The 58 minute defense

[Maikeru-sama]

SO... Glenn has one INT at the end of the Chargers game, (which was a broken up 4th down play anyhow) and gets burned twice at the end of the Commanders game that our defense domintated, and gets a crucial PI call on a first and 20 play which drive ended in a touchdown.


I am not saying the defense lost this, this topic is about the 58 min defense and the inability to stop offenses at the end of the game and I see a common denominator here. Glenns mental mistakes in the last minutes of those 2 games has cost us dearly. And a good play at the end of the chargers game (that we didnt dominate) helped seal it for us.

I like the guy, however, he has given up a lot of plays at the end of 2 games that our Defense shut down.

What Commanders game were you watching?

The Cowboys were in a Zone defense. Glenn's responsibilities on those plays were not deep, it was Roy Williams' assignment.

You really want to point blame at Zimmer. You gave out a great WAD of money to Anthony Henry and pickup Aaron Glenn, a Pro Bowl. Why ON earth wouldnt you call a man play and let those guys earn their money instead of opting to play a SOFT, easily defeated Zone coverage which Roy Williams obviously struggles in. And make no mistake, he struggles in those coverages, and that dates back to the Miami game on Thanksgiving in 03.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

58 minute D - that makes my blood boil -will they mention the turnovers our D created and the turnovers our O gave up?

Agreed.

These guys held one of the MOST explosive offenses in the NFL to 3 Points most of the ball game.

This is clearly on Peyton, Parcells and Bledsoe. They screwed up.

- Mike G.

 

[Jimz31]

Yes, we have a 58 minute defense....which is why we need to play more aggresively on offense. BUT, if we don't have a passing game, it's a moot point evidently.

Time to change our philosophy. Play as though we have nothing to lose or something......

 

[brucem78]

Maybe Bill Parcells should adopt Bill Cowher's classic "60 Minute Football" pre-game speech spit and all. This 58 minute stuff is bad for my health.

 

[rexrobinson]

What Commanders game were you watching?

The Cowboys were in a Zone defense. Glenn's responsibilities on those plays were not deep, it was Roy Williams' assignment.

You really want to point blame at Zimmer. You gave out a great WAD of money to Anthony Henry and pickup Aaron Glenn, a Pro Bowl. Why ON earth wouldnt you call a man play and let those guys earn their money instead of opting to play a SOFT, easily defeated Zone coverage which Roy Williams obviously struggles in. And make no mistake, he struggles in those coverages, and that dates back to the Miami game on Thanksgiving in 03.

How do you know we were playing Zone D? Were you in the huddle, do you have access to the playcalls? If we were running zone, why in the world did Glenn run with him the whole way and not just drop off when his zone was exited?

Why didnt Glenn chip Moss? You do that when you play zone D...none of that happend in that game..he got burned twice on the same play.

I love this defense but its Glenn who has made the key mental mistakes in these two losses where we have dominated the game, and got beat in the end.

I honestly belive the lack of execution on the offense lost the game, but were talking about the 58 min defense here.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

How do you know we were playing Zone D? Were you in the huddle, do you have access to the playcalls? If we were running zone, why in the world did Glenn run with him the whole way and not just drop off when his zone was exited?

Why didnt Glenn chip Moss? You do that when you play zone D...none of that happend in that game..he got burned twice on the same play.

I love this defense but its Glenn who has made the key mental mistakes in these two losses where we have dominated the game, and got beat in the end.

I honestly belive the lack of execution on the offense lost the game, but were talking about the 58 min defense here.

I know we were in a Zone defense because I record ever game.

I agree, he should have chipped but Roy was as much to blame as Glenn.

Again, Zimmer is to blame for the Commanders game because of the LAX defensive play calling. Everyone knows we go zone most of the time when we have a lead and it is late in the fourth quarter. It was the SAME defense we were in against the Giants.

We shut Little Manning down the entire game, but he starts scrambling for 10 yards and looking like Steve Young because we were in Zone Coverages.

Go look at the tape, dont take my word for it.

And Glenn ran with him the whole WAY because it was obvious they were going DEEP, especially the 2nd time.

- Mike G.

 

[Kilyin]

It's hard to criticize the defense, overall they're playing lights out, much better than any Dallas defense I've seen for a long time.

What kills us is when the "anemic" Dallas Cowboys offense shows up. That's the offense that just can't seem to throw the ball, or doesn't even try. It's the offense that can't set up the pass with the run, even with an effective running game. An offense with a good running game that rarely ever calls a play action. That offense has shown up many times with Flozell Adams. It's shown up with Julius Jones. It's shown up with Patrick Crayton. Is the real Dallas offense the one that showed up and dominated the Eagles? Or is it the one that allowed the Giants to stay in the game last week and make us win in overtime, and gave the Seahawks a last minute win today?

These drives I'm gonna paste are the real game killers if you ask me. Aside from the obvious idiotic Bledsoe interception at the end, some questionable defensive interference calls which allowed Seattle to move down the field and score the TD, and the Cortez shank, these were the defining drives that led to a Dallas loss, imo.

Dallas Cowboys at 11:40
1-10-DAL 36 (11:40) 28-T.Thompson up the middle to DAL 43 for 7 yards (98-G.Wistrom, 54-D.Lewis).
2-3-DAL 43 (11:06) 28-T.Thompson right guard to DAL 43 for no gain (51-L.Tatupu).
3-3-DAL 43 (10:23) 24-M.Barber left guard to DAL 44 for 1 yard (98-G.Wistrom).
4-2-DAL 44 (9:50) 1-M.McBriar punts 41 yards to SEA 15, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, fair catch by 22-J.Williams.

Where is the playaction on second down? Not even a pass attempt? C'mon. Don't play like we're leading 35 to 3 when we're up 7 to 3.

Dallas Cowboys at 6:39
1-10-DAL 41 (6:39) 11-D.Bledsoe pass to 83-T.Glenn to SEA 43 for 16 yards (31-K.Herndon). P16
1-10-SEA 43 (6:03) 24-M.Barber left end to SEA 41 for 2 yards (23-M.Trufant, 54-D.Lewis).
2-8-SEA 41 (5:25) 24-M.Barber FUMBLES (Aborted) at SEA 46, and recovers at SEA 46. 24-M.Barber to SEA 46 for no gain (55-J.Sharper).
3-13-SEA 46 (4:39) 24-M.Barber right guard to SEA 38 for 8 yards (31-K.Herndon).
4-5-SEA 38 (3:52) 1-M.McBriar punts 26 yards to SEA 12, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, fair catch by 22-J.Williams.

What do you do after picking up a first down on a pass? Run the ball three times and punt. (?????)

Dallas Cowboys at 3:04
1-10-SEA 12 (3:04) 24-M.Barber left guard to SEA 8 for 4 yards (94-B.Fisher, 54-D.Lewis).
2-6-SEA 8 (2:20) 24-M.Barber up the middle to SEA 5 for 3 yards (27-J.Babineaux).
Timeout #1 by SEA at 02:15.
3-3-SEA 5 (2:15) 11-D.Bledsoe right end to SEA 3 for 2 yards (54-D.Lewis). FUMBLES (54-D.Lewis), ball out of bounds at SEA 3.
4-1-SEA 3 (2:08) 2-J.Cortez 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, Holder-9-T.Romo.
DAL 10 SEA 3, 4 plays, 9 yards, 0:58 drive, 12:54 elapsed

Again, didn't even try play action. Two running plays, then pass it on third down when they know it's coming. Bledsoe scrambles, Witten is wide open. Instead of dumping it off, Bledsoe tries to run it in, gets drilled. 4th and 1. So what if Bledsoe just got nailed, run a sneak. Get the first down or the touchdown.

 

[Oh_Canada]

...but let's not pin blame on a defense which gave up a TOTAL of 13 points on the road against a top ranked offense.

Blame the o-line.

Blame the QB.

Blame the atrocious play calling.

Blame that fraud of a kicker.

Blame all of the above.....but the defense is the last to blame for this loss.

 

[wxcpo]

Agree with Canada and everyone else here that says defense is not the blame for this loss. I don't even blame the Bledsoe interception at the end. It was the conservative playcalling and the 3 drives mentioned by Kilyin above that ultimately lost this game. If the Cowboys punch in that TD after the Williams INT instead of settling for a FG then after Seattle scores the TD, they kick on onside kick. If we receover the kick we simply kneal down and leave Seattle 14-10 winners in stead of 13-10 losers.

The defense played their hearts out. If there is one thing I didn't like seeing on the defense though is seeing those corners play so far off the WRs. Play up on those guys and bump them a little. Those guys are 3rd or 4th WRs at best, our two CBs should be able to dominate those type WRs, if they can't then our secondary isn't as good as it needs to be.

 

[Zman5]

The D gave up 2TDs past 3 weeks against the top ranked offenses.

Our D is not the problem. The OL and the Kicker is.

 

[TrIpLeTs06]

We are only gonna get better we are still a project team 8-8 is a good year for a young developing team

We're better than 8-8..... a lot better.

our defense played great today.. poor playcalling in the redzone cost us the game.

 

[dal0789]

This one is the Offences fault, the defence shut down shawn alexander, and the passing game. The offence needed to score more points esspecialy since the hawks safety was injured it should have opened things up with the passing game, but no we dont take advantage, we just play concervative.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I don't get it. How did the Defense lose this game?

Offense that couldn't punch it in the endzone. Missed field and an interception for a FG.


Morons.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The defense hardly lost this game for us.

I'm so sick of people blaming our defense for giving up 13 points and under to great offenses.

It's our OFFENSE'S FAULT in these losses. Or more specifically, our COACH'S FAULT for playing scared on offense and hoping the clock will run out before they can score. What a chicken**** way to play the game.

 

[Frosty]

Blame the Defense NO, But you have to admit there is a problem win we lose games in the last 2 minutes and its by giving up big plays. We need to learn to finish them off both offensivly and defensively. Cant play football for 58 minutes and expect to win. Alot of callers on the radio show also talked about the sorry A**play calling, and how our IN-ept offensive line blew it big time. We are going to eat a lot crow this week.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Blame the Defense NO, But you have to admit there is a problem win we lose games in the last 2 minutes and its by giving up big plays. We need to learn to finish them off both offensivly and defensively. Cant play football for 58 minutes and expect to win. Alot of callers on the radio show also talked about the sorry A**play calling, and how our IN-ept offensive line blew it big time. We are going to eat a lot crow this week.

It doesn't matter when the Hawks scored, bottom line is that the defense gave up 13 points....the Cowboys should win any game in which the defense holds an opponent to 13 or less.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Blame the Defense NO, But you have to admit there is a problem win we lose games in the last 2 minutes and its by giving up big plays. We need to learn to finish them off both offensivly and defensively. Cant play football for 58 minutes and expect to win.

No, I'd say you can't score 10 points in this league and expect to win.

Our defense should not even be in the postion to worry about losing games like this in the last two minutes, because we should already have more than a seven point lead.