Texas A&M move to SEC held up by legal threat...

[Aikbach]

It is obvious you have deep contempt for the Aggies. You should go cool off before you blow a gasket.

I have deep contempt for classless trolls such as yourself, i think you need to heed your own advice, i like how you gloss over the reality of the situation, it shows how divorced you are from it.

 

[Aikbach]

Right, you were the clown running your mouth last year about Baylor running roughshod over the Aggies and winning the Big 12 South. I remember you disappearing quickly after the Aggies turned that game around. Don't talk to me about sportsmanship or respect when you and Baylor do nothing to earn either.

Enjoy your future of being dominated in C-USA.

I can't talk to you about sportsmanship, you're right about one thing, you've not ever displayed it.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Not so, football is the sexy money maker which has definitely struggled up until recent but Baylor actually has the most Big 12 titles and National Championships collectively across sports behind only the University of Texas.

This is just false. Baylor isnt even in the top four.

Basically Baylor is just making sure A&M pays top dollar for taking back their pledge less than a calendar year to be fully committed to the Big 12, if you don't enforce stiff penalties for voiding a contract then what is the point in having a contract or a conference.

A&M pledged to the stay with the Big XII as it stood last summer. That situation changed, and thus the agreement is null and void. You can thank Texas for going back on their word with regards to not trying to broadcast UIL games on their network. Besides, Baylor is threatening to sue the SEC, not A&M.

 

[xout]

As an outsider to the situation, I think Baylor is being petty but I understand where they are coming from. A&M leaving will set up a faster paced downfall of the Big 12, of which will leave Baylor out in the cold. This is a desperate attempt to possibly cause the SEC to just back off and force A&M to stay.

The Big 12 crumbling means Baylor (with the Kansas schools and ISU) are left fighting for relevance in the Mountain West or Conference-USA.

 

[Cythim]

As an outsider to the situation, I think Baylor is being petty but I understand where they are coming from. A&M leaving will set up a faster paced downfall of the Big 12, of which will leave Baylor out in the cold. This is a desperate attempt to possibly cause the SEC to just back off and force A&M to stay.

The Big 12 crumbling means Baylor (with the Kansas schools and ISU) are left fighting for relevance in the Mountain West or Conference-USA.

The Big East will possibly be an option if it doesn't get raided by the ACC/SEC/Big 10. I think the conference wants to stick together because of their power in basketball but we will have to see what happens. Baylor may be left out in the cold no matter what.

 

[Cythim]

I have deep contempt for classless trolls such as yourself, i think you need to heed your own advice, i like how you gloss over the reality of the situation, it shows how divorced you are from it.

You use a lot of "big" words without knowing what they mean, its cute

 

[The30YardSlant]

As an outsider to the situation, I think Baylor is being petty but I understand where they are coming from. A&M leaving will set up a faster paced downfall of the Big 12, of which will leave Baylor out in the cold. This is a desperate attempt to possibly cause the SEC to just back off and force A&M to stay.

The Big 12 crumbling means Baylor (with the Kansas schools and ISU) are left fighting for relevance in the Mountain West or Conference-USA.

The problem is that Baylor knows that their threat of litigation is bogus and yet they are doing it anyway. They think that the ends justify the means. Their alumni and fans think that making up this "tortious interference" charge is ok because they are doing it in the best interest of their program. If the SEC had actually violated any rules or contacted us first, it would still be petty but at least defensible. As it stands, this situation is casting Baylor, it's administration and it's alumni in such an awful light that I can't believe there are high ups within that university willing to go along with it. What conference is going to want them after this charade? Ken Starr and Baylor has shown they lack even the smallest shred of dignity. I really feel for the Baylor fans that I know who are against this and embarrassed by it, because a national audience now has a negative perception of them.

 

[jimmy40]

Baylor is really embarrassing themselves in all of this. They know this is going to happen eventually and this little charade is born out of anger and spite.

I'd like to add that Baylor didnt have a problem screwing over SMU and TCU when teh SWC fell apart. Their current stance is the definition of hypocricy.

aggie talking about someone doing something out of anger and spite?

 

[Aikbach]

The problem is that Baylor knows that their threat of litigation is bogus and yet they are doing it anyway. They think that the ends justify the means. Their alumni and fans think that making up this "tortious interference" charge is ok because they are doing it in the best interest of their program. If the SEC had actually violated any rules or contacted us first, it would still be petty but at least defensible. As it stands, this situation is casting Baylor, it's administration and it's alumni in such an awful light that I can't believe there are high ups within that university willing to go along with it. What conference is going to want them after this charade? Ken Starr and Baylor has shown they lack even the smallest shred of dignity. I really feel for the Baylor fans that I know who are against this and embarrassed by it, because a national audience now has a negative perception of them.

Iowa State has said not so fast as well:
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...iowa-state-legal-rights-texas-a38m-move-sec/1

Like has already been said, it's just to make sure maximum penalty for not honoring a contract is paid, if schools bail they can't walk away without feeling it and that's all there is to it.

And i think you're really too impressed with how highly you think people care about A&M leaving, a national audience doesn't care about where they go and most SEC fans aren't impressed by the addition one iota.

 

[Aikbach]

You use a lot of "big" words without knowing what they mean, its cute

Substance as usual evades you, sorry that a vocabulary threatens you, but what else is new.

 

[The30YardSlant]

aggie talking about someone doing something out of anger and spite?

If you want to continue believing we left for the SEC solely to spite Texas, then go ahead. Nevermind the increased revenue, exposure and stability.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Iowa State has said not so fast as well:
http://content.usatoday.com/communi...iowa-state-legal-rights-texas-a38m-move-sec/1

Like has already been said, it's just to make sure maximum penalty for not honoring a contract is paid, if schools bail they can't walk away without feeling it and that's all there is to it.

And i think you're really too impressed with how highly you think people care about A&M leaving, a national audience doesn't care about where they go and most SEC fans aren't impressed by the addition one iota.

I don't know what you want me to say. Congrats on being on the same level as Iowa State?

And again, there is no longer a contract to be honored. Texas broke the terms of the agreement when they attempted to show UIL sponsored events and get a second conference game on their network. Not to mention that it was gentleman's agreement to begin with. A&M, nor anybody else, signed anything last summer. Baylor has no legal ground to stand on and is fabricating SEC interference in an attempt to stay in an AQ conference.

As for the significance of the move, this will almost certainly be the move that kicks off the race to 16 team superconferences. If this happens, and it will, there will likely be at least two 16 team conferences by 2013 (PAC and SEC). SEC fans and media personalities have spent the last 24 hours ripping Baylor apart via various media outlets. The SEC knows the significance of acquiring the Texas market and the recruits and televisions that come along with it, even if you don't. They also know they stand to increase their revenue with a revamped TV deal. Bitterness seems to have clouded your perspective, this move is so much bigger than just Baylor, A&M and the fall of the Big XII.

 

[Aikbach]

If you want to continue believing we left for the SEC solely to spite Texas, then go ahead. Nevermind the increased revenue, exposure and stability.

The Sporting News sides with Baylor, so it looks liek the national press ain't so favorable to A&M, basically your president jumped the gun saying all had waved, now multiple schools are coming forward say "No we didn't":
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...ls-have-long-term-goals-in-mind#ixzz1XJjrKG3y

 

[Aikbach]

Baylor was lucky not to join TCU, SMU, Houston and Rice when the Big 12 was formed.

Let's see. #20 football team in the country. #9 MBB team in the country. #1 WBB team in the country. Top 10 Men and Women's tennis. Top 10 Softball team. Top 25 baseball team. What am I missing here? Why is Baylor looked at like the little dog? This is 2011, not 1998. Baylor is a force to be reckoned with in athletics now and will be just fine if the Big XII dissolves.

In the mean time your cowardly institution is going to pay big money for betraying it's contract.

 

[The30YardSlant]

The Sporting News sides with Baylor, so it looks liek the national press ain't so favorable to A&M, basically your president jumped the gun saying all had waved, now multiple schools are coming forward say "No we didn't":
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...ls-have-long-term-goals-in-mind#ixzz1XJjrKG3y

*Yawn*

Baylor and Iowa State are trying to argue that a group statement from the conference that they agreed to is not the same as individual signed waivers. Legally, they are right, but it's bush league and they know it. Forgive us for expecting a reputable univeristy to not shame itself in the name of hate.

 

[The30YardSlant]

What am I missing here? Why is Baylor looked at like the little dog?

Because of their weak fanbase, their irrelevance with regards to national media attention, their woeful athletic showing in the two revenue sports over the last 20 years, but most importantly the lack of television sets they bring. A&M and Texas bring with them to Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio markets. Again, your views on this subject are narrow and shortsighted and lack any perspective whatsoever. You don't seem to understand how college athletics works in the year 2011. It's about money and TV sets, of which Baylor brings neither. A couple years of incredibly moderate success is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Has A&M been great in football over the last decade? No, and yet the SEC still covets them.

And let's not act like Baylor is running on sustained success. Baylor is three years removed from being the worst overall football/basketball school of any major conference member. No BCS football conference school has a worse conference record since 1996. Only seven D-1 basketball programs have fewer conference wins since 1996, and most of them are in conferences I doubt you even know exist. And the fact that you bring up sports such as tennis as if that has any bearing on anything is laughable. A&M just won the women's basketball national title, and absolutely nobody cares. Football and to a much lesser extent basketball are where this discussion begins and ends, and even then it's about alumni bases and TV sets moreso than success.

In the mean time your cowardly institution is going to pay big money for betraying it's contract.

Worst case scenario, we pay no more than the $9 million Colorado and Nebraska paid (none of which was actually their money anyway, simply forfeited TV revenue). The more likely scenario is that we leave, OU, Okie State, Tech and Texas immediately bolt fot the PAC, Kansas leaves for the Big East soon, the Big XII dissolves and nobody pays anything as there is no longer a conference to collect. Also, as soon as the conference number drops below 8 the TV contract becomes null and void and nobody has any claim to lost TV revenue.

In other words, no matter what we won't be writing anyone a check. We may simply leave a chunk of our $20 million in TV revenue for this season to be split amongst the remaining conference members.

 

[lane]

i've been a fan of Texas A&M since 1975..

they are making a big mistake going to the sec.

them boys over there play a very physical brand of football.

 

[Aikbach]

I don't know what you want me to say. Congrats on being on the same level as Iowa State?

And again, there is no longer a contract to be honored. Texas broke the terms of the agreement when they attempted to show UIL sponsored events and get a second conference game on their network. Not to mention that it was gentleman's agreement to begin with. A&M, nor anybody else, signed anything last summer. Baylor has no legal ground to stand on and is fabricating SEC interference in an attempt to stay in an AQ conference.

As for the significance of the move, this will almost certainly be the move that kicks off the race to 16 team superconferences. If this happens, and it will, there will likely be at least two 16 team conferences by 2013 (PAC and SEC). SEC fans and media personalities have spent the last 24 hours ripping Baylor apart via various media outlets. The SEC knows the significance of acquiring the Texas market and the recruits and televisions that come along with it, even if you don't. They also know they stand to increase their revenue with a revamped TV deal. Bitterness seems to have clouded your perspective, this move is so much bigger than just Baylor, A&M and the fall of the Big XII.

What's clouded is your denial A&M sought their own tv contract and felt low balled by what they could achieve, a paltry 3 million compare to UT's 15 million, A&M broke their contract, they couldn't get their own network in order and bolted.

Fact is A&M didn't honor their commitments and now face a financial penalty and bad press, spin as you might the facts as seen by most honest observers do not favor A&M.

 

[Aikbach]

Because of their weak fanbase, their irrelevance with regards to national media attention, their woeful athletic showing in the two revenue sports over the last 20 years, but most importantly the lack of television sets they bring. A&M and Texas bring with them to Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio markets. Again, your views on this subject are narrow and shortsighted and lack any perspective whatsoever. You don't seem to understand how college athletics works in the year 2011. It's about money and TV sets, of which Baylor brings neither. A couple years of incredibly moderate success is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Has A&M been great in football over the last decade? No, and yet the SEC still covets them.

And let's not act like Baylor is running on sustained success. Baylor is three years removed from being the worst overall football/basketball school of any major conference member. No BCS football conference school has a worse conference record since 1996. Only seven D-1 basketball programs have fewer conference wins since 1996, and most of them are in conferences I doubt you even know exist. And the fact that you bring up sports such as tennis as if that has any bearing on anything is laughable. A&M just won the women's basketball national title, and absolutely nobody cares. Football and to a much lesser extent basketball are where this discussion begins and ends, and even then it's about alumni bases and TV sets moreso than success.



Worst case scenario, we pay no more than the $9 million Colorado and Nebraska paid (none of which was actually their money anyway, simply forfeited TV revenue). The more likely scenario is that we leave, OU, Okie State, Tech and Texas immediately bolt fot the PAC, Kansas leaves for the Big East soon, the Big XII dissolves and nobody pays anything as there is no longer a conference to collect. Also, as soon as the conference number drops below 8 the TV contract becomes null and void and nobody has any claim to lost TV revenue.

In other words, no matter what we won't be writing anyone a check. We may simply leave a chunk of our $20 million in TV revenue for this season to be split amongst the remaining conference members.

Despite blocs of words trying to deny it A&M is in a genuine legal pickle and your supposed justification of UT's network is weak and made disingenuous by the fact A&M sought their own and couldn't get a deal they liked.

So now A&M gets to leave the Big 12 bitterly and with a huge hit before they partake of a conference that will whip up on them and soon have them searching for yet another one so they can save face.

 

[The30YardSlant]

What's clouded is your denial A&M sought their own tv contract and felt low balled by what they could achieve, a paltry 3 million compare to UT's 15 million, A&M broke their contract, they couldn't get their own network in order and bolted.

Literally nothing about this is even remotely correct. Even the monetary number for Texas' deal is wrong. You literally couldnt have slipped more incorrect statements into so few chracters had you actively been trying to do so. A&M never seriously pursued our own network, nor did they try and make a joint venture with Texas as some have insinuated.

Fact is A&M didn't honor their commitments and now face a financial penalty and bad press, spin as you might the facts as seen by most honest observers do not favor A&M.

We honored our commitment right up until the point at which Texas stopped honoring theirs. And again, that is essentially irrelevant because nothing was ever put in writing. Do you not understand how the law works? No legal documentation means there is nothing keeping the agreement together but the word of the individual or institutution, and in this case Texas broke their word. Now we've broken ours. Finally, once again, this is not the legal rout Baylor is pursuing anyway. Baylor is threatening the SEC with litigation, not A&M. Baylor has publically expressed this is about keeping the conference together, not getting an exit fee from A&M.

I'm baffled at how you are able to stack falsehood on top of falsehood without so much as skipping a beat to consider the facts.