The biggest key to the "New England" offense working

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After watching the opening game against Tennessee from last year on Game Rewind (which for $25 is a GREAT deal to be able to watch any game for any team since 2009), the key to the New England offense working is the blocking of the tackles/TE.

Alot of what NE does to wear defenses out is use sweeps. Their TE's and tackles do a great job of sealing the edge to get 7-8 yards at a time. Once the defense is worn down from chasing side to side, they hit them up the middle.

Escobar and Hanna are known for their pass catching not blocking and if somehow we don't get Clabo/Winston, then Free/Parnell have to be strong enough to seal the edge.

The route patterns are very simple. Crosses and stops with the occasional streak. It's just alot of info that the defense has to process and it's the mental and physical pace of the game that gets them to submit. If Julian Edelman can tear defenses apart there's no reason Williams, Austin, etc can't.

It didn't even feel in the first half to me that they ran the ball at all and they showed the stats that Ridley had 9 carries for 58 yards. That's efficiency!
 

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Parcells4Life;5072156 said:
The route patterns are very simple. Crosses and stops with the occasional streak. It's just alot of info that the defense has to process and it's the mental and physical pace of the game that gets them to submit. If Julian Edelman can tear defenses apart there's no reason Williams, Austin, etc can't.

It didn't even feel in the first half to me that they ran the ball at all and they showed the stats that Ridley had 9 carries for 58 yards. That's efficiency!

To me, the PACE is really important. And we all know the problems this team has had with the play clock. The exact opposite of dictating pace to the defense, they let the clock dictate their pace. If they plan on doing anything on offense similar to New England, that has to change drastically.
 

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If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it often and successfully.

New England's offense works because Brady makes very few mistakes.
(I'm from New England.)
 

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EJ Blue;5072161 said:
If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it often and successfully.

New England's offense works because Brady makes very few mistakes.
(I'm from New England.)

Same here.
 

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Probably having a good offensive line that doesn't require a TE to babysit the OL out of necessity helps a bit too.
 

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EJ Blue;5072161 said:
If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it often and successfully.

New England's offense works because Brady makes very few mistakes.
(I'm from New England.)

I'm also from New England, and the reality is it's not that easy to find two premier tight ends first of all.

Second it does have a lot to do with this offensive line, and it had a lot to do with Wes Welker drawing extra coverage.

It's not just Tom Brady. Patriots are about to struggle with their identity this coming year. Especially with those guys dealing with injuries...
 

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Brady can file his nails back there.
It's not remotely comparable to what Romo sees each week.
 

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EJ Blue;5072161 said:
If it was that easy, everyone would be doing it often and successfully.

New England's offense works because Brady makes very few mistakes.
(I'm from New England.)

The key is that Brady is rarely harassed...the offensive line has given Brady the time he needs. He isn't put in bad situations often. If he does, the Pats lose.
 

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Over the last two season Gronk and Hernandez have been injured a lot, how many games have they played together in that time frame?
 

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New England has a lot going for them, many of which are related: a damn near perfect QB, a great OL, other good personnel, great coaching and a system that provides replacement parts as needed.
 

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So we potentially have the Tight-ends now and the QB seems to work the field well about 95% of the time. If we could only get that troublesome o-line squared away......
 

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fanfromvirginia;5072366 said:
New England has a lot going for them, many of which are related: a damn near perfect QB, a great OL, other good personnel, great coaching and a system that provides replacement parts as needed.

Yep.

Continuity, coaching, a great QB, and a long term organizational philosophy can you carry a team long way.

With the Cowboys, I've seen only one of those attributes in the recent past -- good QB play.
 

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Joe Rod;5072373 said:
So we potentially have the Tight-ends now and the QB seems to work the field well about 95% of the time. If we could only get that troublesome o-line squared away......

Potentially is the key word. As I've said multiple times, Hernandez is a 4.6 hybrid type guy that creates matchup issues, thus when in the hurry up, teams can't sub and matchup. Witten isn't exactly quick and Escobar is a 4.84 great pass catcher but in a Witten mold. Not sure if he creates mismatches. I keep reading he is our Hernandez but they aren't close in my book.
 

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perrykemp;5072389 said:
Yep.

Continuity, coaching, a great QB, and a long term organizational philosophy can you carry a team long way.

With the Cowboys, I've seen only one of those attributes in the recent past -- good QB play.
Hope springs eternal but I have to agree. If we were to sign Clabo, we'd at least have a shot at the OL component.
 

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It's been reported that Dallas' offense will more closely resemble Nawlean's offense. Given the QB and the skill positions, I could see that.
 

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It will all be moot when either Chucky or Sean Payton becaome the new head coach next year.
 

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Parcells4Life;5072156 said:
After watching the opening game against Tennessee from last year on Game Rewind (which for $25 is a GREAT deal to be able to watch any game for any team since 2009), the key to the New England offense working is the blocking of the tackles/TE.

Alot of what NE does to wear defenses out is use sweeps. Their TE's and tackles do a great job of sealing the edge to get 7-8 yards at a time. Once the defense is worn down from chasing side to side, they hit them up the middle.

Escobar and Hanna are known for their pass catching not blocking and if somehow we don't get Clabo/Winston, then Free/Parnell have to be strong enough to seal the edge.

The route patterns are very simple. Crosses and stops with the occasional streak. It's just alot of info that the defense has to process and it's the mental and physical pace of the game that gets them to submit. If Julian Edelman can tear defenses apart there's no reason Williams, Austin, etc can't.

It didn't even feel in the first half to me that they ran the ball at all and they showed the stats that Ridley had 9 carries for 58 yards. That's efficiency!

ill give you a hint. He wears #12
 

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snapper;5072418 said:
It's been reported that Dallas' offense will more closely resemble Nawlean's offense. Given the QB and the skill positions, I could see that.

I'm not sure where you read that, given that the saints don't really rely on multiple tight ends in the passing game.
 

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HoustonFrog;5072402 said:
Potentially is the key word. As I've said multiple times, Hernandez is a 4.6 hybrid type guy that creates matchup issues, thus when in the hurry up, teams can't sub and matchup. Witten isn't exactly quick and Escobar is a 4.84 great pass catcher but in a Witten mold. Not sure if he creates mismatches. I keep reading he is our Hernandez but they aren't close in my book.

Again, let me reiterate that it's not all about speed.

Jason Witten's ability to get open isn't about speed. It's about running good routes, being where he is supposed to, and using good technique and body leverage in getting open.

Escobar is much faster than his 40 time on the field, and you can see that when he plays.

He doesn't need to be as fast as Hernandez to beat coverage and catch passes.
 

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Galian Beast;5072447 said:
I'm not sure where you read that, given that the saints don't really rely on multiple tight ends in the passing game.


It was discussed on GAC.

The gist was that Dallas would use their TEs the way NO used Watson and Graham.
 
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