Texas Tech vs Oklahoma

[NickZepp]

Miller is the best WR OU has not Broyles. OU will have something like 7 or 8 guys drafted off this years team not counting Gresham and Bradford. And they have a lot of really talented that they never play. The coaching at OU has been terrible for years.

 

[CATCH17]

If you have that many NFL prospects and you're losing 5 college games in a season than you either have the worst coaching staff of all time or a lot of busts.

 

[NickZepp]

If you have that many NFL prospects and you're losing 5 college games in a season than you either have the worst coaching staff of all time or a lot of busts.

It'll prove to be the first part. Here's an interesting stat on OU this decade

2000-2004

In those 5 seasons we had 7 losses.
We won 90% of our games.
We won at least 85% of our games every season.


2005-2009

In those 5 seasons we already have 17 losses with OSU and a bowl remaining.
We've won 73% of our games.
We've only one 85% of our games once in those 5 years.

OU's gotten more and more players in the NFL from 05-08 than 00-04 also.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you really want to look at why OU has struggled the past several years, I think you should look at your conditioning. OU has talent most years. Most years they just over power most teams with talent but the teams who have equal or better talent, they drop games. It seems to me that OU has a history, the last few years with injuries to players and they seem to wear down late. I have no statistics to base this on. This is simply an observation by a person who watches a lot of OU football. I think that in this area, OU could really improve. JMO.

 

[CATCH17]

If you really want to look at why OU has struggled the past several years, I think you should look at your conditioning. OU has talent most years. Most years they just over power most teams with talent but the teams who have equal or better talent, they drop games. It seems to me that OU has a history, the last few years with injuries to players and they seem to wear down late. I have no statistics to base this on. This is simply an observation by a person who watches a lot of OU football. I think that in this area, OU could really improve. JMO.

I disagree.

I think their success has had a lot to do with playing in a conference that everyone is 5 steps behind them depth wise.

Outside of Oklahoma and Texas a lot of these teams never have enough talent to spread to the defensive side of the ball.

OU has just out athleted teams for a few years now. Their Offense is built to out athlete teams too.

Seriously their only running play is a stretch outside in hopes of out running teams.




They lost their Oline which hurt them more than anything this year. They have a terrible defensive coordinator and they are awful @ wideout except for Broyles.

Another reason they are struggling this year is because the big 12 FINALLY decided to crack down on holding penalties.


Stoops has missed on some recruits lately and it is showing that if you have = talent than you can out coach his team.

Mike Leach is winning that game Saturday regardless of which sideline he is coaching on.

And if you bring Stoops to the big dance against = or better talent he is guaranteed to get outcoached because the Sooners have a system that they refuse to adjust in.

This is why I was so furious they were given a chance to play Florida last year. I hope people have finally caught on to all this because there is all the evidence in the world out there but they will probably just ignore it and get their panties in a wad the next time OU hangs 50 on some big 12 team that cant play Defense.

/rant

 

[NickZepp]

Broyles isn't OU's best WR it's Dejuan Miller and it's not even close.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

I think OU's players rolled over and gave up after Bradford went down, and for whatever reason, their coaches' let them or couldn't stop them. That's inexcusable to me.

Don't look now Sooner fans, but your team has the same record as SMU, and is in prime position to finish the season with a .500 record.

Welcome to the Independence Bowl Sooners.

 

[NickZepp]

5 loss teams shouldn't go to bowl games.

 

[Chinfu]

Broyles isn't OU's best WR it's Dejuan Miller and it's not even close.

As a sooner who hasn't missed a snap all season I'm curious to hear why you think that. I like Miller but better than Broyles and his 13 TD's?

 

[Chinfu]

The problem with OU is a terrible oline and a freshman QB. I don't know who is to blame for this problem but Stoops gets paid to prevent it. Injuries have been ridiculous but it's only an excuse, lesser teams have overcome more. I think Stoops' staff has stagnated also.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

The problem with OU is a terrible oline and a freshman QB. I don't know who is to blame for this problem but Stoops gets paid to prevent it. Injuries have been ridiculous but it's only an excuse, lesser teams have overcome more. I think Stoops' staff has stagnated also.

I'd lay more blame on the QB, if it weren't for the fact he knew he'd be the #1 from possession two of the home opener. Not like it was 3 games in or anything.

The failure to "coach him up" by that position's staff, coupled with Texas' easy dispatching of Bradford coming off an injury obviously prematurely, leads me to believe OU is lacking at leadership.

 

[CATCH17]

As a sooner who hasn't missed a snap all season I'm curious to hear why you think that. I like Miller but better than Broyles and his 13 TD's?

I can see a little talent with Miller.

He looks and runs like Peterson in that uniform.

But he has really stiff hips and hasn't been that productive on the field.

I do see some talent there though. Not gonna lie.

 

[CATCH17]

I'd lay more blame on the QB, if it weren't for the fact he knew he'd be the #1 from possession two of the home opener. Not like it was 3 games in or anything.

The failure to "coach him up" by that position's staff, coupled with Texas' easy dispatching of Bradford coming off an injury obviously prematurely, leads me to believe OU is lacking at leadership.

If you've heard any of Stoops recent pressers he has all but said its the players fault.. Not mine.

He is putting it all on them in a round about way.

Im actually not against saying what you feel as a coach so if thats he feels than cool but the old school guy will gripe about him showing no accountability.

 

[NickZepp]

As a sooner who hasn't missed a snap all season I'm curious to hear why you think that. I like Miller but better than Broyles and his 13 TD's?

Because one has been here for 3 years and played a lot and Miller hasn't. I bet you Miller has more catches and TDs next year and he will be a guy taken in the first round when he's done. Broyles will never be near as high a draft pick as Miller. There are not a lot of 6-5 220 lb guys with speed like Miller has.

If you've heard any of Stoops recent pressers he has all but said its the players fault.. Not mine.

He is putting it all on them in a round about way.

Im actually not against saying what you feel as a coach so if thats he feels than cool but the old school guy will gripe about him showing no accountability.

He's basically turned from "No excuses" to "Complete excuses"

As long as Stoops is at OU they will be about the same as they are this year.

 

[CATCH17]

He's basically turned from "No excuses" to "Complete excuses"

As long as Stoops is at OU they will be about the same as they are this year.

This isn't a shot @ you Zepp because you seem like a really cool fan of your team.

But to me OU fans make more excuses than any other fan base i've ever seen. Its like OU is excuse university and I think the coach knows that and can use it as a cop out.

I mean there has been so many failures over the recent years for their to be this many excuses and no actual problem...

 

[MC KAos]

Because one has been here for 3 years and played a lot and Miller hasn't. I bet you Miller has more catches and TDs next year and he will be a guy taken in the first round when he's done. Broyles will never be near as high a draft pick as Miller. There are not a lot of 6-5 220 lb guys with speed like Miller has.



He's basically turned from "No excuses" to "Complete excuses"

As long as Stoops is at OU they will be about the same as they are this year.

i think it would be in the best interest of both OU and Stoops for him to leave this year, he just needs a fresh start i think, maybe even take a couple of years off and come back to OU ala snyder

 

[NickZepp]

This isn't a shot @ you Zepp because you seem like a really cool fan of your team.

But to me OU fans make more excuses than any other fan base i've ever seen. Its like OU is excuse university and I think the coach knows that and can use it as a cop out.

I mean there has been so many failures over the recent years for their to be this many excuses and no actual problem...

I've never made an excuse for OU and never will. I don't believe in them.

 

[NickZepp]

i think it would be in the best interest of both OU and Stoops for him to leave this year, he just needs a fresh start i think, maybe even take a couple of years off and come back to OU ala snyder

Stoops won't be forced to leave and there will not be any pressure on him at all to leave. He'll be here as long as he wants just because he took over a guy that was completely incompetent and never should have gotten the job. Now people here think that there's no way OU can get any better than Bob Stoops.

Especially after OU sends Brian Jackson, Chris Brown, Gerald McCoy, Kennan Clayton, Austin English, Matt Clapp, Trent Williams, and Brody Eldridge to the league I think at least 6 of these guys get drafted the 2 most questionable are Eldridge(finding a position for him) and Clapp(full backs don't always get drafted) that's not counting Sam Bradford and Gresham who are first round picks. There's going to be another 8-10 players for OU in the draft this year.

 

[CATCH17]

Stoops won't be forced to leave and there will not be any pressure on him at all to leave. He'll be here as long as he wants just because he took over a guy that was completely incompetent and never should have gotten the job. Now people here think that there's no way OU can get any better than Bob Stoops.

The one thing i've never questioned about Stoops, until this year, was his ability to lead.

But after hearing some of his quotes in some of his interviews its unbelievable how much adversity has got to him and how he has handled it.

Vinnables is terrible. As an OU hater I hope they never get rid of the guy.

And OU needs to become more flexible in their schemes and play to their talent.

I see a lot of good things from Kevin Wilson. I know he is public enemy #1 in Norman but I don't think he is nearly as bad as people suggest. He just has to have a good Oline to run his system and if he has it he can call a good Offense.

Nobody was complaining about the Sooner Offense last year but when Paul Thompson and Co were running things everyone was on him that year.

The one thing though that i've never understood is why on earth last year he had a absolutely Giant Offensive line and all he wanted to do was run a zone scheme.

Why would you try to run around people with that Oline? Run at them.

But like I said he is set in his scheme, doesn't adjust well, but his scheme can be effective when his oline plays at a high level.

 

[NickZepp]

OU will keep putting around 7-8 guys in the NFL every year and will be seen as one of the most talented programs in the country and they will keep not putting that type of talent on the field on saturdays because of ******* coaching mistakes and the inability to change. It was better for OU when they had no talent in the early 2000s they like they had things to prove and they had no excuses in the few games they lost.