TFY Draft Insider- Tyron Smith

[supercowboy8]

I'm completely confused when people try to compare him to Winston Justice. The only thing they have in common is USC. Beyond that there is ZIP, Ziltch, ZERO that is similar. The only thing I can think of is they are USC haters. (I'm okay with that too, I don't actually care much for USC either)

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/draft/story/14892965/draft-preview-best-of-offensive-line-prospects

 

[YosemiteSam]

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/draft/story/14892965/draft-preview-best-of-offensive-line-prospects

That link didn't work. It took me to a generic page. The best article I could find about ranking players using their search tool was this one.

If you read the first line of that article.

With one month of the 2010 season in the books, NFLDraftScout has updated its draft board to reflect the current draft value of the top senior prospects in the 2011 draft.

Tyron Smith wasn't a senior.

 

[supercowboy8]

That link didn't work. It took me to a generic page. The best article I could find about ranking players using their search tool was this one.

If you read the first line of that article.



Tyron Smith wasn't a senior.

Try this again and then go down to OTs

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/draft/story/14892965/draft-preview-best-of-offensive-line-prospects

Tyron Smith, USC, 6-5, 310, 1
Back in 2006, scouts were enamored with a workout warrior offensive tackle coming out of USC -- Winston Justice. That year, Justice was bigger and faster than his peers, and while short on bulk, he was long on potential with the athletic upside to be mentioned as a top-10 pick. He was Matt Leinart's blind-side protector at right tackle, and he fell in the draft mostly because of character issues to the 39th overall pick and became a starter for the Eagles. Smith is also the top athlete in his class. While he has no such character concerns, he isn't a sure thing. A top-shelf athlete, some have projected him as a top-10 pick based largely on that rare athletic potential, but Smith has never played left tackle. He played most of his college career at or just below 283 pounds, but has put on close to 30 pounds

 

[YosemiteSam]

Try this again and then go down to OTs

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/draft/story/14892965/draft-preview-best-of-offensive-line-prospects

Tyron Smith, USC, 6-5, 310, 1
Back in 2006, scouts were enamored with a workout warrior offensive tackle coming out of USC -- Winston Justice. That year, Justice was bigger and faster than his peers, and while short on bulk, he was long on potential with the athletic upside to be mentioned as a top-10 pick. He was Matt Leinart's blind-side protector at right tackle, and he fell in the draft mostly because of character issues to the 39th overall pick and became a starter for the Eagles. Smith is also the top athlete in his class. While he has no such character concerns, he isn't a sure thing. A top-shelf athlete, some have projected him as a top-10 pick based largely on that rare athletic potential, but Smith has never played left tackle. He played most of his college career at or just below 283 pounds, but has put on close to 30 pounds

Again, we are going back to character issues. Winston was no workout warrior either. They are saying Smith isn't a sure thing because his playing weight was 280lbs. The guy just had his pro day and was flying around for a guy who was 310lbs.

Watch his Pro day video. Look at him move at 310lbs. That guy can move and is solid muscle. No character concerns and known as a hard working guy.

USC Pro Day Video

Now, Bucky needs to shut up about him being a natural right tackle. You can clearly see in the video that he shows, the man has the foot work and the agility to slide.

Everyone said he blew away the pro day and easily can play the left side. (except Bucky )

 

[supercowboy8]

Again, we are going back to character issues. Winston was no workout warrior either. They are saying Smith isn't a sure thing because his playing weight was 280lbs. The guy just had his pro day and was flying around for a guy who was 310lbs.

Watch his Pro day video. Look at him move at 310lbs. That guy can move and is solid muscle. No character concerns and known as a hard working guy.

USC Pro Day Video

Now, Bucky needs to shut up about him being a natural right tackle. You can clearly see in the video that he shows, the man has the foot work and the agility to slide.

Everyone said he blew away the pro day and easily can play the left side. (except Bucky )

I don;t care about his pro day, his combine, what he looks like in shorts. I care about how he plays in the game. I don't care about measurements. He doesn't amaze me with his film the way he amaze you with his shirt off.

Idon't see a great HOF LT.

My first option is at 9 trade back. If I can't trade back then take BPA on the board and if that is Smith then fine I can live with that but I would atleast first try to trade back.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I don;t care about his pro day, his combine, what he looks like in shorts. I care about how he plays in the game. I don't care about measurements. He doesn't amaze me with his film the way he amaze you with his shirt off.

Idon't see a great HOF LT.

My first option is at 9 trade back. If I can't trade back then take BPA on the board and if that is Smith then fine I can live with that but I would atleast first try to trade back.

Well, then lets drop the argument. I like everything I see about Smith. Carimi will be a decent to good player in the league and I think Smith is going to be a perennial pro bowl LT. I have very little doubt that he will be a better LT than Free in the next two years.

 

[TheFinisher]

The thing with Smith is that he's not a finished product. There are going to be a lot of bad days early on and most will question if we made the right pick. You don't draft a player like Tyron Smith for the present, you draft him for what you think he can become 3-4 years down the line.

Would I hate the pick if we took him at 9? No, but I'm going to buckle my seatbelt because it will be a long bumpy road before we see a return on the investment.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The thing with Smith is that he's not a finished product. There are going to be a lot of bad days early on and most will question if we made the right pick. You don't draft a player like Tyron Smith for the present, you draft him for what you think he can become 3-4 years down the line.

Would I hate the pick if we took him at 9? No, but I'm going to buckle my seatbelt because it will be a long bumpy road before we see a return on the investment.

He will at the absolute minimum play RT *THIS* year. He will without question be an upgrade over Colombo.

Will he make mistakes? Sure, but he will play better than Colombo did last year.

 

[TheFinisher]

He will at the absolute minimum play RT *THIS* year. He will without question be an upgrade over Colombo.

Will he make mistakes? Sure, but he will play better than Colombo did last year.

I mean Colombo was flat out terrible this year, there are probably 7 or 8 Tackles in the draft that would be an upgrade so that's a moot point to me.

What I meant in my above post was that in his first year or two he'll probably perform the worst out of the top tier Tackles, but down the road as he continues to develop he will probably be the best of the bunch.

He's coming in very raw and will be a greater liability than your usual first round rookie Tackle.

 

[slick325]

Trade up, not down. Quality over quantity worked in 2010. Quantity over quality failed miserably in 2009.

If not Peterson, Smith.

Agree 100% Hos. If Peterson is there at 5 or 6 go get him. If not, take Smith at 9 and don't look back. Quality over quantity should be the Zone's draft mantra.

 

[supercowboy8]

He will at the absolute minimum play RT *THIS* year. He will without question be an upgrade over Colombo.

Will he make mistakes? Sure, but he will play better than Colombo did last year.

Here is my question about drafting a RT or a OT in the top 10. Free is a free agent and we still have to resign him. How are we going to resign Free who deserves and pretty good pay day and then give #9 money to another OT. Free is going to want more than Smith smith is going to want #9 money. Thats a lot of money to two OTs when we don't have much left under the projected new salary cap.

Smith will get more than what Anthony Davis the 11th pick in 2010 got which was 5 year 27 million. Smith will warrent 5year 30 million most likely.

Then Free will want more than that. He will probably want 5 year 35- 6 year 42 million.

 

[dbair1967]

Well Barron like Smith came into the draft as the OT with the most potential and great athletic freak. Barron was talked about his great upside with his athletic ability and strnegth.

Winston Justice protected Matt Lienhart blind side. Played RT at USC.
Back in 2006, scouts were enamored with a workout warrior offensive tackle coming out of USC -- Winston Justice. That year, Justice was bigger and faster than his peers, and while short on bulk, he was long on potential with the athletic upside to be mentioned as a top-10 pick. He was Matt Leinart's blind-side protector at right tackle, and he fell in the draft mostly because of character issues to the 39th overall pick and became a starter for the Eagles. Smith is also the top athlete in his class. While he has no such character concerns, he isn't a sure thing. A top-shelf athlete, some have projected him as a top-10 pick based largely on that rare athletic potential, but Smith has never played left tackle. He played most of his college career at or just below 283 pounds, but has put on close to 30 pounds.

He aslo compares to Bruce Campbell, a freak athletic but just isn't a football player.
USC OTs just aren't ever great in the NFL in the past 10 years.

Dude, you either have never seen him play or are totally ignoring what some are scouting on him then, because he is nothing like Barron or Bruce Campbell, guys who were athletically gifted but never that good on the field. Smith is athletically gifted but was very good on the field.

 

[Primetime42]

I mean Colombo was flat out terrible this year, there are probably 7 or 8 Tackles in the draft that would be an upgrade so that's a moot point to me.

What I meant in my above post was that in his first year or two he'll probably perform the worst out of the top tier Tackles, but down the road as he continues to develop he will probably be the best of the bunch.

He's coming in very raw and will be a greater liability than your usual first round rookie Tackle.

Really? What makes you say that? It's not like this guy was getting abused or doesn't have stuff on tape of what he's capable of. He's unfinished, but he's certainly not a bare bones starter kit.

 

[Primetime42]

Here is my question about drafting a RT or a OT in the top 10. Free is a free agent and we still have to resign him. How are we going to resign Free who deserves and pretty good pay day and then give #9 money to another OT. Free is going to want more than Smith smith is going to want #9 money. Thats a lot of money to two OTs when we don't have much left under the projected new salary cap.

Smith will get more than what Anthony Davis the 11th pick in 2010 got which was 5 year 27 million. Smith will warrent 5year 30 million most likely.

Then Free will want more than that. He will probably want 5 year 35- 6 year 42 million.

No he won't.

Rookie salary scale will be changed by the time we're able to sign him. He starts off at RT.

When Free's new contract is nearing it's end the coaching staff will have more than enough info to determine whether Free stays on the left side, switches with Smith, or simply moves on to a new team while we draft another tackle.

Win-freakin'-win, baby!

 

[TheFinisher]

Really? What makes you say that? It's not like this guy was getting abused or doesn't have stuff on tape of what he's capable of. He's unfinished, but he's certainly not a bare bones starter kit.

I'm not saying he's a bare bones starter kit but he's not as ready to step in Day 1 and play as most first round Tackles. I think it will be similar to the D'Brickashaw Ferguson situation where it takes a few years in an NFL strength program before he's anything more than a liability in the run game. There will be struggles with maintaining his weight in the first couple of years. Additionally, he's not as polished nor experienced as someone like Carimi or Sherrod, so you have to expect more growing pains.

Like I said, you don't draft someone like Smith for an immediate return, you draft him for where you think he'll be 3-4 years down the line.

 

[supercowboy8]

No he won't.

Rookie salary scale will be changed by the time we're able to sign him. He starts off at RT.

When Free's new contract is nearing it's end the coaching staff will have more than enough info to determine whether Free stays on the left side, switches with Smith, or simply moves on to a new team while we draft another tackle.

Win-freakin'-win, baby!

what? Free is a free agent right now. If Dallas isn't going to give him big money, which is LT money he will walk. He is a proven LT.

Also right now there isn't a rookie salary scale and if these players are drafted before there is one there is no way the players union will allow for the rookie pay scale to be put in place this year. They will make that next year.

 

[28 Joker]

Tyron Smith may be 20 years old, but he's a plug and play starter. Smith is the best offensive tackle in this class, and it isn't even close. The NFL knows about his play at USC and his huge upside. Smith is a blue chip player and an excellent value at 9, and he would be the cornerstone of Dallas' offensive line for at least 12 years. He will not get past Dallas, Washington, Minnesota, and Detroit. Cleveland (at number 6) likes him, or they wouldn't be looking him over so close. That should tell you something about Smith, because they already have Joe Thomas.

NFL teams view Smith's future on the left side for a reason, and if the Cowboys are fortunate enough to get their hands on him, it's possible that they could play him at LT right off the bat. Although, Free gives them flexibility to start him out on the right side. Smith has all the tools to be an elite NFL OT (LT or RT), and Doug Free is a serviceable LT and will most likely never be an elite LT.

Charlie Casserly has stated that he thinks Smith can play LT and compared him to D'Brickashaw Ferguson (who played in the 285 range at Virginia). Casserly stated that Smith passed his LT footwork and the push/pull strength drill with "flying colors". On that same segment (Path to the Draft), Brooks back pedals from his "RT" stance and aligns his opinion with the vast majority opinion about Smith's LT ability.

At 285, Smith's length, balance (ability to bend and play with a wide base or sink), and agility enabled him to display more power than Solder or Castonzo or Sherrod. Add this to the fact that (again) Carimi's weight at Wisconsin was listed at 327, and his weight at the combine was 314. Is Carimi going to gain more athletic ability to play LT in the NFL? His future highly most likely is going to be on the right side in the NFL. That is where he is being projected. Carimi's calling card isn't athleticism to start with. It's power, and if he loses some pop, he could get bull rushed and pushed around in the NFL, due to his vulnerability against NFL speed on the edge.

The Cowboys have won 1 playoff game since 1996, missed the playoffs twice in the last 2 years (Romo hurt both missed years due to leaky pass protection), are drafting in the top 10, they have a serviceable Doug Free (4th round pick) at LT, the worst RT (Colombo) in the NFL who already makes significant money, and an old, deteriorated interior of the offensive line. There really is no excuse for not wanting to take a blue chip, cornerstone offensive linemen like Tyron Smith, especially when he's staring you in the face at number 9.

I think that Tyron Smith is Jason Garrett's number 1 prize for a couple of reasons. First, he has to know that the offensive line is literally going to completely collapse like a house of cards next year, if something drastic isn't done. Second, Smith is exactly the type of player that Garrett covets, not only for his offensive line but for his football team. Jason Garrett knows that winning starts up front, and he has to be very concerned (especially after 2010) about his great skill players on offense, not being put in the best positions possible to succeed, due to very poor offensive line play. If Peterson goes off the board, and Garrett is able to nab Smith at 9, I don't think Garrett is going to shed one tear.

 

[supercowboy8]

Dude, you either have never seen him play or are totally ignoring what some are scouting on him then, because he is nothing like Barron or Bruce Campbell, guys who were athletically gifted but never that good on the field. Smith is athletically gifted but was very good on the field.

No dude, no one has ever said anything about the way he played on the field.
I have seen him played, have you? Forget Campbell since he wasn't even drafted in the 1st but Barron, Justice, and Jason Smith came into the draft with all the same things being said about them the same things are being said about Smith. Go back and read what these so called draft experts said about Jason Smith, Justice, and Barron and you see alot of similarities of what they are saying about Tyron Smith.

We need a plug and play RT. Doug Free is a free agent and will want big pay day after having a great year playing LT. look at how much Anthony Davis got paid last year at pick 11. Smith will want more than him. Also there is no rookie cap and most likely wont be for this draft class now.

If you draft Smith at 9 you will be paying your rookie RT 5 year 30 million. Now you will have to resign Free who will want more. Free will get 5 year 35 million. Now that just ate up a big chunk of our salary cap. This is another reason why I want to trade back and extra picks and still get a starting RT who will also be much much cheaper.

 

[Primetime42]

what? Free is a free agent right now. If Dallas isn't going to give him big money, which is LT money he will walk. He is a proven LT.

Also right now there isn't a rookie salary scale and if these players are drafted before there is one there is no way the players union will allow for the rookie pay scale to be put in place this year. They will make that next year.

First, I'll make a bet with you right this second that not only does Dallas re-sign Doug Free, but that he comes on the cheap compared to the "top-dollar" other LT's make.

I'll do that right now. Name it.

Second, rookies can't be signed to any deals until the lockout ends and the players and owners are both in agreement that there needs to be a rookie pay scale.

That's far down the list of concerns for either side at this point.

 

[Primetime42]

I'm not saying he's a bare bones starter kit but he's not as ready to step in Day 1 and play as most first round Tackles. I think it will be similar to the D'Brickashaw Ferguson situation where it takes a few years in an NFL strength program before he's anything more than a liability in the run game. There will be struggles with maintaining his weight in the first couple of years. Additionally, he's not as polished nor experienced as someone like Carimi or Sherrod, so you have to expect more growing pains.

Like I said, you don't draft someone like Smith for an immediate return, you draft him for where you think he'll be 3-4 years down the line.

Ferguson was drafted #4 overall.

And Smith is already bigger now than Ferguson is currently, nevermind when he was a rookie. If Jason Garrett thinks he can start immediately, then guess what? He's going to start immediately.

That being said, I still am a big fan of Carimi if the trade-down scenario occurs.

But I think Tyron is at the very least comparable to Carimi at this juncture and while it's pretty much acknowledged Carimi has hit his ceiling, Smith has room to grow.