Texan Fans are very upset!

[silver]

The Texans made the right choice.

I'd take Julius Peppers over Ricky Williams anyday.

would you take Aundray Bruce over Michael Irvin?
Dan Wilkinson over Marshall Faulk?
Andre Wadsworth over Randy Moss?
Courney brown over Jamal Lewis?
Leonard Davis over Ladanian Tomlinson?
Dewayne Robertson over Larry Johnson?

 

[cowboyuptx]

The Texans had an even better draft this year, than Dallas did in 2005.

Mario WIlliams
DeMeco Ryans - 2 instant impact players for their defense.

Charles Spencer
Eric Winston - 2 highly rated Tackles that will hopefully (for them), be cornerstones on their OL for years to come.

With this draft, the Texans laid a strong foundation on both sides of the ball.
A+ DRAFT, IMO.

Bush was the "sexy" pick, but anyone who knows football, knows that the last thing Houston needed right now was a RB.

 

[jackrussell]

Husbaldo Artega, who wore his newly purchased No. 5 USC Reggie Bush jersey for the occasion

Sucks to be you, Husbaldo!:laugh2: (can I call you Baldo for short?)

 

[Longboysfan]

And I wonder in if, in five years or so, the Texans fans will feel the same way if Reggie Bush turns out to be another Ki-Jana Carter

Too True.

 

[Doomsday101]

Granted no one knows how any of these guys will fair but for argument sake should Bush turn out to be the next Barry Sanders and Williams turns out to be the next Pepper which would you rather have? Myself I take the guy who every time he touches the ball has a chance to take it to the house. I'm not knocking the Williams I think he will be a very good player but I also think Reggie Bush could turn out to be a once in a life time RB, the guy has speed, great vision, can stop on a dime and then accelerate back to top speed.

 

[Eddie]

would you take Aundray Bruce over Michael Irvin?
Dan Wilkinson over Marshall Faulk?
Andre Wadsworth over Randy Moss?
Courney brown over Jamal Lewis?
Leonard Davis over Ladanian Tomlinson?
Dewayne Robertson over Larry Johnson?

You just want to argue to argue.

Texans made the right choice. If not, who cares???

 

[thewivil]

Granted no one knows how any of these guys will fair but for argument sake should Bush turn out to be the next Barry Sanders and Williams turns out to be the next Pepper which would you rather have? Myself I take the guy who every time he touches the ball has a chance to take it to the house. I'm not knocking the Williams I think he will be a very good player but I also think Reggie Bush could turn out to be a once in a life time RB, the guy has speed, great vision, can stop on a dime and then accelerate back to top speed.

I agree wholeheartedly. More often than not a great running back will have more impact on a game than a great defensive end.

I think when you have as many holes on a team, like Houston does, you try to get the best player at any position that becomes available.

Trying to gameplan and gear your defense to stop the Colts when your team can barely win a couple games is insane. How about try to put together a winning season before you start focusing on the best in your division?

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree wholeheartedly. More often than not a great running back will have more impact on a game than a great defensive end.

I think when you have as many holes on a team, like Houston does, you try to get the best player at any position that becomes available.

Trying to gameplan and gear your defense to stop the Colts when your team can barely win a couple games is insane. How about try to put together a winning season before you start focusing on the best in your division?

I still think trading the overall #1 for multiple picks would have been the best move for Houston. As you said they have many holes and Williams is not going to solve that. However if your not going to trade the pick then getting a playmaker like Bush I think would help Carr out quite a bit with Bush's ability to come out of the back field in the passing game and again the ability to take it to the house each times he touches the ball. I don't believe it is very often when a franchise can get a back like Bush player like him do not come around very often.

 

[wileedog]

Granted no one knows how any of these guys will fair but for argument sake should Bush turn out to be the next Barry Sanders and Williams turns out to be the next Pepper which would you rather have? Myself I take the guy who every time he touches the ball has a chance to take it to the house. I'm not knocking the Williams I think he will be a very good player but I also think Reggie Bush could turn out to be a once in a life time RB, the guy has speed, great vision, can stop on a dime and then accelerate back to top speed.

The problem is IMO he's not a 25-30 carry a game guy. Sanders was built much stouter than he is. I don't think you can just give the ball to Bush 6-7-8 carries in a row and let him dominate a game.

I understand what you guys are saying, and I understand the logic, but I still don't consider the Texan move completely stupid or worth most of the criticism its getting.

 

[trickblue]

The problem is IMO he's not a 25-30 carry a game guy. Sanders was built much stouter than he is. I don't think you can just give the ball to Bush 6-7-8 carries in a row and let him dominate a game.

I understand what you guys are saying, and I understand the logic, but I still don't consider the Texan move completely stupid or worth most of the criticism its getting.

I feel the same way. That's alot of money to pay for a 10-15 touch guy...

No doubt he is talented, but IMO he doesn't have the frame to be an every down back...

 

[Doomsday101]

I feel the same way. That's alot of money to pay for a 10-15 touch guy...

No doubt he is talented, but IMO he doesn't have the frame to be an every down back...

5'11 200 pounds I don't consider all that small and chances are he will be able to add a little more to his frame. I think he will be touching the ball more than 10 to 15 times a game for NO

 

[trickblue]

5'11 200 pounds I don't consider all that small and chances are he will be able to add a little more to his frame. I think he will be touching the ball more than 10 to 15 times a game for NO

I'm sure he can add a little to his frame, but he isn't the prototypical build of an NFL RB. Couple that with the fact that he split time in college, so he hasn't taken the full brunt of a college game too many times, much less an NFL game.

As I said, I think he has fantastic skils, but I don't think he can take the rigors of the NFL game at 25-30 touches a game. Plus if NO doesn't deal McAllister then he will get plenty of carries as well...

My fear for him is a knee injury as he runs with his knees very high, much like Gale Sayers...

Just my opinion...

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm sure he can add a little to his frame, but he isn't the prototypical build of an NFL RB. Couple that with the fact that he split time in college, so he hasn't taken the full brunt of a college game too many times, much less an NFL game.

As I said, I think he has fantastic skils, but I don't think he can take the rigors of the NFL game at 25-30 touches a game. Plus if NO doesn't deal McAllister then he will get plenty of carries as well...

My fear for him is a knee injury as he runs with his knees very high, much like Gale Sayers...

Just my opinion...

Heck I don't want any back having to run 25 to 30 times I do think Bush can get the 15 to 20 carries a game and a few more touches in the passing game. I just think the guy is explosive and has the ability to hit the big play every time he touches the ball and because of that I would take him over Williams any day of the week and I'm a defensive minded person but I don't see guys with Bush's ability that often in the draft. As you said this is an opinion and we will see how this plays out but if Bush does turn into a Barry Sanders type player I think the Texans will be kicking themselfs for years

 

[trickblue]

Heck I don't want any back having to run 25 to 30 times I do think Bush can get the 15 to 20 carries a game and a few more touches in the passing game. I just think the guy is explosive and has the ability to hit the big play every time he touches the ball and because of that I would take him over Williams any day of the week and I'm a defensive minded person but I don't see guys with Bush's ability that often in the draft. As you said this is an opinion and we will see how this plays out but if Bush does turn into a Barry Sanders type player I think the Texans will be kicking themselfs for years

I agree on his explosiveness...

If I had been Houston, I would have worked a deal with the Jets, then taken Ferguson and picked up their late first rounder.

With Kubiak coming into Houston, they, like Denver, will be able to plug plenty of RB's in there that will be productive. That won't happen until they beef up the OL, and they could have done that in this draft...

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree on his explosiveness...

If I had been Houston, I would have worked a deal with the Jets, then taken Ferguson and picked up their late first rounder.

With Kubiak coming into Houston, they, like Denver, will be able to plug plenty of RB's in there that will be productive. That won't happen until they beef up the OL, and they could have done that in this draft...

True I stated earlier in the thread that in Houston situation I would have looked to trade the over all #1 for multiple picks but if you’re going to stay then I would have taken Bush. I agree that with the system that Kubiak brings to Houston it is a great system for a RB but then why not put a great RB in that system who has great cut back ability and home run speed.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I agree wholeheartedly. More often than not a great running back will have more impact on a game than a great defensive end.

I think when you have as many holes on a team, like Houston does, you try to get the best player at any position that becomes available.

Trying to gameplan and gear your defense to stop the Colts when your team can barely win a couple games is insane. How about try to put together a winning season before you start focusing on the best in your division?

Why do have to post our conversations here?

I think Houston did the right thing. I wish they would've drafted Bush and then traded him for picks, but I still think they selected the right player.

You can't draft one player and expect him to take you to the playoffs. I think Bush is special, but it doesn't matter how special he is when your offense constantly has to start deep in their own territory. It doesn't matter how special your RB is if the QB doesn't have time to hand the ball off or pass it.

The Texans needed defensive help and they got it. They needed OL, and they got it. There is nothing wrong with Domanick Davis, so why replace him?
In three years with the Texans, he's averaging 1,065 yards rushing and 425 receiving yards. He's done that with probably the worst OL in the league.

With a new head coach who really understands the blocking game and how to exploit RBs, they're going to be fine at RB.

People have compared him to the game-changing back Barry Sanders. How many rings does Barry have? How many times did the Lions make it to the playoffs? Two, maybe three?

 

[Doomsday101]

Why do have to post our conversations here?

I think Houston did the right thing. I wish they would've drafted Bush and then traded him for picks, but I still think they selected the right player.

You can't draft one player and expect him to take you to the playoffs. I think Bush is special, but it doesn't matter how special he is when your offense constantly has to start deep in their own territory. It doesn't matter how special your RB is if the QB doesn't have time to hand the ball off or pass it.

The Texans needed defensive help and they got it. They needed OL, and they got it. There is nothing wrong with Domanick Davis, so why replace him?
In three years with the Texans, he's averaging 1,065 yards rushing and 425 receiving yards. He's done that with probably the worst OL in the league.

With a new head coach who really understands the blocking game and how to exploit RBs, they're going to be fine at RB.

People have compared him to the game-changing back Barry Sanders. How many rings does Barry have? How many times did the Lions make it to the playoffs? Two, maybe three?

1 Davis is a good back but not very explosive as for Barry Sander your right he has no rings but he made Detriot a much better team because of his ability and helped them to the playoffs which they would not have made had it not been for Sanders

 

[jackrussell]

25-30 touches a game eh?

Wow. On the lesser estimate of 25 that means 400 touches over a 16 game season. Tiki Barber (huge, rugged guy that he is ) had 411 touches on 357 carries and 54 receptions to be at the top of the league.

On the maximum estimate of 30 touches a game, we're looking for a guy to have 480 touches over a full season. Yeah, a long list of guys qualify for that every year.

So in essence, you aren't going to pay someone that kind of money to do something that nobody does.

Makes perfect sense.

But you are going pay someone that kind of money to hopefully get you 15 sacks and a handful of pressures.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

1 Davis is a good back but not very explosive as for Barry Sander your right he has no rings but he made Detriot a much better team because of his ability and helped them to the playoffs which they would not have made had it not been for Sanders

So your thought is it doesn't matter if you never win a SB so long as you have a special back who makes your team better... interesting.

I would rather have a "normal" back with a balanced offense/defense and win a few rings along the way.

 

[Doomsday101]

So your thought is it doesn't matter if you never win a SB so long as you have a special back who makes your team better... interesting.

I would rather have a "normal" back with a balanced offense/defense and win a few rings along the way.

I did not say that but then again you think selecting Williams puts Houston any closer to a ring let a lone the playoffs? Marino never got a ring but his play made Miami a more competitive team and with a few more parts they very well could have gotten the ring same with Sanders in Det. All I'm saying is Bush I think will be a major playmaker who because of him his team will be a more competitive team and a more explosive team because of his ability. He will not take NO to a SB by himself but he will make NO a dangerous team.