The 2023 draft is killing this organization

[Bobhaze]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There are some 2023 UFAs who have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

 

[rambo2]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There UFAs have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

Brooks has been decent as a late round pick.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Don't forget Deuce!

You must have overlooked him.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Even when not in on the tackle....overshown is often in the vicinity making an impact. Either sealing off an escape route or ensuring the tackle. Wonderful.

 

[Bobhaze]

Don't forget Deuce!

You must have overlooked him.

Ooops. Thank you. I will edit that back in.

 

[Aven8]

Going forward it should be Deuce and Dowdle show. No point in seeing Cook or Zeke anymore. Let’s just see

 

[HungryLion]

The rot goes further than that Bob. The cowboys drafting has been average for several years now.

Which, would be fine if the FO literally did anything else.

But when they rely solely on the draft, every single draft has to be an A draft for the team to be competitive.

It’s asking way way way too much of the scouts to nail every pick. It’s just not realistic. Which makes it a crap strategy.

 

[Bobhaze]

Going forward it should be Deuce and Dowdle show. No point in seeing Cook or Zeke anymore. Let’s just see

If you heard JJs post game non-sense presser yesterday, he still loves Zeke, Just went out of his way to say Zeke is “an exemplary teammate”. I’m starting to wonder if Zeke has photos, lol.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The crazy thing about Mazi is we waited over 25 years to use a 1st round pick on a DT.........so far we got wrong.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There UFAs have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

I’d say you are fine with Bass, Overshown, Brooks and Richards.

You completely killed your draft with those first two picks. Mazi…maybe they just whiffed there. The Schoon pick just doesn’t make sense. Never will. Those first two picks needed to be day one starters and contributors since you don’t spend money in free agency and one guy is a project and the other will never get on the field barring injury. Pure stupidity.

 

[john van brocklin]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There UFAs have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

The great drafts have kept this team relevant, and hidden our lack of free agency acquisitions.
Now the wheels are falling off.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Having the first two picks be total swings and misses really stings. I don't think we even got 7th round value from either. Mazi would be cut by now if he was a Day 3 pick, and Schoon might be too.

In effect, our earliest pick was a 3rd rounder. Overshown is a hit, but everyone after him is a miss already.

Just a really rough effort.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There UFAs have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

2023 and 2024..

Guyton? he is one of the worst LT or tackles in NFL.....yeah rookie. I get it, but being the worst!!! not acceptable
Kneeland is another Lawrence. run stopper, not a true pass rusher and now injured

Who else is really contributing this year?

our #3, #4 WRs are UDFA or 7th round picks (might as well been UDFA)...either we are really really good at finding hidden gems or diamonds in the rough or we suck at drafting. guess which one.

when you don't spend in FA, then you better hit it in the draft at least 50% of the time. the past two years, we are 31st in FA spending and drafts have sucked. and we wonder what's wrong with this team?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The crazy thing about Mazi is we waited over 25 years to use a 1st round pick on a DT.........so far we got wrong.

I don’t fault them but they deserve heat for it. It’s failing. I really don’t know what the alternative is if you can’t find a DT you have to pay big money for one so I don’t know how that gets better.

Funny though Mo Collins still in the league, Gallimore still there….makes me wonder is it the players or us.

 

[HungryLion]

I’d say you are fine with Bass, Overshown, Brooks and Richards.

You completely killed your draft with those first two picks. Mazi…maybe they just whiffed there. The Schoon pick just doesn’t make sense. Never will. Those first two picks needed to be day one starters and contributors since you don’t spend money in free agency and one guy is a project and the other will never get on the field barring injury. Pure stupidity.

Exactly. And that’s the problem Marathon.


Every team misses on picks or has a bad draft. Every team.

The problem is the cowboys FO strategy is that they rely basically solely on the draft. It’s just unrealistic and to think they won’t have a bad draft or draft some busts eventually. It happens to every team.

The FO then refuses to cover for the bad draft by signing a couple free agents.

Take Mazi.

I wasn’t ready to give up on him before the season started either (now I know he is cooked).

But the FO relying on him to be the guy this season was asinine. He did nothing to show he was ready to be the guy at NT and they put nothing behind him until the very end of training camp when they literally signed old, out of shape players who were planning on being retired and not even getting ready to play this season.


Pure stupidity.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Having the first two picks be total swings and misses really stings. I don't think we even got 7th round value from either. Mazi would be cut by now if he was a Day 3 pick, and Schoon might be too.

In effect, our earliest pick was a 3rd rounder. Overshown is already a hit, but everyone after him is a miss already.

Just a really rough effort.

Which makes you wonder is it really a bad thing to ship out some picks for vets already proven? Would d have been worse off trading our second round pick for anything at this point!”?

 

[beware_d-ware]

I don’t fault them but they deserve heat for it. It’s failing. I really don’t know what the alternative is if you can’t find a DT you have to pay big money for one so I don’t know how that gets better.

Funny though Mo Collins still in the league, Gallimore still there….makes me wonder is it the players or us.

Maliek Collins has always kind of been a low-end starter, but he's still started 9 years in the NFL. In a league where new talent comes to take your job every year, that doesn't happen by accident. He's good.

 

[CoachD]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There are some 2023 UFAs who have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

yup this draft gets an F for a grade!

 

[MoistMayonnaise]

Trying to pick out one thing or point in time that caused the "downfall" of the Cowboys is tough. There hasn't been one trade, one draft, one anything that was the seminal moment except....

Jerry fired Jimmy and took control of personnel. That is the day this organization died.

 

[Bobhaze]

I don’t fault them but they deserve heat for it. It’s failing. I really don’t know what the alternative is if you can’t find a DT you have to pay big money for one so I don’t know how that gets better.

Funny though Mo Collins still in the league, Gallimore still there….makes me wonder is it the players or us.

The truth is, great DTs are somewhat hard to find. But using a late first round pick on a DT should at least give you some quality snaps 50% of the time. Mazi is a stat sheet zero. Complete whiff.