The Bosa Problem

[AzorAhai]

THANK you. LOL at the 'experts' like risen star on here that want to draft this kid. Unreal.

Pretty sure I haven't read @Risen Star want anything other than a QB at 4, mostly Wentz. In fact I don't think he's said much of anything at all about Bosa. I think you're way off base on this jab at him.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Pretty sure I haven't read @Risen Star want anything other than a QB at 4, mostly Wentz. In fact I don't think he's said much of anything at all about Bosa. I think you're way off base on this jab at him.

That's all risen wants in wentz lol. So we can now expect the riot since dallas isnt getting wentz! Lol

 

[Aliencowboy]

He also appears to be a jerk

It's tough to say who is the bigger jerk
Connor Cook or
Bosa

I'm leaning towards Cook based on every time he spoke on TV. The GIF of him ripping the trophy out of the announcers hand sums it up nicely

 

[RandyOh]

THANK you. LOL at the 'experts' like risen star on here that want to draft this kid. Unreal.

What frustrates me is when i see posters say cut Gregory, no to Hardy, no to Rolando McClain, but want Bosa at 4. I'm like he aint much better if u wanting to get rid of head cases on team

 

[manster4ever]

The one elite OT he faced, Conklin from Mich. State, he had 1 tackle in his first 3 years, and finally in his Sr. they moved Bosa away from Conklin's side. He won't be playing against the RT from Akron St. when he gets to the NFL.

Yep. I witnessed every one of those games in person. Conklin ate him alive. The draft "experts" like McShay and Kiper amuse the hell out of me. They have Conklin going in the middle of the first round. McShay has continually said that he "projects to RT and not LT".....lol. Some genius on this board said recently he "didn't like Conklin's feet". Clown statement I didn't even respond to. No basis in fact whatsoever. He's very close in make up to Joe Thomas. A few have had the guts to make that statement but it's true. Physically and mentally gifted in a huge way. Funniest part about this kid is that MSU signed him when no one else even considered him. He was a 0 star walk on. He got to MSU and almost immediately gave the older Dlinemen like William Gholston fits. (WG is a very solid D.End for Tampa now)
Hope to HECK he dosn't got to Philly at 13 like I keep seeing him mocked. He and Johnson would make a great tackle tandem there for years to come...Hope he doesn't go to Philthy obviously.

 

[manster4ever]

It's tough to say who is the bigger jerk
Connor Cook or
Bosa

I'm leaning towards Cook based on every time he spoke on TV. The GIF of him ripping the trophy out of the announcers hand sums it up nicely

NIce troll attempt but it won't work. He was stunned that he received the MVP of the game and wasn't thinking. He IMMEDIATELY apologized to Archie in the post game ON THE FIELD. He also went out of his way to credit his Oline (including Conklin, and said they were the real MVP's)

Michigan and OSU fans sure do hate him for beating them over the last few years though. GREAT kid from a great family. The hatchet job on him has been unprecedented. He didn't have ONE off field issue at MSU, won 34 games and was a model citizen. NFL teams that did their due diligence won't have any problem with him at all. Comparing him to Bosa shows what a complete fool you are. Troll on....

 

[manster4ever]

Just another article in a LONG line of them praising Connor Cook:

http://michiganstate.247sports.com/...-angry-about-Connor-Cook-speculation-44043249

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The one elite OT he faced, Conklin from Mich. State, he had 1 tackle in his first 3 years, and finally in his Sr. they moved Bosa away from Conklin's side. He won't be playing against the RT from Akron St. when he gets to the NFL.

Couple of things.

Bosa only played 3 years.

He was moved all over the line in both 2014 and 2015 and matched up with both tackles. This "moved him away" doesn't make sense from what I watched.

I watched the 2014 game after reading your post thinking that I was going to see Bosa dominated. I saw one blatant hold that wasn't called and a gameful of questionable takedowns where the tackle would get his hands inside and take a dive. I also saw a MSU team that helped Conklin quite a bit with a back shaded to take out the outside move.

Bosa had quite a bit of success getting pressure on inside moves in the second half. He had several pressures including two hits by my count overall. Sure Conklin won some solo matchups but he got swam, bulled and ripped in his own right. In the run game he could get no push solo. The double teams didn't get push but were effective.

 

[CCBoy]

Couple of things.

Bosa only played 3 years.

He was moved all over the line in both 2014 and 2015 and matched up with both tackles. This "moved him away" doesn't make sense from what I watched.

I watched the 2014 game after reading your post thinking that I was going to see Bosa dominated. I saw one blatant hold that wasn't called and a gameful of questionable takedowns where the tackle would get his hands inside and take a dive. I also saw a MSU team that helped Conklin quite a bit with a back shaded to take out the outside move.

Bosa had quite a bit of success getting pressure on inside moves in the second half. He had several pressures including two hits by my count overall. Sure Conklin won some solo matchups but he got swam, bulled and ripped in his own right. In the run game he could get no push solo. The double teams didn't get push but were effective.

Thanks for the film work, Fuzzy...

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And as for the "no upside" idea I would ask people to consider that Bosa didn't redshirt and is coming out as a junior. He is only 20 years old.

Some of the bashes against him are absurd. I don't care if he's already been training eastern method since he was 10, he is a guy you know will work and train hard because he has been doing it his entire life. That doesn't mean he is some mutant that reached his physical peak before 25. This is a good thing.

Somehow him having good handwork is turned into a problem. While he knows how to spin, rip, club, and whatnot, I'm betting Marinelli can help him improve his technique. Again him being a well prepared prospect is a good thing.

 

[Floatyworm]

That's not just a bosa problem though. Depending on who you ask bosas ceiling isn't high enough, the qbs will be gone, you can't take a rb, Ramsey is a better safety than corner, Jack is undersized and doesn't rush the passer, spence has off field issues, dts you can get later on, o line isn't a need, and the list goes on. This isn't a top heavy draft, with a cant miss superstar, but still someone has to go at #4.

ALL GOOD POINTS...And that's why I keep coming back to Shaq Lawson. He steps in for Hardy......without the headaches...

 

[kazzd58]

That's not just a bosa problem though. Depending on who you ask bosas ceiling isn't high enough, the qbs will be gone, you can't take a rb, Ramsey is a better safety than corner, Jack is undersized and doesn't rush the passer, spence has off field issues, dts you can get later on, o line isn't a need, and the list goes on. This isn't a top heavy draft, with a cant miss superstar, but still someone has to go at #4.

if they are true to there board Elliott should be rated higher than Bosa... so at that point its BPA for me at 4 if Ramsey is gone

 

[Aliencowboy]

NIce troll attempt but it won't work. He was stunned that he received the MVP of the game and wasn't thinking. He IMMEDIATELY apologized to Archie in the post game ON THE FIELD. He also went out of his way to credit his Oline (including Conklin, and said they were the real MVP's)

Michigan and OSU fans sure do hate him for beating them over the last few years though. GREAT kid from a great family. The hatchet job on him has been unprecedented. He didn't have ONE off field issue at MSU, won 34 games and was a model citizen. NFL teams that did their due diligence won't have any problem with him at all. Comparing him to Bosa shows what a complete fool you are. Troll on....

Yeah the world is out to get him because he is from Michigan State or maybe just maybe there is something to it. A QB not being a team Captain is really common too especially for a senior. Media is out to get Connor Cook.

You are certainly not a fool or homer. Good luck with this. Nice fish by the way. Get back at it- keep fishing for excuses.

 

[fortdick]

If the cards line up, I want Tunsil. He prolly won't be there, but if he is, I grab him and run.

I know trading back would be smarter, but I love the thought for 5 pro bowlers on the OLine.

 

[MikeT22]

The Ramsey Problem is bigger than the Bosa problem. Ramsey doesn't have a true position. He is a great athlete participating in both indoor and outdoor track at FSU and has the measurables but on the field that only translated to 3 INT's.

I prefer Wentz or Goff, but if we go in another direction I'd take Bosa over Ramsey. I'd take Buckner and Myles Jack over Ramsey. But with some having Ramsey in the top 2 on their boards it would shock me if we are dumb enough to take him at 4.

 

[DallasDomination]

If Bosa is there at #4 you get him. I don't care what his irrelevant 40 time was or if he slipped on a drill with no pads. I don't care what is said. You get a guy like Bosa and don't look back.

 

[CCBoy]

Defensive end is still at the very top of a need list for Dallas. Like it or not, Bosa is still projected, warts and all, as the best prospect for that job description...long termed stability. There's no gauge on a player's heart, and what the real top limits of his own play. That is part of the journey, and investments involved.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Doesn't bosa just look like a bust already

 

[DallasDomination]

Doesn't bosa just look like a bust already

A lot of guys look like busts... Bosa is a youngster that's built like a rock. His neck is bigger than most people's quads. If people think a guy like Gregory can be something special with diet and training then let's not even talk about Bosa. He's only going to get stronger and better.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

A lot of guys look like busts... Bosa is a youngster that's built like a rock. His neck is bigger than most people's quads. If people think a guy like Gregory can be something special with diet and training then let's not even talk about Bosa. He's only going to get stronger and better.

I don't think that's how bodies work. He looks maxed out