Terry Glenn's Knees

[Pottsville Maroons]

I remember reports from late last year that Glenn was playing with a bone-on-bone condition in his knee(s). While I don't know much about these types of injuries, it doesn't sound like it's something that goes away during the off-season or through rehab. If that is the case, I'm wondering how WR is not the absolute number one need for this team in the draft and, maybe more to the point, why I haven't seen any mention of his condition since the end of last year?

I know we have Crayton, Hurd and Austin and that we got that CFL guy, Richardson, but isn't WR still tops on the need list for this draft?

 

[theebs]

I have been wondering since jerry and al davis are such good friends what it would take at some point if the raiders take johnson for porter.

Probably never happen but I wonder if we got to june and he wanted out what it would take?

 

[zrinkill]

It should be ....... but to many on this board are obsessed with the secondary, specifically the safety position. They think that a young rookie safety (like Watkins) is supposed to come in his first year and make no mistakes and play at an all pro level.

 

[BIGWAY]

Yeah, I wonder how bad his knee is. It seemed like at one time last year there was some speculation that he might retire because of this condition.
I would not be surprised if he does not finish the season because of his knees.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

It should be ....... but to many on this board are obsessed with the secondary, specifically the safety position. They think that a young rookie safety (like Watkins) is supposed to come in his first year and make no mistakes and play at an all pro level.

I'm in....I have been screaming this for months....why WAIT until Ownes and Glenn are no good and THEN address the position....Tony Romo needs a young WR that they can grow together over the next 8 years...this stance has Parcells written all over it...I think he has convinced the Cowboys that WRs can be found in any round of the draft.

And I also thought Glenn was poorly managed. I think if he has a bone on bone condition...he should take a couple of SERIES off every game. It will give his legs a blow AND it would give other WRs a chance to gain experience. Managing his condition is the ONLY way he will get through a season. And with them exercsing a 5M option on him...that suggest they expect to get 2 more years out of him

 

[Jarv]

Yeah, I wonder how bad his knee is. It seemed like at one time last year there was some speculation that he might retire because of this condition.
I would not be surprised if he does not finish the season because of his knees.

The knee story did seem to fade away last year ? Then we gave a him a 3 million$ bonus. I hope the story had no leggs, pardon the pun.

 

[Hostile]

I was shocked when Jerry paid the 5 million dollar roster bonus for Glenn. Granted they restructured the deal to make it more palatable, but I really was kind of that they didn't waive him. I'm glad we didn't. I really believe that this is the perfect year to draft a rookie WR in the 1st and let them see the work ethic of Owens and Glenn and ease into the role.

 

[GlitzCowboy]

This is real. And how much anyone wanna bet he's been underplaying it just to make it to this spring so he could collect that big bonus he had coming? Bottom line, he's always been a Tuna, not a Cowboy, and never has been- his loyalties are no longer with this team. It would not surprise me in the least if that's exactly what he's been doing and come sometime around preseason we hear he's "aggrivated" it some more and won't beable to play. This player is about as manipulative as they come. And I've been saying it all along, with Parcells gone, suddenly the "reins" have been set down also. Troubles coming and it's number is 83.

In all reality, a WR with #1 is exactly what we should be doing. We can count on 81 for a year or two more, but I wouldn't hold any stock in 83 now that his only reason for being here is gone, not to mention he's never played well as a "#2"- it's just not in his mentality- and his looming injured knees. With Big Bill not here anylonger to keep him in place, honestly, what is to stop him from behaving in the exact same manor that got him booted from both the Pats and the Packers? Do people honsestly think he's changed? With TO, he can benefit greatly from being here and behaving, with Terry I just don't predict the same outcome, nor do I believe that he believes he couldn't just as easily get a job on another team and more than likely be a #1, his greatest heart's desire. The only reason he signed with us last year and didn't go the way of Keyshawn was because Bill was here to coddle him, period. I'm telling yall, this year's headcase-ache will be Terry Glenn, no question about it. Let's just hope he doesn't manipulate TO into the drama also. Better yet, cause he will attempt to, let's hope TO doesn't fall hook, line 'n sinker, into this trap that's about to be laid.

 

[WoodysGirl]

So I did a bit more digging...and I was wrong about the bursitis. I deleted the post mentioning it.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70236&highlight=terry+glenn+knee

Will Glenn play? A game-time call
By CLARENCE E. HILL JR.
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

IRVING - Cowboys wide receiver Terry Glenn practiced briefly Friday after sitting out Wednesday and Thursday with a lingering right knee injury.

Glenn is listed as probable on the injury report for Sunday's game against Arizona but said it will be a game-time decision. He has chondromalacia, a roughening of the cartilage under his kneecap, and said he has trouble cutting.

Glenn had three catches for 26 yards, including a 10-yard touchdown, against Washington last week after getting a shot to numb the pain before the game. He said he will likely have to do the same in order to play against the Cardinals.

If Glenn doesn't play, rookie Sam Hurd will likely replace him in the lineup.

What is the chondromalacia patella?
Chondromalacia patella is the most common cause of chronic knee pain. Chondromalacia patella results from poor alignment of the kneecap (patella) as it slides over the lower end of the thigh bone (femur). Chondromalacia patella is also informally called "housemaid's knee" or "secretary's knee."

What are the symptoms of chondromalacia patella?
The symptoms of chondromalacia patella are generally a vague discomfort of the inner knee area, aggravated by activity (running, jumping, climbing or descending stairs) or by prolonged sitting with knees in a moderately bent position (the so called "theater sign" of pain upon arising from a desk or theater seat). Some patients may also have a vague sense of "tightness" or "fullness" in the knee area. Occasionally, if chronic symptoms are ignored, the associated loss of quadriceps (thigh) muscle strength may cause the leg to "give out." Besides an obvious reduction in quadriceps muscle mass, mild swelling of the knee area may occur.

How is chondromalacia patella treated?
The primary goal for treatment and rehabilitation of chondromalacia patella is to create a straighter pathway for the patella to follow during quadriceps contraction. Initial pain management involves avoiding motions which irritate the kneecap. Icing and anti-inflammatory medications (for examples, ibuprofen: Advil/Motrin or naproxen: Aleve) can also be helpful.

Selective strengthening of the inner portion of the quadriceps muscle will help normalize the tracking of the patella. Cardiovascular conditioning can be maintained by stationary bicycling (low resistance, but high rpms), pool running, or swimming (flutter kick). Reviewing any changes in training prior to chondromalacia patella pain, as well as examining running shoes for proper biomechanical fit are critical to avoid repeating the painful cycle. Generally, full squat exercises with weights are avoided. Occasionally, bracing with patellar centering devices are required.

Stretching and strengthening the quadriceps and hamstring muscle groups is critical for an effective and lasting rehabilitation of chondromalacia patella. "Quad sets" are the foundation of such a program. Quad sets are done by contraction the thigh muscles while the legs are straight and holding the contraction for a count of ten. Sets of 10 contractions are done between 15-20 times per day.

What is the outlook with chondromalacia patella?
Under optimal circumstances, the patient should have a rapid recovery and return at full functional level.

http://www.medicinenet.com/patellofemoral_syndrome/page2.htm

 

[BigDFan5]

This is real. And how much anyone wanna bet he's been underplaying it just to make it to this spring so he could collect that big bonus he had coming? Bottom line, he's always been a Tuna, not a Cowboy, and never has been- his loyalties are no longer with this team. It would not surprise me in the least if that's exactly what he's been doing and come sometime around preseason we hear he's "aggrivated" it some more and won't beable to play. This player is about as manipulative as they come. And I've been saying it all along, with Parcells gone, suddenly the "reins" have been set down also. Troubles coming and it's number is 83.

In all reality, a WR with #1 is exactly what we should be doing. We can count on 81 for a year or two more, but I wouldn't hold any stock in 83 now that his only reason for being here is gone, not to mention he's never played well as a "#2"- it's just not in his mentality- and his looming injured knees. With Big Bill not here anylonger to keep him in place, honestly, what is to stop him from behaving in the exact same manor that got him booted from both the Pats and the Packers? Do people honsestly think he's changed? With TO, he can benefit greatly from being here and behaving, with Terry I just don't predict the same outcome, nor do I believe that he believes he couldn't just as easily get a job on another team and more than likely be a #1, his greatest heart's desire. The only reason he signed with us last year and didn't go the way of Keyshawn was because Bill was here to coddle him, period. I'm telling yall, this year's headcase-ache will be Terry Glenn, no question about it. Let's just hope he doesn't manipulate TO into the drama also. Better yet, cause he will attempt to, let's hope TO doesn't fall hook, line 'n sinker, into this trap that's about to be laid.

dumbest post in the history of cowboszone, made on cowboyszones birthday congrats!!!

 

[zrinkill]

This is real. And how much anyone wanna bet he's been underplaying it just to make it to this spring so he could collect that big bonus he had coming? Bottom line, he's always been a Tuna, not a Cowboy, and never has been- his loyalties are no longer with this team. It would not surprise me in the least if that's exactly what he's been doing and come sometime around preseason we hear he's "aggrivated" it some more and won't beable to play. This player is about as manipulative as they come. And I've been saying it all along, with Parcells gone, suddenly the "reins" have been set down also. Troubles coming and it's number is 83.

Well thats a bunch of specutalive bullcrap, and thats alot of venom you are spewing at Terry Glenn who has done nothing but be the hardest working and solid wide receiver we have had for years and years.

You obviously have some sort of grudge against Glenn.

 

[WoodysGirl]

This is real. And how much anyone wanna bet he's been underplaying it just to make it to this spring so he could collect that big bonus he had coming? Bottom line, he's always been a Tuna, not a Cowboy, and never has been- his loyalties are no longer with this team. It would not surprise me in the least if that's exactly what he's been doing and come sometime around preseason we hear he's "aggrivated" it some more and won't beable to play. This player is about as manipulative as they come. And I've been saying it all along, with Parcells gone, suddenly the "reins" have been set down also. Troubles coming and it's number is 83.

In all reality, a WR with #1 is exactly what we should be doing. We can count on 81 for a year or two more, but I wouldn't hold any stock in 83 now that his only reason for being here is gone, not to mention he's never played well as a "#2"- it's just not in his mentality- and his looming injured knees. With Big Bill not here anylonger to keep him in place, honestly, what is to stop him from behaving in the exact same manor that got him booted from both the Pats and the Packers? Do people honsestly think he's changed? With TO, he can benefit greatly from being here and behaving, with Terry I just don't predict the same outcome, nor do I believe that he believes he couldn't just as easily get a job on another team and more than likely be a #1, his greatest heart's desire. The only reason he signed with us last year and didn't go the way of Keyshawn was because Bill was here to coddle him, period. I'm telling yall, this year's headcase-ache will be Terry Glenn, no question about it. Let's just hope he doesn't manipulate TO into the drama also. Better yet, cause he will attempt to, let's hope TO doesn't fall hook, line 'n sinker, into this trap that's about to be laid.

 

[fortdick]

I have had both the bone on bone condition and bursitis. Granted, it was in my arm from my days pitching minor league ball, but I can relate both conditions are painful and debilitating. I had bursitis in my shoulder. It was temporary, but prevented me from even raising my arm over my head. It eventually healed and I had no further problems.

The bone on bone thing was in my elbow and ruined my arm permanently. The biggest problem was the bone chips that keep flaking off. You can't stop them from happening and they will just ruin your day. Surgery won't help because more will flake off to replace those you remove.

To this day, I can't straighten out my throwing arm completely because of spurs and chips in the joint. It came on me fast and finished my baseball career just as fast.

If Glenn has this condition in his knees, he won't make it through another season without the pain and limiting effect of the condition.

Draft a WR right now!

 

[superpunk]

edited so as not to repost the garbage

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[zeromaster]

Well thats a bunch of specutalive bullcrap, and thats alot of venom you are spewing at Terry Glenn who has done nothing but be the hardest working and solid wide receiver we have had for years and years.

You obviously have some sort of grudge against Glenn.

Robert Pack?

 

[Pottsville Maroons]

On page 2 of this thread, http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74450&page=2&highlight=glenn+knee , La Tuna Nostra stated his knee condition is called Chrondomalacia. I found a link that explains the condition and it's treatment options: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=335209

Here is a quote found in that link:

"Many forms of nonoperative treatment exist, and most people's symptoms improve without surgery. Simply strengthening the muscles of the thigh can reduce knee pain. Bracing or taping the patella in conjunction with participating in an exercise program often successfully relieves pain.4 Treating a malaligned foot with the proper orthosis can lead to pain relief. Recently, American doctors have started using new gel medications that are injected into your knee. These gels make joint fluid thicker, essentially acting as a lubricant. When combined with an exercise program, these medications have relieved pain in some patients. Sometimes surgery can effectively treat chondromalacia."

Basically, it appears that this is a treatable condition for most people (85%, per the article). However, I'm still curious as to how effective the treatment is for professional athletes who happen to be a 33? year old starting WR for the Dallas Cowboys.

I have no agenda regarding Terry Glenn. He's done well here, better than I expected. My concern is whether or not he will be able to continue to do so.

 

[zrinkill]

Robert Pack?

That would make sense

 

[WoodysGirl]

On page 2 of this thread, http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74450&page=2&highlight=glenn+knee , La Tuna Nostra stated his knee condition is called Chrondomalacia. I found a link that explains the condition and it's treatment options: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=335209

Here is a quote found in that link:

"Many forms of nonoperative treatment exist, and most people's symptoms improve without surgery. Simply strengthening the muscles of the thigh can reduce knee pain. Bracing or taping the patella in conjunction with participating in an exercise program often successfully relieves pain.4 Treating a malaligned foot with the proper orthosis can lead to pain relief. Recently, American doctors have started using new gel medications that are injected into your knee. These gels make joint fluid thicker, essentially acting as a lubricant. When combined with an exercise program, these medications have relieved pain in some patients. Sometimes surgery can effectively treat chondromalacia."

Basically, it appears that this is a treatable condition for most people (85%, per the article). However, I'm still curious as to how effective the treatment is for professional athletes who happen to be a 33? year old starting WR for the Dallas Cowboys.

I have no agenda regarding Terry Glenn. He's done well here, better than I expected. My concern is whether or not he will be able to continue to do so.

With an offseason of rest and treatment, Potts, I think he'll be fine. It doesn't mean they should reach to take a WR in the draft. But if the value's there, I don't see any reason to stop them.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Chondromalacia patella is also informally called "housemaid's knee" or "secretary's knee."

Whatta perfect condition for a "she"... :

 

[eduncan22]

I'm in....I have been screaming this for months....why WAIT until Ownes and Glenn are no good and THEN address the position....Tony Romo needs a young WR that they can grow together over the next 8 years...this stance has Parcells written all over it...I think he has convinced the Cowboys that WRs can be found in any round of the draft.

And I also thought Glenn was poorly managed. I think if he has a bone on bone condition...he should take a couple of SERIES off every game. It will give his legs a blow AND it would give other WRs a chance to gain experience. Managing his condition is the ONLY way he will get through a season. And with them exercsing a 5M option on him...that suggest they expect to get 2 more years out of him

1) WE have an excellent 3rd WR who could be a #2

2) Our 2006 Pass Defense sucked. When you are ranked # 24 in the NFL, you don't get very far. We need to draft Defense.

3) This team needs a blue-chip right corner, to eventually replace Henry.

4) Our Pass Offense rocked last year. # 5 in the NFL.