The Bosa Problem

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don't think that's how bodies work. He looks maxed out

Athletes peak around 25. Some are earlier and some later but he is still only 20 years old. He is 270 now but he should naturally put on another 15 to 20 lbs as he matures. When he is 25 he'll still be a maxxed out 25 year old because of how he works.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Athletes peak around 25. Some are earlier and some later but he is still only 20 years old. He is 270 now but he should naturally put on another 15 to 20 lbs as he matures. When he is 25 he'll still be a maxxed out 25 year old because of how he works.

You could make the argument his peak could be at a lighter weight. He may be stiff with more weight added. He may even be a great 3-4 OLB. God only knows

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You could make the argument his peak could be at a lighter weight. He may be stiff with more weight added. He may even be a great 3-4 OLB. God only knows

I'm basically saying that his baseline will increase while you are saying he is already at his peak within his current range. My point is that the range changes as a person grows.

Maybe he stops growing at 20 but I doubt it. He isn't going to peak performance wise for several more years at the very least. He will come in and be very effective right away either way.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I'm basically saying that his baseline will increase while you are saying he is already at his peak within his current range. My point is that the range changes as a person grows.

Maybe he stops growing at 20 but I doubt it. He isn't going to peak performance wise for several more years at the very least. He will come in and be very effective right away either way.

Im saying he may not necessarily get stronger as he looks as big as he should be. David Boston got too big for his own good. If bosa packs on much more muscle it may translate to unfunctional strength and hinder his athleticism and bend.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Im saying he may not necessarily get stronger as he looks as big as he should be. David Boston got too big for his own good. If bosa packs on much more muscle it may translate to unfunctional strength and hinder his athleticism and bend.

David Boston plays WR. I've never heard of a DL having this issue youre talking about.

Sure but he is 6-4 270 lbs. 6-4 285 with his hips/shoulders width, and arm/leg length 10 lbs is not a big deal. It's not like he has skinny hips and narrow shoulders. Boston did.

 

[ConceptCoop]

I don't think that's how bodies work. He looks maxed out

At 20?

 

[ConceptCoop]

The kid is 20 until July. He racked up 13.5 sacks in the B1G at 19 years old - more than Watt had in his two years at Wisconsin. Sure, his numbers slipped, but he spent a lot of time at DT and was double teamed as often as anyone in the country.

Maybe he was overrated at one point - but the kid is still a damn good prospect with plenty of upside.

 

[Hardline]

The more I see players in the draft projected in the top 4 discussed and debated in this forum the more I want to trade back. I think this years draft is where you want quantity over quality because the quality is really not there. The Cowboys had to tank in a season with a weak draft. No elite QBs or pass rushers to be had.

 

[ConceptCoop]

The more I see players in the draft projected in the top 4 discussed and debated in this forum the more I want to trade back. I think this years draft is where you want quantity over quality because the quality is really not there. The Cowboys had to tank in a season with a weak draft. No elite QBs or pass rushers to be had.

I doubt there will be much of a market for the pick. Especially teams don't view us as a threat to nab one of the QBs.

If a team falls in love with a QB, they'll likely move up to 3, rather than gambling on us. If they don't, I don't see many guys teams will be wanting to move up for; especially in a draft with so much 2nd and 3rd tier talent. Unless we're getting a mid-2nd to move back, I think it's best to do our homework and pick our guy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The more I see players in the draft projected in the top 4 discussed and debated in this forum the more I want to trade back. I think this years draft is where you want quantity over quality because the quality is really not there. The Cowboys had to tank in a season with a weak draft. No elite QBs or pass rushers to be had.

Ramsey is significantly better than Hargreaves. His awareness, skillset and athleticism are better.

Bosa is significantly more athletic than Lawson and especially Buckner. The criticism about Bosa's supposed lack of burst should be applied to Lawson coming off the line pre injury.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

At 20?

He's a beefy boy any more weight and it may affect his overall athleticism

 

[snapper]

He's a beefy boy any more weight and it may affect his overall athleticism

Did you just call him fat?

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Did you just call him fat?

No I'm saying he's very big already. His optimal playing weight may not be 285, 295 etc. as it may effect how he moves and his cardio. To me he looks maxed out in his size already. His ceiling isn't as high as buckner imo

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No I'm saying he's very big already. His optimal playing weight may not be 285, 295 etc. as it may effect how he moves and his cardio. To me he looks maxed out in his size already. His ceiling isn't as high as buckner imo

He's big in the upper body sure but he is still lean in the bubble.

His optimal playing weight might be 285. I don't know why you are so fearful of a 20 year old growing. Seems like you are trying to talk yourself out of the prospect.

When I see him he looks like someone that already knows how to eat and train at the highest level. I don't see how that is a bad thing. He will likely continue eating and training well as he grows.

 

[CCBoy]

He's big in the upper body sure but he is still lean in the bubble.

His optimal playing weight might be 285. I don't know why you are so fearful of a 20 year old growing. Seems like you are trying to talk yourself out of the prospect.

When I see him he looks like someone that already knows how to eat and train at the highest level. I don't see how that is a bad thing. He will likely continue eating and training well as he grows.

It took Lawrence a year in the Dallas workout programs to reach a stronger NFL level. Bosa would be effective from the start, but probably require a similar transition period to be a balanced pair.

The motivations for Gregory would be high then...add a quality free agent, and that changes the whole neighborhood.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It took Lawrence a year in the Dallas workout programs to reach a stronger NFL level. Bosa would be effective from the start, but probably require a similar transition period to be a balanced pair.

The motivations for Gregory would be high then...add a quality free agent, and that changes the whole neighborhood.

He is easily the most NFL ready prospect in the draft.

 

[Fredd]

I have been on the Bosa bandwagon since the start as I don't see a QB worth taking @ #4 (we aren't desperate)...I like Wentz of the QB's, but can't imagine he is there...have been on taking bosa


but, the more I take some time to look at players, the more I like either Elliott or Ramsey...I believe these two to be far and away above others at their respective positions (safety for ramsey)...tough to take either @ #4...so, I would LOVE to see us pick up something in a small trade down (perhaps to SF if only Wentz is gone - they will want a QB) and then take one of these guys

of course, once I actually review everything in the next two weeks, my opinion may change again

 

[RS12]

Ramsey is significantly better than Hargreaves. His awareness, skillset and athleticism are better.

Bosa is significantly more athletic than Lawson and especially Buckner. The criticism about Bosa's supposed lack of burst should be applied to Lawson coming off the line pre injury.

I dont want Hargreaves at 4 but he has the best footwork for a CB in the draft. That is a component that is critical for the position.

 

[K-DOGG]

I am passing on Bosa! He will be a solid player, but you want more than a average player with the 4th pick in the NFL Draft. I would actually trade down if possible and add a few more picks to fortify the D and add a RB and a QB! Three are a lot of DL talent available in this draft! The Boys should be loading up on some!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I dont want Hargreaves at 4 but he has the best footwork for a CB in the draft. That is a component that is critical for the position.

I just watched TN and AL games and I have no idea what you are talking about. He has excellent short area quickness but his stop start change of direction leaves him exposed to comebacks and similar routes. He is slow to react.

He is small and his press ineffective against bigger receivers. He is willing to stick his nose in there but far too often tries to cut instead of tackle. His run defense is atrocious; I often just seem him surrender to a WR block.

His ball skills leave a lot to be desired. He doesn't look for the ball. He struggles to find the ball in the air downfield. He doesn't high point.