the Belichek theory? has your opinion changed

[mr.jameswoods]

I remember two years ago, fans were debating that Bill Bellichek was the reason for Parcells past success and the reason Parcells struggled is because he lacked Bellichek at his side. I also recall fans saying that Bellichek only won because he had Romeo Crennel and Charley Weiss. Now that Crennel is about to be fired and failed miserably in Cleveland while Bellichek's defense and team is still one of the best in the NFL, have you changed your mind in regards to the Bellichek theory. Let's be honest, this was the year, the Patriots were supposed to rebuild due to all of their losses and they are considered the second best team in the NFL behind the Chargers at the moment. Even Charlie Weiss has struggled in big games at Notre Dame.

 

[CalCBFan]

I have ALWAYS adhered to the theory that BP was made great by Bill Belichek. To say otherwise is to just deny reality. Belichek won 3-out-of-4 SBs w/o BP and BP can't even win 1 PO game w/o Belichek. It's obvious...

 

[CalCBFan]

I'll tell you something else. Andy Reid is the brains behind Mike Holmgren, too. He has done much better on his own than Holmgren has done w/o him...

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I'll tell you something else. Andy Reid is the brains behind Mike Holmgren, too. He has done much better on his own than Holmgren has done w/o him...

To add to what you said, Brett Favre in an interview admitted as much as well. And that was before Reid was hired by the Eagles.

However, Holmgren at least got to a Superbowl while Parcells hasn't won a playoff game without Bellichek

 

[Dale]

I think it's become clear that Parcells was the motivator, among other things, while Belichick was the master of the schemes in their haydays together.

I do think Parcells "can" win without Belichick. But he needs a strong, highly capable defensive coordinator by his side. That much I do believe.

I don't think he has that here. Zimmer is ok at best. Even for those that don't hate the guy's schemes, I can't imagine anyone arguing he's an innovator or among the best DCs in the league. He's just not. He's just a guy, at best.

While I'm on that topic, Zimmer strikes me as a guy that will "coach up" bad talent and make them functional. He can dial up some smoke and mirrors and make an ok unit look pretty strong. But he can't cross over to that next level, which is of the dominant/feared sort. I think it's pretty clear the talent's in place right now on the defensive side. In the past, I marveled how he took sometimes bad players and made them look solid. But give him a great one and he doesn't know how to creatively use his talents.

It's always something with him. He either doesn't have enough corners, a good enough free safety, enough pass rushers, a run-stopping guy, etc. I have a hard time believing a defense like San Diego's truly has NO weakness whatsoever. Every team does. It just seems like Zimmer-coached squads are fairly easily exposed in comparison.

 

[CF74]

I remember two years ago, fans were debating that Bill Bellichek was the reason for Parcells past success and the reason Parcells struggled is because he lacked Bellichek at his side. I also recall fans saying that Bellichek only won because he had Romeo Crennel and Charley Weiss. Now that Crennel is about to be fired and failed miserably in Cleveland while Bellichek's defense and team is still one of the best in the NFL, have you changed your mind in regards to the Bellichek theory. Let's be honest, this was the year, the Patriots were supposed to rebuild due to all of their losses and they are considered the second best team in the NFL behind the Chargers at the moment. Even Charlie Weiss has struggled in big games at Notre Dame.

2nd in front of the Ravens??

 

[Rack]

the Bellichek theory? has your opinion changed .

BP can win a superbowl without BB.



But he can't win one with Zimmer.

 

[Bleu Star]

I think it's become clear that Parcells was the motivator, among other things, while Belichick was the master of the schemes in their haydays together.

 

[tunahelper]

Anyone ever heard of Tom Brady?
You think BB is a genius because he drafted him in the 6th rd?
Everyone needs to slow down and allow this team sometime to continue the building process.
The defense needs work and more talent and the offense has plenty of youth.
Why anyone viewed this team as Superbowl contenders is beyond me.
At what stage of the season can anyone say Dallas was showing elite play?
We are young and it is going to take time.

 

[Sarge]

Anyone ever heard of Tom Brady?-----YES, BB DRAFTED HIM

You think BB is a genius because he drafted him in the 6th rd?-----PERHAPS, YES, IT CEWRTAINLY WASN'T A BAD THING.....

Everyone needs to slow down and allow this team sometime to continue the building process.----------THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE BP GOT HERE. IF NOT FOR ROMO, WE'D FINISH UP 6-10, 7-9..........AGAIN....

The defense needs work and more talent and the offense has plenty of youth.....FLOZELL ADAMS YOUNG? RIVERA YOUNG? TERRELL OWENS YOUNG? TERRY GLENN YOUNG?

Why anyone viewed this team as Superbowl contenders is beyond me......THAT'S YOUR PEROGATIVE.


At what stage of the season can anyone say Dallas was showing elite play?---------THEY HAVEN'T - THEREIN LIES THE PROBLEM.

We are young and it is going to take time.---------YEP - THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TELLING US FOR YEARS NOW........

................

 

[ManicDepressiveMan]

I think it is fairly obvious that Purcells isn't much of a motivator anymore either.

He can't get his teams ready to play in December anymore. The record in Dallas speaks for itself.

The guy has lost his magic and it is time for a fresh, young coach.

 

[AtlCB]

I remember two years ago, fans were debating that Bill Bellichek was the reason for Parcells past success and the reason Parcells struggled is because he lacked Bellichek at his side. I also recall fans saying that Bellichek only won because he had Romeo Crennel and Charley Weiss. Now that Crennel is about to be fired and failed miserably in Cleveland while Bellichek's defense and team is still one of the best in the NFL, have you changed your mind in regards to the Bellichek theory. Let's be honest, this was the year, the Patriots were supposed to rebuild due to all of their losses and they are considered the second best team in the NFL behind the Chargers at the moment. Even Charlie Weiss has struggled in big games at Notre Dame.

Bill Belichek has won the same number of superbowls without Crennel and Weis as Parcells has won without Belichek - 0. Revisit this when one of these two win their next superbowl.

Does anybody really think this team has a chance to win the SB with San Diego, Baltimore, and Indianapolis in their conference?

 

[88 enough said]

I think it is fairly obvious that Purcells isn't much of a motivator anymore either.

He can't get his teams ready to play in December anymore. The record in Dallas speaks for itself.

The guy has lost his magic and it is time for a fresh, young coach.

Good point I think BP is too old to show a bunch of fire on the sideline without having a heartattack.

 

[Deputy493]

If Belichek is so great, why did he do nothing when he was at Cleveland? Also remember, Belichek learned defense from Parcells, not the other way around, I believe Belichek was a QB coach when Parcells found him.

It can also be easily said that if the Pats had not lucked out at getting a diamond franchise QB in the 6th round, we aren't even having this discussion. If they knew Brady was so great, they would've taken him long before the 6th round and they have said they almost took Tim Rattay over Brady.

Let's revisit the two Superbowls they won together.....they had the best team when they beat Denver and scored 38 points, did Belichek do that? When they beat the Bills, the reason they won was because they kept the ball away from Buffalo with long sustained drives, not because their defense smoother Buffalo, Thomas ran at will in that game, when they had the ball and Buffalo went through Belichek's D like a hot knife through butter, if not for a Norwood choke, we aren't talking about this because Belichek's D allowed Bufflao to be in positition to win the game at the end.

I mean, was Jimmy Johnson only good because of Norv Turner? He never won a Superbowl without him......give me a break.

 

[superpunk]

All coaches need good coordinators - same as it ever was.

 

[dbair1967]

I remember two years ago, fans were debating that Bill Bellichek was the reason for Parcells past success and the reason Parcells struggled is because he lacked Bellichek at his side. I also recall fans saying that Bellichek only won because he had Romeo Crennel and Charley Weiss. Now that Crennel is about to be fired and failed miserably in Cleveland while Bellichek's defense and team is still one of the best in the NFL, have you changed your mind in regards to the Bellichek theory. Let's be honest, this was the year, the Patriots were supposed to rebuild due to all of their losses and they are considered the second best team in the NFL behind the Chargers at the moment. Even Charlie Weiss has struggled in big games at Notre Dame.

There is no question about it, Belichick is the best in the biz, period.

And yeah, I now do believe he was the main reason for Parcell's success. I didnt believe it when we hired Parcells, but after 4 years of what we've seen here I am convinced of it now. Parcells won because of his great coaching staff, not because he was a great coach. Kinda like Switzer with us, only Switzer also had the best players to go along with the best staff.

David

 

[dbair1967]

I'll tell you something else. Andy Reid is the brains behind Mike Holmgren, too. He has done much better on his own than Holmgren has done w/o him...

perhaps, but Holmgren should have another championship from last year...only pathetic officiating kept them from winning that game...although I guess you could blame him for some of the clock management issues, still...they should have won that game

David

 

[Sarge]

perhaps, but Holmgren should have another championship from last year...only pathetic officiating kept them from winning that game...although I guess you could blame him for some of the clock management issues, still...they should have won that game

David

Jeremey Stevans dropping every pass thrown his way didn't help either.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Fire Zimmer and hire Crennell

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Good point I think BP is too old to show a bunch of fire on the sideline without having a heartattack.

This is funny to me for a whole lot of reasons.