoff run. In the 2011 season, the Giants gave up 2, 20, 17 and 17. Eli and the offense never had to score more than 21 points. They scored more than 24 once. Eli's passer rating was 72.0 in the 2007 playoff game against Green Bay with 252 passing yards and a 52.5 completion percentage. Think the defense and running game hid him then? In 2011, he had an 82.3 rating against San Fran, completing just 55.17 percent of his passes. Without great defense and a running threat, New York is ousted in the championship game both years.

QBs have to do their part, but it's only a part. Sometimes it is a bigger part. Sometimes it is a smaller part. When you don't have a team that can step up when the QB plays a smaller part, you don't win titles.

That's all very true but I feel like you are downplaying the QB spot. You did pick some extremely average (and LUCKY!) Qb's to make your case. And I apologize, I do not have anything as specific as you to counter...

But we have to admit...QB vs ALL the defense is a bit unfair. There's 11 guys there making plays. Let's say a handful of REALLY good ones. But how often does the QB have to make a play nearly single-handedly? From adjusting the line of scrimmage/plays to a perfect bomb to an miracle scramble.

I think this is the reason QB's get the mostly unfair tag. Like Dan Marino. Like Eli Manning.

Here's the real problem:
For one player they use stats and say wins/loses against the QB are unfair...TEAM GAME.

Then they rip to shreds another player as being a choker(contrary to evidence) and see THEY never won a super bowl.

These are very lazy ways of assessing QB's performance. A deep dive is the only real way to do it. Many people don't want to face the realities therein.
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[SteveTheCowboy]

He got smoked by…being injured most of the year? Umm…OK.

The fact is, we had tweedle-dee and tweedle-dumb making decisions based on nebulous concepts such as “team chemistry”, “leadership” and “winning streaks” instead of meritocracy, individual talent and experience, and an objective measure of why the team was actually winning. It’s why both prevented an open QB competition in camp when Romo was finally medically healthy and cleared to play.

I think this is a critical aspect that people don't want to address. Dak....kudos to HIM!....finally gave Romo time to heal during a season. People need to make the assumption "he'd just get hurt the next game anyway"...to soothe their agenda.

That is an assumption. Most times...Romo either played through the injury or came back too soon. Playing hurt doesn't get you healed. He rarely got a chance to heal. This is a big difference from his norm.

Then the decision to keep him benched...out of 'superstition". The most valuable sports franchise on the planet. What the....

What also was odd was giving Romo just one series...I mean why? Some sort of career send off? I don't buy it Give him the rest of the game, geeze.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

He got smoked by…being injured most of the year? Umm…OK.

The fact is, we had tweedle-dee and tweedle-dumb making decisions based on nebulous concepts such as “team chemistry”, “leadership” and “winning streaks” instead of meritocracy, individual talent and experience, and an objective measure of why the team was actually winning. It’s why both prevented an open QB competition in camp when Romo was finally medically healthy and cleared to play.

So if he was ready to play why did he retire? And yes he would get smoked because he was hurt. It’s not a fair comparison.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

So if he was ready to play why did he retire? And yes he would get smoked because he was hurt. It’s not a fair comparison.

@SultanOfSix See what I mean? Right on cue.

 

[starfan1]

I have said the same thing over and over. The similarities between Romo and Dak smack you in the face, but some would rather choose sides and fight to the death trying to prove their man was better.

Who cares? If the end result is the same between both QB's, and there is plenty of proof that's the case, I'm like you - I don't give a damn who was better, they were both losers in the end. Dak just makes a lot more money, that's the only difference.

All QBs are paid better now I think you forget % wise just how well TR was paid. That last extension killed the cowboys financially but that said I agree they both have failed miserably

I choose to put most of the blame on the 2 buffoons in the press box more than the QBs

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Do you dare to compare Romo's massive football knowledge and throwing abilities to pea panic brain inaccurate Dak?
Sir send me some of what you're drinking......

Romo sucked. he was a big choker. he played like I play back yard football with my kids. his one lucky playoff win was because the Ref's blew a call and gave us the win at home. one of the biggest chokers in history of football.

not sure what you are drinking. moonshine perhaps.