The Benefits of Film Study

[theogt]

This is sarcasm. I'm certain of it!

Line up our offense against a decent high school defense and run the same offensive play 30 times in a row. Tell me how many yards we gain on the 30th play.

If your answer is anything other than some nominal you don't know squat about anything. It's the same damn idea so we can see who needs to be laughed at here.

 

[CATCH17]

It's absolutely true. They'll beat them every time. Tell them what routes they're running. If the team has half a brain among them, they can stop it every time.

But this is why you have option routes and things that add unpredictability into the play. Without those things, you're dead.

Ouch..

 

[BubbleScreen]

It's absolutely true. They'll beat them every time. Tell them what routes they're running. If the team has half a brain among them, they can stop it every time.

But this is why you have option routes and things that add unpredictability into the play. Without those things, you're dead.

This is perhaps the most comical thing I've read on this board, and in the top 10 for the Internet at large. :laugh2:

Thank you.

 

[BubbleScreen]

Line up our offense against a decent high school defense and run the same offensive play 30 times in a row. Tell me how many yards we gain on the 30th play.

If your answer is anything other than some nominal you don't know squat about anything. It's the same damn idea so we can see who needs to be laughed at here.

Well, after Witten, who at 6'6", 260, is bigger than anyone on the high school team finishes wiping out the right side of the DL, Martellus can do the left. QED.

Plus, the high school D's performance would peak after the second or third snap because of the absolute whipping even a Pat McQuistan would put on them. Most of them will not even get up after the 10th snap.

There's a reason they use the phrase, 'man among boys', after all.

Oh, you wanted an answer: assuming they start on the offense's 20, Dallas' offense gains 80 yards on 30 plays in a row, and that's not even considering using Der Beeler on the lead draw.

Not a single high school team tackles Barber, Jones, or Choice against the Cowboys O. Not one in 30 tries, nor 3000.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Line up our offense against a decent high school defense and run the same offensive play 30 times in a row. Tell me how many yards we gain on the 30th play.

If your answer is anything other than some nominal you don't know squat about anything. It's the same damn idea so we can see who needs to be laughed at here.

Admittedly, no one has ever attempted the scenario you're proposing; therefore, we have no hard observational evidence either way.

However, my instinct tells me, if the Cowboys offense were to run load left against any high school defense thirty consecutive times, the high school defense would wear out physically long before the Cowboys offense.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Nah, if the play is a dive its possible to bring them down.

There are some freakish HS players. Some people thought Adrian Peterson could have been drafted straight out of HS

 

[theogt]

Admittedly, no one has ever attempted the scenario you're proposing; therefore, we have no hard observational evidence either way.

However, my instinct tells me, if the Cowboys offense were to run load left against any high school defense thirty consecutive times, the high school defense would wear out physically long before the Cowboys offense.

We're talking 5-6 blockers against 7-8 bodies. You're not getting anywhere.

 

[CATCH17]

Nah, if the play is a dive its possible to bring them down.

There are some freakish HS players. Some people thought Adrian Peterson could have been drafted straight out of HS

There is definetely a lot of kids who could tackle an NFL RB 1 on 1. It's just never going to be that easy though.

 

[BubbleScreen]

We're talking 5-6 blockers against 7-8 bodies. You're not getting anywhere.

I didn't think about it like that. I change my opinion. Even if the high school kids give up 100 pounds of body weight and at least twice that in effective strength, if they know where the play is going they will stop it every time because they have a couple extra guys.

 

[Hostile]

Wow. It's good to know that the Cowboys are the only team doing this sort of thing with film.

Hopefully, this information won't get in the hands of Peyton Manning and the like.

Yeah, that's what I said, that other teams do not do this.

Just when I think you couldn't get any......................never mind.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

If you were to tell Felix Jones he could run through only one specific gap and no other gap for thirty consecutive plays, I suppose the high school defense would have a chance if they knew the gap prior to the play and then sent every defender they had.

However, in "real life", Jones is probably going to cut back or bounce the play outside where he has the speed to outrun everyone on the high school defense.

That's my take, anyway.

 

[theogt]

If you were to tell Felix Jones he could run through only one specific gap and no other gap for thirty consecutive plays, I suppose the high school defense would have a chance if they knew the gap prior to the play and then sent every defender they had.

However, in "real life", Jones is probably going to cut back or bounce the play outside where he has the speed to outrun everyone on the high school defense.

That's my take, anyway.

You mean that Felix has to improvise and not execute the play as designed in order to make it work? He has to work outside the box and be different?

There's a reason why a corner blitz from a 5'10", 195 lb. corner works -- there simply aren't enough blockers, no matter how small that extra player is.

 

[Hostile]

Admittedly, no one has ever attempted the scenario you're proposing; therefore, we have no hard observational evidence either way.

However, my instinct tells me, if the Cowboys offense were to run load left against any high school defense thirty consecutive times, the high school defense would wear out physically long before the Cowboys offense.

The HS Defense might last 5 plays before they ran out of bodies to throw out there. NFL players would maul HS kids.

There's a HS CB who can cover Miles Austin? Not a chance. There's a D-line that could prevent the O-line from bulldozing them? Not a chance.

It was funny though.

 

[theogt]

The HS Defense might last 5 plays before they ran out of bodies to throw out there. NFL players would maul HS kids.

There's a HS CB who can cover Miles Austin? Not a chance. There's a D-line that could prevent the O-line from bulldozing them? Not a chance.

It was funny though.

He doesn't have to "cover" him. He simply has to know the route. If he knows the route, he gets in position and waits.

Your immediate reaction will be, "but Miles can run a different route than called for" -- but that's not execution. That's improvisation, something very different from executing the play.

And sure, one on one, our O-line could bulldoze just about any high school player. But if you know the play, it's not one on one. It's double teams, triple teams. No matter how big Leonard Davis is, he can't block 2-3 people.

And, by the way, the defensive linemen on a good Texas high school team will have 6+ guys that are at least 6'2", 250+ lbs. We're not talking Bob Sacamano.

 

[percyhoward]

We're not talking Bob Sacamano.

You're not even talking about reality. But it's entertaining, so what's the difference, right?

There are times when something is working, especially in the run game, and you wish Garrett would just stick with the play until the defense shows that it can stop it. Maybe not run it 30 times in a row, but 3.

 

[Hostile]

:laugh2:

It actually gets funnier.

 

[theogt]

:laugh2:

It actually gets funnier.

I know, right? You actually think that 5 men could block 7 or 8 on a consistent basis!

A real knee slapper. I tell you, I've heard silly things and then there's this.

This conversation's too dumb for me to even continue. Some people just can't see the obvious.

 

[Hostile]

I know, right? You actually think that 5 men could block 7 or 8 on a consistent basis!

A real knee slapper. I tell you, I've heard silly things and then there's this.

This conversation's too dumb for me to even continue. Some people just can't see the obvious.

Then by all means open your eyes. No way HS players could stop an NFL Offense even if they knew the play. They would get mauled. Period.

 

[NextGenBoys]

He doesn't have to "cover" him. He simply has to know the route. If he knows the route, he gets in position and waits.

Your immediate reaction will be, "but Miles can run a different route than called for" -- but that's not execution. That's improvisation, something very different from executing the play.

And sure, one on one, our O-line could bulldoze just about any high school player. But if you know the play, it's not one on one. It's double teams, triple teams. No matter how big Leonard Davis is, he can't block 2-3 people.

And, by the way, the defensive linemen on a good Texas high school team will have 6+ guys that are at least 6'2", 250+ lbs. We're not talking Bob Sacamano.

No my immediate reaction is there is no way a high school kid would be able to keep up with him.

Theo you're a good poster, *** are you doing here dude? You've lost your mind man.

You're playing football on paper. It's played on a field with physicality and athleticism, something that high schoolers can't even come close to compared to the NFL.

 

[theogt]

No my immediate reaction is there is no way a high school kid would be able to keep up with him.

Theo you're a good poster, *** are you doing here dude? You've lost your mind man.

You're playing football on paper. It's played on a field with physicality and athleticism, something that high schoolers can't even come close to compared to the NFL.

What do you mean he would have to keep up with him?

You go stand where the ball is going to be thrown and wait for it. Why would you run anywhere if you know the route?

But obviously, in a "real" game, not on "paper" you can't do that. Why? Because there are complexities -- there are adjustments, there are option routes, there is improvisation. NONE of those things have to with execution. Those things have to do with being unpredictable.

Some people aren't willing to accept these complexities and think "execution" is more important.