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BigStar

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Or we could try this crazy concept of getting him the ball more?? Starts with the coach and the scheme. Bubble screens, reverses, short slants, line him in the slot more, ect ect....there's absolutely no creativity to the offense and it shows up when the run game isn't working well or we're down.

This is how I see it too. I find it surprising his numbers are as good as they are considering the lack of innovation regarding his touches. He gets a lot of touches, but not productive (RAC) catch opportunities (deep balls, deep crosses and slants mainly). You definitely re-sign and work to improve the QB play/coaching. People seem to forget he doesn't get deep ball opportunities due to Romo's health the last two seasons.
 

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The amount of rookie WR's having success this year makes me feel like Dez is expendable, but I don't trust the Cowboys decision makers to be able to adequately replace him, so it's probably best we re-sign him, even though I don't think he's worth top 3 money.
 

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Oh my god. These threads are getting ********. How can the team benefit by not resigning either Dez or Murray without a viable way of replacing them. Makes no sense. Talking about give me a guy with more than 10 td's. Ok, that's 10 td's you don't have without Dez and probably a couple of wins and a chance at the playoffs. People need to kill these ridiculous threads.
 

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Oh my god. These threads are getting ********. How can the team benefit by not resigning either Dez or Murray without a viable way of replacing them. Makes no sense. Talking about give me a guy with more than 10 td's. Ok, that's 10 td's you don't have without Dez and probably a couple of wins and a chance at the playoffs. People need to kill these ridiculous threads.

People have this wierd logic that they can just get a bunch of players to make up for Dez's or Demarco's salary and get consistent play or production. Its silly logic. Regardless of how bad or good Murray and Dez are, teams have to gameplan for them. You take that away and this offense gets WORSE.
 

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People have this wierd logic that they can just get a bunch of players to make up for Dez's or Demarco's salary and get consistent play or production. Its silly logic. Regardless of how bad or good Murray and Dez are, teams have to gameplan for them. You take that away and this offense gets WORSE.

I see your point, but think about it. Dez is a huge talent, but his talent is not being maximized with this current scheme and with Romo. Romo is struggling with the deep ball. I don't think next year and the year after he's going to improve in that area. His back won't let him.

Our scheme sucks. It's effective against poor defenses, because that's where the talent comes into play, and Dez really shines. But against a good defense with smart coaches and players, they have the ability to make him a non factor.

Same Romo and same scheme, Dez is not worth it. Unfortunately, those two things aren't changing anytime soon, so the team might as well focus on what really wins you games: Defense.

The Iggles are the perfect example of how a good scheme turns average players into good players. Our scheme does the opposite.
 

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Doesn't #88 lead all WR's in RD's the last 2 years?

Isn't #88 the emotional leader of the team?

I'd hate to see what our offense would look like without him.

Like his fire on the sidelines , and his desire to win. If the refs would look closer at the muggings he's getting he would be even more impactful.
 

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The bottom line is that teams, good and bad (Skins), are capable of taking Dez out of the game. He struggles to beat double teams, and the top corners cover him man to man.

He is a man among boys when playing boys....not so much when playing men. (Figuratively, of course)
 

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Finally. Thank you.

My point is that this team will not benefit one bit by signing Dez long term. Not with Romo at QB.

Money needs to be spent elsewhere or we will see the same crap year after year. Beating the bad teams, but losing to the good teams.

Lol, at the thinly veiled attempt at Romo hate.
 

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Now I want you all to look at the stats below. Look closely. What do you see? There is no wrong or right answer, but give me more than "a guy who has 10 TD's"

Opp. Rec. Yds. TD
SF. 4. 55. 0
TEN. 10. 103. 1
STL. 6. 89. 1
NO. 3. 44. 1
HOU 9. 85. 1
SEA. 4. 63. 0
NYG. 9. 151. 0
WAS. 3. 30. 1
ARZ. 2. 15. 1
JAC. 6. 158. 2
NYG. 7. 86. 2
PHI. 4. 73. 0

A player that does not show up against 3-4 teams that blitz...
 

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Dear Jerry,
This is Fredd, a long-time fan of the team since the early 70's. Need a favor. Please get Dez signed. I can't waste more time seeing the 500 threads about that every day. Also, while you are at it, feel free to bring a football-mind to be GM. Oh, and in this season of giving, please do WHATEVER it takes to instill some home-field advantage into this stadium. Why don't you start by giving away 10,000 nose-bleed tickets for every game to anyone that shows up outside of the stadium wearing a Cowboys jersey, and is barbequing in the parking lot with a beer in their hand.

Cordially,

-Fredd-
 

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Everyone knows dominant WRs grow on trees plus we rarely ever miss in the draft, we nearly have a perfect track record drafting so let's let him walk and just draft a guy who can easily fill his shoes.
 

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Release Dez and this teamis screw. Lets get something understood here. Romo is no Brady and JG is no Belicheck. You cant surround Romo with crap and expect excellence. If T will was putting up monster numbers along with another wr in the wing then I could agree. But as we stand now Twill has way more issues than Dez. If we let Murray and Dez go their production must be replace. 10 tds for wr and over 1k rushing are not amateur numbers. We roll dice with our D last year doing this same mess and look at us. A patch job D that is starting to fall apart.
 

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I see your point, but think about it. Dez is a huge talent, but his talent is not being maximized with this current scheme and with Romo. Romo is struggling with the deep ball. I don't think next year and the year after he's going to improve in that area. His back won't let him.

Our scheme sucks. It's effective against poor defenses, because that's where the talent comes into play, and Dez really shines. But against a good defense with smart coaches and players, they have the ability to make him a non factor.

Same Romo and same scheme, Dez is not worth it. Unfortunately, those two things aren't changing anytime soon, so the team might as well focus on what really wins you games: Defense.

The Iggles are the perfect example of how a good scheme turns average players into good players. Our scheme does the opposite.

I don't think the deep ball should be the only thing Dez should be accounted for though. He's not getting anything underneath. He's not getting any short routes where he's running across the middle. I could be wrong but from the telecast it looks like he runs the same 2 or 3 routes all game. Must be easy for a corner to defend him than it is other receivers in this league.

I just don't think the answer is letting him walk. I think the answer is start running plays that caters to Dez's skillset.
 

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The amount of rookie WR's having success this year makes me feel like Dez is expendable,

It makes me feel like they could find someone opposite of Dez to take the heat off. Irvin & Harper, Pearson & Hill. I just don't see how losing a stud like Dez is going to help. They just need to add to it, not subtract. Less is not more in this case.
 

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I don't think the deep ball should be the only thing Dez should be accounted for though. He's not getting anything underneath. He's not getting any short routes where he's running across the middle. I could be wrong but from the telecast it looks like he runs the same 2 or 3 routes all game. Must be easy for a corner to defend him than it is other receivers in this league.

I just don't think the answer is letting him walk. I think the answer is start running plays that caters to Dez's skillset.

But again, if the coaches aren't giving him routes that complement his abilities, then he's being underutilized. Why pay a guy huge $ that's being underutilized?

If he does come back, then we'll see the same crap next year. 10 for 150 vs. Jacksonville, followed by 4 for 40 vs. San Fran.
 

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Oh my god. These threads are getting ********. How can the team benefit by not resigning either Dez or Murray without a viable way of replacing them. Makes no sense. Talking about give me a guy with more than 10 td's. Ok, that's 10 td's you don't have without Dez and probably a couple of wins and a chance at the playoffs. People need to kill these ridiculous threads.

Yep - it's getting to be the insane clown posse around here.

Let the season play out, I never read where it was over already. Geez.
 

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Finally. Thank you.

My point is that this team will not benefit one bit by signing Dez long term. Not with Romo at QB.

Money needs to be spent elsewhere or we will see the same crap year after year. Beating the bad teams, but losing to the good teams.

I see a player who doesn't get the ball enough... is this really dez?
 
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