TFY Draft Insider- Tyron Smith

[TheCount]

Ferguson was drafted #4 overall.

And Smith is already bigger now than Ferguson is currently, nevermind when he was a rookie. If Jason Garrett thinks he can start immediately, then guess what? He's going to start immediately.

That being said, I still am a big fan of Carimi if the trade-down scenario occurs.

But I think Tyron is at the very least comparable to Carimi at this juncture and while it's pretty much acknowledged Carimi has hit his ceiling, Smith has room to grow.

Carimi has hit his ceiling? Can we let these guys get into the NFL before we start letting them know they are as good as they are ever going to be? This is madness!

 

[Primetime42]

Carimi has hit his ceiling? Can we let these guys get into the NFL before we start letting them know they are as good as they are ever going to be? This is madness!

Poor choice of words on my part. I think Carimi is very, very good. Have for a while.

I just feel like he hasn't got much more room to grow at this point.

 

[jobberone]

Would I like to have the next Eric Williams at RT. Sure if I didn't consider anything else but wow look at the pretty toy I want it.

We need a servicable RT this year. Colombo if healthy may be it. I wouldn't be counting on him to be able to do that although I would tell him go compete and if you're the best guy I'll play you. He does have experience going for him. And if healthy has proven he can play. He was hurt last year and Barron was worse healthy than Colombo hurt. Another point for having a real swing tackle on the team. And I would admit that Smith makes a better backup swing tackle than the other RTs in the draft.

Back to the point of having a servicable RT. He doesn't have to be an All Pro or Pro Bowl player. He just needs to be servicable. I'm sure Garrett would prefer a more mobile player and a young tackle especially an athletic one with some speed fills that bill better than Colombo.

Taking a RT at number nine is not the wisest thing to do. I'm confident that Garrett et al will keep that in mind. But you cannot always trade down. If you can't get PP then you probably are looking to draft an OT in the first. There are two ways to do that without drafting one in the top ten. You can trade down from nine and draft one. Or you can trade up from the second and draft one. One of the OTs will be available in the bottom of the first.

I'd prefer to trade up for PP, move Newman to FS then trade up again into the first and grab one of the remaining OTs. If there is a run on OTs and you can't trade up then there will be the BPA at the top of the second. Someone always falls into that area of the draft. That might even be an interior OL.

Trading up fixes the OL, CB and FS position on the team, gives us needed depth at CB as Newman can always fill in at CB if needed, puts a playmaker at FS and another at RCB, and give the OL an infusion of mobility as well as competition at RT at the least and possibly RG.

 

[28 Joker]

About the only thing some of the people who don't want to draft Tyron Smith have going for them is the fact that he played on a stacked depth chart at USC (and not at Colorado, Mississippi State, Boston College, or Wisconsin) and the fact that some people way over rate Doug Free as an NFL LT and undervalue getting the best player possible at RT. Plus, some way under rate or don't under stand Smith's value and performance in USC's zone blocking running game.

The NFL has been evolving, and teams have no problems putting their best pass rusher on your RT until you can prove that you can stop them. Smith has the tools to be a dominant player on either side, right or left. Smith was the best offensive linemen in the Pac Ten, so he's doing something right. Again, Smith is plug and play player with a big time ceiling, and he's hardly the "project' some people like to try to make him out to be.

Tyron Smith has way more strength than some think, and athletically, it's not even close between Smith and the other OTs in this class. Smith's ability to sink and use his freakish length and superior agility and great feet in order to mirror pass rushers is outstanding. Smith is an exceptional run blocker on the second level, and that fits exactly what Dallas needs for Felix Jones. Smith's overall run blocking is exceptional, and he's a whole lot better inline than some portray.

Smith's film at 19 and playing at 285 is better than every tackle in this draft. According to Broaddus, Smith took care of Cameron Jordan, probably top 15 pick.

The "money" argument against drafting Smith at 9 is hollow and easilty dismantled. Mark Colombo averages around $ 5 million a year at RT, and who says that the Cowboys think Doug Free is worth franchise LT money to begin with? Who says that Dallas wouldn't plug Smith in right off the bat at LT? That can't be completely ruled out. It's documented that the NFL sees Smith's future at LT.

If Tyron Smith was 315 and coming out as a senior, he would be a top 3 pick. Charlie Casserly stated that Smith is better than Trent Williams who went fourth last year and Jason Smith who went number 2 (Rams). Also Casserly stated that Bulaga was better than Carimi. Bunting rated Tyron Smith only behind Okung last year; furthermore, he cited the experience factor in regards to Smith. At 19. Bunting rated him over a guy who was worth a top 5 pick to Washington.

Smith may still be a developing player, but his arrow is pointing way up, His technique got better and better with each passing game last year, proving he takes to coaching. Smith played at 19 last year, and he's still growing into his frame. He's unfinished for sure, but his very high ceiling and proven game tape makes him worth the ninth pick.

Smith has pure value at 9 for the Cowboys, because Cleveland, Washington, Minnesota, and Detroit are all scoping him out and would jump all over him if given an opportunity.

Besides, Smith's matchup is with the worst RT in the NFL and an serviceable LT in Doug Free, not with Jake Long, D"Brickashaw Ferguson, or Joe Thomas. Smith has been compared to Ferguson by many experts.

Castanzo and Solder would have major issues at RT in the NFL next year, because they are not strong enough to anchor against the NFL bull rush right now.

Tyron Smith has plenty strong enough anchor right now and will only get better and stronger. Smith's ability to sink and play with a wide base allows him to play with great leverage and unleash those freakishly long arms that he has. Plus, Smith has the height advantage on Castonzo, Solder, and Carimi. NFL speed rushers are going to give Carimi big trouble off the right edge, never mind the left edge. Good luck to Carimi playing at 314 in the NFL.

Anthony Spencer VS Gabe Carimi

That will get ugly. I hope the Eagles draft him.

Mudd is the Eagles new offensive line coach, and I can almost guarnatee you that Smith is the top player that the Eagles covet in this draft.

I'll take my chances with Tyron Smith playing OT for the Cowboys and blocking the DEs/OLBs in the NFC for at least the next 12 years, because he is a vastly superior player to either tackle that they have on the team right now, and he is a vaslty superior player to any offensive linemen in this draft.

 

[28 Joker]

This isn't me talking about Castonzo and Sodler not being strong enough to anchor against an NFL bull rush. It's Charlie Casserly and other experts on NFL Path to the Draft.

Again, Gabe Carimi listed at 327 at Wisconsin, a team that ran the football on just about every play it seemed. Now, Carimi is listed at 314. You can't add athleticism, but you can add strength. Will Gabe Carimi's lack of foot speed against NFL speed make him vulnerable to counter bull rushes?

No one has answered this question, but it is a legit concern about Carimi, a power player with zero upside.

Derrek Sherrod didn't show the physicality or the attitute that Tryon Smith displayed at USC, while playing at 285. The fact that Sherrod is rated behind Carimi (a projected RT) should at least give some second thought about settling for him, imo.

Again, Tyron Smith is the superior pass blocker in this draft, and he is an exceptional run blocker, too. Smith's combination of ideal height and his abilty to sink his hips and play with a wide base, allows him to play with superior leverage. Then, he unleashes his freakish length and exceptional agility and great feet to mirror pass rushers.

Are some of you really sure that you want Gabe Carimi dropping back in pass protection 30-40 times in a given game. Romo's attempts per game should average no more than 34 (IMO), but that is still a significant amout of passes. How about 50? Leonard Davis would be right beside him.

 

[rash]

Quantity will work if you select the right guys.

If you trade back and get Carimi you just made a good pick and you're getting more picks.

.....+1

 

[28 Joker]

This isn't me talking about Castonzo and Sodler not being strong enough to anchor against an NFL bull rush. It's Charlie Casserly and other experts on NFL Path to the Draft.

Again, Gabe Carimi listed at 327 at Wisconsin, a team that ran the football on just about every play it seemed. Now, Carimi is listed at 314. You can't add athleticism, but you can add strength. Will Gabe Carimi's lack of foot speed against NFL speed make him vulnerable to counter bull rushes?

No one has answered this question, but it is a legit concern about Carimi, a power player with zero upside.

Derrek Sherrod didn't show the physicality or the attitute that Tryon Smith displayed at USC, while playing at 285. The fact that Sherrod is rated behind Carimi (a projected RT) should at least give some second thought about settling for him, imo.

Again, Tyron Smith is the superior pass blocker in this draft, and he is an exceptional run blocker, too. Smith's combination of ideal height and his abilty to sink his hips and play with a wide base, allows him to play with superior leverage. Then, he unleashes his freakish length and exceptional agility and great feet to mirror pass rushers.

Are some of you really sure that you want Gabe Carimi dropping back in pass protection 30-40 times in a given game. Romo's attempts per game should average no more than 34 (IMO), but that is still a significant amout of passes. How about 50? Leonard Davis would be right beside him.

I'm glad some of you guys are not running the Cowboys, because you don't give up a blue chip, cornerstone offensive tackle (at 9) for an inferior player lke Solder, Castonzo, Sherrod, or Carimi, just so you can get an extra pick and take the next Robert "Buster", or so you can go draft another TE in round 2.

I bet the Cowboys will not do that if they go OT in round 1. Why? First, they have a serviceable LT (over rated by some) who will never dominate his position and isn't worth franchise LT money. Second, they have an old, significantly deteriorated interior, and adding Gabe Carimi isn't going to even get close to putting the much needed stud (who the team desperately needs) on their offensive line. Third, Carimi sure isn't going to make Leonard Davis feel any safer in space. Fourth, Carimi projects to being a RT only, and if he isn't good there, where is he going?

Carimi highly most lkely will not be able to replace the Cowboys' serviceable LT, who graded out as a barely average pass blocker last season, according to PPF. Free isn't nearly the player that Flozell Adams was in Dallas to begin with. Free graded out much better as a run blocker, but according to Football Outsiders, Free wasn't close to being the run blocker that Adams was in 2009.

If you are lucky, if you are lucky, you may get 4 or 5 serviceable years at LT from Doug Free. In exchange, you are giving up an at least 12 year cornerstone, blue chip offensive tackle (Tyron Smith), the best offensive linemen in the entire draft. Why?

So you can...

draft Gabe Carimi, a vastly inferior player to Smith, and get an extra pick to go hunt for the next Robert "Buster" or draft the next TE in late round 2.

I just don't get it, but in reality, the Cowboys are most likely hoping that Smith doesn't rise too far or that they don't get jumped.

Here is a snip-it from Wes Bunting (on the over rated Gabe Carimi):

"However, isn't the most flexible of linemen when asked to sit into his stance. Struggles to consistently keep his base down and footwork compact on his kick-slide and can be bullied at the point at times because of his overextended footwork. Now, is a very patient puncher and does a nice job delivering a compact, strong jolt into contact. But too often explosive defensive ends are able to reach the corner on his kick-slide, forcing him to quickly open up his hips and lunge into his target in an effort to push them past the play".

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html


The NFL sure isn't the Big Ten in terms of explosive speed.

This is a player who played on a running team and who excelled in power run blocking.

Dallas has to get the football to Miles Austin, Dez Bryant, Jason Witten, and Felix Jones in the passing game. Jones needs an athletic OT (who excells in space) who can get him in space and to the edge and to the second level. That player is Tyron Smith, not Gabe Carimi.

 

[jobberone]

And some people are so fascinated by Smith they forget that players in the first round don't always work out.

There are some can't miss players in this draft. Smith isn't one of them.

 

[YosemiteSam]

And some people are so fascinated by Smith they forget that players in the first round don't always work out.

There are some can't miss players in this draft. Smith isn't one of them.

Of all the top players, I think Tyron Smith and Marcell Dareus are probably the closest to being a sure thing than any of the others. After him, I would probably say Julio Jones. I think the fact that I say a WR factor speaks volumes about the current draft class. WRs and QBs are kings of bust yet I think Julio Jones bust factor is quite small.

 

[TheCount]

And some people are so fascinated by Smith they forget that players in the first round don't always work out.

There are some can't miss players in this draft. Smith isn't one of them.

Yup.

Once the hysteria hits, people forget pros and cons and the reality of the draft.

The people that are in love with Smith don't see any weaknesses in his game whatsoever.

I can't even think of one player in this draft that I'd feel comfortable calling a "Can't Miss" prospect, if there were, everyone would know who Carolina is taking at #1.

 

[ms9221]

Have I told you about this guy I just heard about, Kenrick Ellis?

He is in Dallas and Loving the visit he I are friends he is a great guy. Also he will be there today to.

 

[jobberone]

Peterson, Miller, Green and maybe Jones are as close to can't miss as can be that are in the top ten (or close enough to it). Dareus is in there.

I do think Smith is close but he needs work and a fair amount of it. His technique and habits will require some time to work out. He has the physical tools to be a pretty good RT. I'm not sure about LT.

I won't be terribly upset about drafting Smith at number nine. And I realize I might be wrong about the man. He has at least a 50-50 shot at being a solid pro.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Peterson, Miller, Green and maybe Jones are as close to can't miss as can be that are in the top ten (or close enough to it). Dareus is in there.

I do think Smith is close but he needs work and a fair amount of it. His technique and habits will require some time to work out. He has the physical tools to be a pretty good RT. I'm not sure about LT.

I won't be terribly upset about drafting Smith at number nine. And I realize I might be wrong about the man. He has at least a 50-50 shot at being a solid pro.

The fact that Peterson scored a 9 (which is considered illiterate) on the wonderlic screams bust factor to me. Doesn't matter how athletic you are.

That doesn't mean he will be a bust, but it definitely raises the odds of him being one.

 

[TheCount]

He is in Dallas and Loving the visit he I are friends he is a great guy. Also he will be there today to.

Can you do me a favor and tell him to let all the other teams in the league know he refuses to play for them and insits on waiting for Dallas to draft him?

Thanks.

 

[supercowboy8]

The fact that Peterson scored a 9 (which is considered illiterate) on the wonderlic screams bust factor to me. Doesn't matter how athletic you are.

That doesn't mean he will be a bust, but it definitely raises the odds of him being one.

What did Tyron Smith get on the wonderlic. AJ Green got a 10.

 

[ms9221]

Can you do me a favor and tell him to let all the other teams in the league know he refuses to play for them and insits on waiting for Dallas to draft him?

Thanks.

I will try I also triing to be NFL scout some day to. and we both have are goals. Me to be NFL Scout For the Cowboys or another team so I can back Florida. Kenrick Ellis wants to be the best NT on and off the Field.

 

[YosemiteSam]

What did Tyron Smith get on the wonderlic. AJ Green got a 10.

Can't find it anything on Tyron Smith's wonderlic score. He seems intelligent and if it was really bad, I'm sure someone would have leaked it to the press.

I heard Danny Watkins scored a 40. The problem I have with that is they say the first time he took it a couple of years ago he scored a 15. They think he was heavily coached on it. ...but, I guess as long as he didn't see the test first, he still had to answer the questions.

I'm okay with a guy working his butt off to score better. Shows diligence. I will take that in a football player.

The fact that AJ got a 10 just hammers home the fact that Julio Jones is the way to go if you are drafting a WR early. A 10 screams stay away!

 

[supercowboy8]

Can't find it anything on Tyron Smith's wonderlic score. He seems intelligent and if it was really bad, I'm sure someone would have leaked it to the press.

I heard Danny Watkins scored a 40. The problem I have with that is they say the first time he took it a couple of years ago he scored a 15. They think he was heavily coached on it. ...but, I guess as long as he didn't see the test first, he still had to answer the questions.

I'm okay with a guy working his butt off to score better. Shows diligence. I will take that in a football player.

I think it just proves the wonderlic is a bunch of BS. IF Watkins can take it a few years ago and then get coached up as if there is a wonderlic for dummies book, makes the test un reliable. I'm sure if Smith made a 13 it would be in the news but waht if he made a 19, then it wouldn't be.

I don't see how you think he seems intelligent. Have you spoken with him. Wasn't he suspended last year due to grades?

Aslo you say that about Green but what did Dez get on the test last year? I think it was a 16 last year. Thats not great.

 

[YosemiteSam]

I think it just proves the wonderlic is a bunch of BS. IF Watkins can take it a few years ago and then get coached up as if there is a wonderlic for dummies book, makes the test un reliable. I'm sure if Smith made a 13 it would be in the news but waht if he made a 19, then it wouldn't be.

I don't see how you think he seems intelligent. Have you spoken with him. Wasn't he suspended last year due to grades?

We are best friends. :laugh2:

 

[supercowboy8]

We are best friends. :laugh2:

well how much you like him I thought it was more than that.

Also Julio Jones got a 15 on the test.