The Benefits of Film Study

[Hostile]

What do you mean he would have to keep up with him?

You go stand where the ball is going to be thrown and wait for it. Why would you run anywhere if you know the route?

Are you saying that you put all 11 guys in one spot?

That isn't facing the play 30 straight times. It isn't even close.

Marion Barber with Leonard Davis pulling on a sweep behind Cricket there are at least 8 HS kids going to be on the field injured at the end of the play.

HS kids cannot hang with NFL players.

Not happening man.

 

[NextGenBoys]

What do you mean he would have to keep up with him?

You go stand where the ball is going to be thrown and wait for it. Why would you run anywhere if you know the route?

What are you talking about? Stand there?

Explain to me what you're talking about. Say Miles is running a skinny post. Where's the defender going to stand at and wait for the ball?

The ball will be simply thrown before then, and Austin will then get some serious YAC.

 

[theogt]

Are you saying that you put all 11 guys in one spot?

That isn't facing the play 30 straight times. It isn't even close.

Marion Barber with Leonard Davis pulling on a sweep behind Cricket there are at least 8 HS kids going to be on the field injured at the end of the play.

HS kids cannot hang with NFL players.

Not happening man.

Run a sweep behind just Cricket and Leonard Davis and give me 11 high school players and you will get negative yardage nearly every single play.

What are you talking about? Stand there?

Explain to me what you're talking about. Say Miles is running a skinny post. Where's the defender going to stand at and wait for the ball?

The ball will be simply thrown before then, and Austin will then get some serious YAC.

AHA! But you can't throw the ball early because that makes it a different route. And the stipulation is that you know the route. If you change the route, then obviously that's outside the boundaries of our little experiment.

What you're talking about is making an "adjustment." And that adds complexity to the game. It adds unpredictability.

 

[Hostile]

Run a sweep behind just Cricket and Leonard Davis and give me 11 high school players and you will get negative yardage nearly every single play.

AHA! But you can't throw the ball early because that makes it a different route. And the stipulation is that you know the route. If you change the route, then obviously that's outside the boundaries of our little experiment.

What you're talking about is making an "adjustment." And that adds complexity to the game. It add unpredictability.

:laugh2:

This is actually getting sillier. Now we are reduced to 11 on 3 to make your point. Why not just make it 11 on 1? There is nothing to this worth the time to do anything but laugh at.

 

[theogt]

:laugh2:

This is actually getting sillier. Now we are reduced to 11 on 3 to make your point. Why not just make it 11 on 1? There is nothing to this worth the time to do anything but laugh at.

What's silly is that you're the one actually trying to argue that the 3 would beat 11 just because the 11 are "high school kids."

Chew on that one.

In the NFL, it's not about 3 vs. 11. It's about making more subtle adjustments to take a receiver out of a game or to overload one side of the field or to bring a corner blitz or to "create matchups" by adding complexity and the element of surprise. Those things aren't about execution. They're about something else. And that "something else" is why every single coach and player in the NFL spends hours and hours every day and every week preparing for the next opponent.

And anyone who thinks that a team that knows the other side's plays isn't going to shut them down is delusional, no matter how much better the other team is.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Run a sweep behind just Cricket and Leonard Davis and give me 11 high school players and you will get negative yardage nearly every single play.

AHA! But you can't throw the ball early because that makes it a different route. And the stipulation is that you know the route. If you change the route, then obviously that's outside the boundaries of our little experiment.

What you're talking about is making an "adjustment." And that adds complexity to the game. It adds unpredictability.

Alright so your definition of execution is doing exactly what the play calls for at the exact location where it was drawn up on paper.

That's your definition?

 

[theogt]

Alright so your definition of execution is doing exactly what the play calls for at the exact location where it was drawn up on paper.

That's your definition?

If you execute a plan, it means you carry the plan out. If your plan is to run 10 yards, stop and turnaround, it means you run 10 yards, stop and turnaround. If your plan is to run 10 yards, stop and turnaround, and you know the tendencies of the cornerback and the position of the safety and both you and the quarterback make an adjustment that is outside of the 10 yards and stop, then that's not execution, that's something else.

Making adjustments, thinking on your feet, being smart enough to outfox someone isn't execution. If you have the world's fastest 10 yard sprinter, he can beat me to the 10 yard spot and catch the ball if I'm running with him. But if I know he's running 10 yards and stopping, I'll just go stand 10 yards ahead and knock the ball way. If I know you're running a slant, I'll cheat inside. Etc. Etc.

 

[NextGenBoys]

If you execute a plan, it means you carry the plan out. If your plan is to run 10 yards, stop and turnaround, it means you run 10 yards, stop and turnaround. If your plan is to run 10 yards, stop and turnaround, and you know the tendencies of the cornerback and the position of the safety and both you and the quarterback make an adjustment that is outside of the 10 yards and stop, then that's not execution, that's something else.

Making adjustments, thinking on your feet, being smart enough to outfox someone isn't execution.

Alright so using your example, you think a high school kid could stop Miles Austin on a ten yard hitch even if they knew it was coming?

Dude, NFL players can't even stop him from getting inside position on slants that they know are coming.

High schoolers have no shot.

 

[theogt]

Alright so using your example, you think a high school kid could stop Miles Austin on a ten yard hitch even if they knew it was coming?

Dude, NFL players can't even stop him from getting inside position on slants that they know are coming.

High schoolers have no shot.

No, they don't know it's coming. And if they did, they could stop it pretty easily. That's why they call the back of the endzone the 12th man. It limits what an offense can do. It limits their options, so the defense knows they have to cover fewer routes, fewer plays.

 

[bbgun]

High schoolers have no shot.

What if they're kinda slow upstairs and have been held back six or seven years?

 

[NextGenBoys]

What if they're kinda slow upstairs and have been held back six or seven years?

Haha Shonn Greene might be the closest thing to that. Maybe Chris Weinke dinkey-do.

...That hurt me to say.

 

[Hostile]

Ball on the 5 yard line. Tom Brady at QB. Randy Moss at WR. 30 straight jump ball fade routes.

Here are the results even if you put 11 HS defenders on Moss.

1. Touchdown
2. Pass interference on one of the HS kids
3. a fluke dropped pass
4. a fluke jump by one of the HS kids to tip it away. He would have to be one spectacular HS kid to even get close.

I'd say Moss scores 28 TDs or more. Easily.

 

[theogt]

Ball on the 5 yard line. Tom Brady at QB. Randy Moss at WR. 30 straight jump ball fade routes.

Here are the results even if you put 11 HS defenders on Moss.

1. Touchdown
2. Pass interference on one of the HS kids
3. a fluke dropped pass
4. a fluke jump by one of the HS kids to tip it away. He would have to be one spectacular HS kid to even get close.

I'd say Moss scores 28 TDs or more. Easily.

I agree. But this is the exception and not the rule. And this isn't about execution. It's about pure athletic ability.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Depends on the player.

You are taking the best of the best from the NFL in that scenario

The number 1 HS CB prospect would fare well if he knows its coming

 

[Hostile]

I agree. But this is the exception and not the rule. And this isn't about execution. It's about pure athletic ability.

No, the exception is your silly contention of sending everyone to the same spot on the field instead of the original contention of running the play. That isn't running a play.

I bet it wouldn't even work on Madden.

 

[Hostile]

Depends on the player.

You are taking the best of the best from the NFL in that scenario

The number 1 HS CB prospect would fare well if he knows its coming

If he knows it is coming but still has to run the play and guard the NFL WR, no he wouldn't. It is really silly.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

If he knows it is coming but still has to run the play and guard the NFL WR, no he wouldn't. It is really silly.

Sure he could. If you are taking the best DB prospect in HS he can go 6'2", 180 lbs, w/ the same speed and vert that Moss has.

All he has to do is get his hand in there

 

[Hostile]

:laugh2:

No wonder our fans don't respect our players. They have no concept of their real athletic ability.

 

[theogt]

No, the exception is your silly contention of sending everyone to the same spot on the field instead of the original contention of running the play. That isn't running a play.

I bet it wouldn't even work on Madden.

You're quite clearly confused. The rule was that with a situation like the "11 defenders vs. 1" the 11 will almost always win. You've pointed out a small exception to that rule.

And what's more is that the exception to that rule you've pointed out even goes to disprove your overarching point.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Its a jump ball. Some of these kids can out leap Moss straight up, let alone poke the ball away.


If an NFL team ran its offense against a HS team they would score generally at will. But in a scenario where a phenom type athlete just has to leap and punch the ball out of the air they could succeed