Terry Glenns TD Coverage assignments

[Yakuza Rich]

I'm with Crown Royal on this one. There is no way you can blame that TD on Taylor.

If he follows Glenn, T.O. is so wide open it would have been unbelievable. The CB did nothing to reroute him and Owens was even more wide open than Glenn on that play and that is why Taylor was leaning more to his side.

Rogers did fine on that play. Owens ran out to the sideline and Bledsoe would have had to make a throw all the way across the field.

The ball was at the 40 and Taylor was at exactly the 23 yard line -- 17 yards away from the ball -- when it was snapped.

Gregg Williams' scheme relies on a MLB with good speed and cover skills. Marshall is a former college safety and he's often called on to help underneath against WR's on deep patterns. Taylor is a great athlete, but he's simply not nearly as fast as Terry Glenn. Williams probably figured that Taylor had to play way back to protect against the deep ball from Glenn and that Marshall could help out underneath on any short passes.

The defensive play looked like it was set up properly, we just had a good play call in place, good pass protection, a good throw by Glenn and Taylor was too slow in reacting to the pass (which isn't the end of the world with Terry Glenn as the WR he has to cover). Still, unless Gregg Williams says that TD wasn't Taylor's fault and gives some evidence backing up his point, I'll never believe that the TD wasn't on Taylor.


YAKUZA

 

[Zman5]

amazing...because if it were RW who had done that there's would have been 100's of posts talking about how it was solely his fault and how much he sux in coverage

David

:fact:

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Good thread all the way around. I really enjoy these types of discussions.

 

[Crown Royal]

Rogers did fine on that play. Owens ran out to the sideline and Bledsoe would have had to make a throw all the way across the field.

The ball was at the 40 and Taylor was at exactly the 23 yard line -- 17 yards away from the ball -- when it was snapped.

Gregg Williams' scheme relies on a MLB with good speed and cover skills. Marshall is a former college safety and he's often called on to help underneath against WR's on deep patterns. Taylor is a great athlete, but he's simply not nearly as fast as Terry Glenn. Williams probably figured that Taylor had to play way back to protect against the deep ball from Glenn and that Marshall could help out underneath on any short passes.

The defensive play looked like it was set up properly, we just had a good play call in place, good pass protection, a good throw by Glenn and Taylor was too slow in reacting to the pass (which isn't the end of the world with Terry Glenn as the WR he has to cover). Still, unless Gregg Williams says that TD wasn't Taylor's fault and gives some evidence backing up his point, I'll never believe that the TD wasn't on Taylor.


YAKUZA

Don't get me wrong - he was beat because Glenn is faster. I just don't think that 'getting beat = bad at coverage.' Applies to Taylor and Roy.

 

[yennor24]

When I looked at it I thought it was AA's fault. He got sucked in by Witt's underneath route...Are they really expecting Taylor to help out on Owens and get all the way across the field for coverage? Nobody can do that...I will say this, he impressed me......

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

soooo what people in this board want to hear......was it Taylor's fault for the TD?

Yeah I am good with that.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

Don't get me wrong - he was beat because Glenn is faster. I just don't think that 'getting beat = bad at coverage.' Applies to Taylor and Roy.

I agree. But the "Glenn wasn't his responsibility" and "it was a busted coverage" rebuttals are pretty much nonsense.


YAKUZA

 

[Duane]

Good thread all the way around. I really enjoy these types of discussions.

Especially when Adam owns someone with photos and second by second analysis of how something wasn't Newman's or Williams' fault.

 

[Rustinpeace21]

my whole point of the post was that there was supposed to be another corner where glenn caught the ball. 2/3 of the deep field was covered, 1/3 wasnt and watching the play the corner who was playing across the field from glenn got sucked into wittens route, instead of going deep where he could have met glenn. Marcus washington just got sucked into the play, Taylor had to choose between owens and glenn he chose late. I wish i could watch the play and name the corner who didnt cover his part of the field

 

[Byebye723]

Why do you guys think it's a cover 3?
both CBs press their man at the line, the middle line backer drops deep and both safeties line up deep.

don't you think that sounds like cover 2?
To me it looks like Archuleta blew his deep cover (cuz he thought witten was the deepest man on his side and didnt see Glenn coming across on the post)

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Especially when Adam owns someone with photos and second by second analysis of how something wasn't Newman's or Williams' fault.

Oh God I remember that! LOL!

I think there is still a chalk outline left somewhere from that one.

 

[Rustinpeace21]

Why do you guys think it's a cover 3?
both CBs press their man at the line, the middle line backer drops deep and both safeties line up deep.

don't you think that sounds like cover 2?
To me it looks like Archuleta blew his deep cover (cuz he thought witten was the deepest man on his side and didnt see Glenn coming across on the post)

if it was cover 2 taylor wouldnt be in the middle of the feild.

 

[AdamJT13]

if we were in cover 4 why would glenn be in man to man.

Because that's what cornerbacks do in Cover 4.

Who were the other 3 playing a deep zone?

Cover 4 doesn't mean four players playing deep zones.

I think marcus washington was so far down the field because he was playing a middle intermediate zone and realized no one coming through his zone and he saw glenn runnging down the field. I belive its a cover there cause 2/3 of the deep field was covered. The middle by taylor, the left by the corner and the other side was vacant. Teams dont just leave sides of the field vacant. Just because its a cover 3 doesnt mean Adam Arch has to be playiong deep, he could be playing an intermediate zone, like Roy against mcnabb last year

I don't think you know much about coverages.

 

[superpunk]

Cover 4 doesn't mean four players playing deep zones.

Provided we're all talking about cover four/quarters, etc., there would be four players in deep coverage each responsible for one-fourth the width of the field. We could have man coverage within that base, but 4 players would have deep coverage.

 

[Rustinpeace21]

Provided we're all talking about cover four/quarters, etc., there would be four players in deep coverage each responsible for one-fourth the width of the field. We could have man coverage within that base, but 4 players would have deep coverage.

yes thats what im assuming, i dunno why this guy is taking it so personal. Cover 2 theres 2 deep men, Cover 3 theres 3 deep men. Why would Cover 4 not have 4 deep men

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Provided we're all talking about cover four/quarters, etc., there would be four players in deep coverage each responsible for one-fourth the width of the field. We could have man coverage within that base, but 4 players would have deep coverage.

Good!

I enjoy watching someone challenge AdamJT13... It's very brave-- but usually quite stupid.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

yes thats what im assuming, i dunno why this guy is taking it so personal. Cover 2 theres 2 deep men, Cover 3 theres 3 deep men. Why would Cover 4 not have 4 deep men

Oh good!

We have a second in line-- so when SP goes down in defeat Rustinpeace will have a chance to live up to his handle.

 

[AdamJT13]

Provided we're all talking about cover four/quarters, etc., there would be four players in deep coverage each responsible for one-fourth the width of the field. We could have man coverage within that base, but 4 players would have deep coverage.

We went over this last year. Cover 4 is NOT a four-deep zone. In Cover 4, the cornerbacks play man-to-man on the outside receivers. The safeties play man-to-man on the inside receiver on their side IF that player runs a vertical route. If that player cuts his route short, the safety then doubles the outside receiver on his side.

On the first Moss play last season, Roy's man (Cooley) ran a deep post, and Roy correctly covered him. When the ball was thrown, he followed the ball and almost got there in time to break it up. But he had NO coverage responsibility on Moss on that play. It was purely Glenn's coverage.

On the second Moss play, Roy's man (Cooley again) ran an out at medium depth, but he didn't cut it short soon enough for Roy to be in position to cover Moss over the top (Roy actually correctly anticipated that Cooley wouldn't run a vertical route, but it still wasn't soon enough). That's why Roy said he was stuck in a spot where he has to cover two players and why Parcells said it "wasn't really Roy's play." Because of the coverage and the routes involved, Roy would have had to have ignored his primary responsibility (Cooley) in order to help Glenn cover Moss.

 

[tomson75]

Oh good!

We have a second in line-- so when SP goes down in defeat Rustinpeace will have a chance to live up to his handle.

This IS good stuff isn't it!

 

[Rustinpeace21]

We went over this last year. Cover 4 is NOT a four-deep zone. In Cover 4, the cornerbacks play man-to-man on the outside receivers. The safeties play man-to-man on the inside receiver on their side IF that player runs a vertical route. If that player cuts his route short, the safety then doubles the outside receiver on his side.

On the first Moss play last season, Roy's man (Cooley) ran a deep post, and Roy correctly covered him. When the ball was thrown, he followed the ball and almost got there in time to break it up. But he had NO coverage responsibility on Moss on that play. It was purely Glenn's coverage.

On the second Moss play, Roy's man (Cooley again) ran an out at medium depth, but he didn't cut it short soon enough for Roy to be in position to cover Moss over the top (Roy actually correctly anticipated that Cooley wouldn't run a vertical route, but it still wasn't soon enough). That's why Roy said he was stuck in a spot where he has to cover two players and why Parcells said it "wasn't really Roy's play." Because of the coverage and the routes involved, Roy would have had to have ignored his primary responsibility (Cooley) in order to help Glenn cover Moss.

no need to get annoyed alright man. But i would like to no what defense you think washington was running when tg scored. To me it appears that 2/3 of the deep field is covered and that glenn ran to the empty zone and it appered that someone should have been in the are, due to taylor hesitating while staying in his zone