The 2023 draft is killing this organization

[Hawkeye0202]

he doesn’t have a position of strength.

You may be right but he was considered one of the strongest players in the draft. He was on Bruce Feldman's freak athlete list.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles...fl-draft-2023-scouting-report-for-michigan-dl

 

[beware_d-ware]

To make a bad situation worse, 2 Michigan DTs are highly rated in next years draft. I fully expect the Cowboys to do something stupid like draft one of them or worse, draft an RB in the 1st round. Provided the old fool doesn't trade our 1st rounder tomorrow.

Mason Graham has put up more sacks and TFLs in the past two months than Mazi did in his career. He can play.

Kenneth Grant is a little Mazi-ish, as a seriously athletic NT who's more potential than polish, but he also has better counting stats than Mazi. Mazi was uniquely unproductive for a 1st round DT.

 

[JW82]

Thats what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket. Their team building model requires them to be perfect in the draft, which no team can be.

 

[rambo2]

Ram, when you’re having to tout a 7th round pick as a “decent” contributor, it’s bad.

At least the draft will be fun this year. Should be our highest picks in years.

 

[kskboys]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There are some 2023 UFAs who have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

Yup.

As well as numerous 2nd round misses. Yes, I know all teams miss, but we repeatedly miss in the 2nd round.

 

[kskboys]

At least the draft will be fun this year. Should be our highest picks in years.

Unless Jerry gets stupid again and gives up our 1st in some moronic trade in a pathetic attempt to stay relevant.

 

[TwentyOne]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There are some 2023 UFAs who have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

and not only this draft.

We are not a good drafting team. At best and with a lot of good will medicore.

 

[JohnsKey19]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There are some 2023 UFAs who have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

Yeah but everyone thinks we'll simply reload with a good 2025 draft class.

 

[JustChip]

The crazy thing about Mazi is we waited over 25 years to use a 1st round pick on a DT.........so far we got wrong.

And, as Carr obviously affected how they approach FA since, Mazi probably means it’ll be another 25 years before another DT is taken in the 1st round.

 

[funkytown817]

The Mazi pick was terrible at the time, and we all saw it was a reach.

I think the Bills taking Dalton Kincaid right in front in of us (Round 1), messed up the entire draft. The whole world knew we wanted a Tight End. I think Kincaid was our pick and we panicked and took Mazi.

We should have just taken LaPorta or Mayer in round 1. But i think they saw a cluster and thought a good one would last until round 2.

But after we picked Mazi there went Mayer, LaPorta, and Musgrave. Then went reach #2 with Schoonmaker. The tight end run caught Jerry and company napping as usual.

They also needed a guard and could have taken O'Cyrus Torrence. And of course he was taken by the Bills with the next pick. Basically the Bills got the 2 players we should have gotten. Looks like its worked out well for them so far.


Every team misses, every year. But it was so obvious how they should have drafted in 2023.

RD 1- Sam LaPorta (or Mayer)
RD 2- O'Cyrus Torrence

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

If you heard JJs post game non-sense presser yesterday, he still loves Zeke, Just went out of his way to say Zeke is “an exemplary teammate”. I’m starting to wonder if Zeke has photos, lol.

Zeke has ALWAYS been a good team mate. Maybe not a great role model for the kids.

But a good team mate and player indeed. Wish he wasn't ....wish he would have not played when injured like Barkley and McCaffrey

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

At least the draft will be fun this year. Should be our highest picks in years.

As if that will matter? Hmm....okay then! Hope springs eternal.

 

[IceStar-D7]

As if that will matter? Hmm....okay then! Hope springs eternal.

Another Tac-Mazi special coming

 

[coult44]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There are some 2023 UFAs who have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

2024 isn’t much better

 

[charron]

3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown the only good player they took in 2023.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You may be right but he was considered one of the strongest players in the draft. He was on Bruce Feldman's freak athlete list.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles...fl-draft-2023-scouting-report-for-michigan-dl

Right but there’s a reason most first rounders bust and why a random 7th rounder turns into an All Pro. Measurables just don’t check off everything…Mazi may be the issue there.

 

[Cowboys93]

Even when not in on the tackle....overshown is often in the vicinity making an impact. Either sealing off an escape route or ensuring the tackle. Wonderful.

If we can get another impact LB akin to Kendricks (but obviously younger) we may be cooking with something

 

[baltcowboy]

The crazy thing about Mazi is we waited over 25 years to use a 1st round pick on a DT.........so far we got wrong.

The Cowboys don’t know how to draft defensive tackles. Some teams don’t draft certain positions well. This is one of many Cowboys bug a boo.

 

[fivetwos]

It's impossible to hit every draft.
and that is what hurts this team the most based off their flawed thinking of building a winner.

A stretch of FA's leave the team and when the draftees can't even be average it can setback a season. Add in injuries, it can tank a season
They go "All-in" on hoping the cheap drafted players can fill the cracks and improve the team.

I don’t even need to be a fly on the wall in the meeting room to have an idea that Stephen probably says things like “why should we pay 10m a year for Bobby Wagner when we have Damone Clark?”

One small example of what more than likely goes on.

 

[FVSTONE]

This organization has sold itself for years as being built as a “draft and develop“ team. Not only is this “draft and develop” model outdated and long ago shown to be not enough. Without some decent FAs thrown in as well, it places enormous pressure on each year’s draft to produce starters or at the very least, quality depth.

The 2023 draft is starting to look like a total disaster for an organization completely dependent on the draft to stay competitive, much less be a team capable of winning playoff games. When your first AND second round picks barely even make the box score, your draft is already a disaster.

Yesterday in Atlanta, 2023 1st round pick Mazi Smith had 28 snaps and literally did not make the stat sheet with even an assisted tackle. Second round pick TE Luke Schoonmaker had 1 snap on offense. The UFA Brevyn Spann-Ford is getting 4 times as many snaps as Schoonmaker. What a complete disaster.

The lone bright spot from last year’s draft is 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown who had 7 tackles yesterday including 3 TFLs. He is an impact player on a really bad defense.

So here are the players selected in 2023 and what they bring to the team:

• 1st round: DT Mazi Smith. Shown almost nothing in 25 regular season games so far. Not only showing he’s not a first round talent, he’s not even appearing to be even a draftable talent. On a team literally begging for DL to shore up the run stoppage, he plays less than 50% of the snaps.
• 2nd round TE Luke Schoonmaker. Can’t earn playing time. Typically gets less than 5 snaps a game. Has 8 receptions in 8 games this year and 16 receptions in 23 regular season games in his career.
• 3rd round LB DeMarvion Overshown. Missed his rookie year due to a knee injury but has been a real bright spot showing great speed, range and tackling ability.
• 4th round DE Vilami Fehoko. No longer with the team - waived this last September.
• 5th round T Asim Richards. A backup OL who has looked decent at times in training camp but will only be pressed into regular season duty in a pinch.
• 6th round CB Eric Scott. Was also waived in September; now on the chiefs practice squad.
• 6th round RB Deuce Vaughn. In a season and a half almost never plays. Has only played in 12 regular season games and has 7 carries for 20 yards.
• 7th round WR Jalen Brooks. He has played as a backup WR with occasional receptions but in a season and a half has 13 receptions, no TDs.
• There are some 2023 UFAs who have been decent for this team. FB Hunter Luepke, G TJ Bass and (now injured) TE John Stephens Jr. Contributors and depth pieces.

So for a draft and develop team, having a draft be this unhelpful is a disaster. It’s one of the biggest reasons this team is so bad this year.

Bobby, this is a bad team/organization with an extremely limited QB. After yesterday's beat down it's time to put Prescott on the IR for as long as they possibly can and start Rush AND sprinkle in a little Lance for good measures. Rush threw some nice long passes that should been caught, whereas Prescott is struggling with 2-5 yd passes. It appears that Prescott cannot function without an ALL PRO O-Line, ALL PRO receivers and TE which isn't good for this organization and has regressed at an alarming pace which is going to hamper this organization for YEARS to come.