The bottom line with Garrett and these WRs

NoLuv4Jerry

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Jerry is not a football guy, he may want us to think that, but he is not.

SOMEONE gives him advice....and he pays them good money for it.

SOMEONE convinced him this team would be fine without TO. And I admit I had no problems with removing TO, but when you do that, as a FAN I assume you have a plan of how you are going to score points. I am pretty sure Jerry ALSO assumed the brainstrust on this team had a PLAN on how they were going to score points.

These WRs are ALL the same. They are ALL big guys with average speed. What one does BEST is what ALL of them do best. These guys are not precise route runners. They run the types of routes that suit BIG WRs. Slants, crosses, flys....things where they are on the move when the ball comes there way....and more importantly, plays where they can see the BALL THE WHOLE WAY.

These routes that involve timing, that involve them turning their back to the QB, that involve Romo throwing to spots...THESE GUYS CANNOT DO IT.

And to be quite honest, a QB cannot get comfortable running these kinds of routes with MULTIPLE guys. It takes hours of countless reps to develop a rapport with one guy like Aikman did with Irvin. They could run plays blindfolded. Well that worked for Aikman and Irvin. And truthfully, Aikman was NEVER the same once Irvin went down. Aikman had a safety valve in Novacek..and a throw it long guy in Harper. Heck the slant play to Harper against SF in the 92 playoff game was a play Troy had admitted he did not want to throw to Harper because he did not trust Harper would cross the face of the safety...but he had not choice but to give him a chance...it won us a Super Bowl and made Harper a lot of money.

But these routes we run are not good for these guys because they do not have a diversified skill set and they all lack speed. They do not breakdown well, they do not come out of breaks crisp and clean....and they do NOT have good field awareness.

Romo must be pulling his hair out because he has to take the blame REGARDLESS of how plays turn out, but his o-coordinator and WRs are not helping him out. He sees the entire defense, expects guys to sit down in zones, turn out or in, keep running....these are the things pocket passers do. But this vagabond group of WRs just don't have a feel for the passing game we are running.

And quite honestly TO was never a good route runner...he was like the guys we have, just faster....he is big and fast...hit him on the move, let him break tackles and run away from people.

So the real question is, WHO convinced Jerry we needed to trade for Roy and give up that many draft picks and money. Who convinced Jerry TO needed to be cut and Roy could step into that role. Or did Jerry say, look I paid a lot for Roy, and I am going to look bad if Roy does not put up the kinds of numbers to justify what was spent on him?

Lastly, I wonder if the same people that convinced Jerry to get rid of TO were the same people that convinced Jerry that Brad Johnson was a comptetent QB. Brad Johnson was the most dissapointed person on Earth when Romo got hurt....because he KNEW he would be exposed and that he would never hold a clipboard again. He has not had ONE phone call to ever pick up a football again....yet our braintrust thought he could still play?

This is what should concern ALL of us. Peyton Manning is throwing to guys we have never heard of week after week. And of course Peyton is better than Tony....but are these no name WRs that much better than ours?

Sorry so long...but I refuse to believe our talent on offense is this bad...I think they offensive braintrust (that means the Garrett family) has hypnotized Jerry. And he is so deep financially with them and the players they asked for, that we all might need to adjust expectations..because this will not get fixed this year.
 

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Our best route runner doesn't even dress out on Sundays. (Ogletree) I'm on board with you all the way about these WRs. Prime example is Austin on that pick - if MA runs out to the sideline he makes the grab what the hell was he doing on that route?

Tony can tell any WR where they need to be on ANY given play - he knows the playbook like the back of his hand. But these WRs don't know their routes and it almost looks like they just decide to run wherever they see fit at times.

We need to get Tony in a WCO quick or at least get a legit #1 WR with experience in this timing bull crap O.
 

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The irony is that coach Sherman is hailed as an excellent receivers coach, but the guys run the wrong routes and don't seem to be on the same page with Romo. We should be 4-0 right now. It is killing me.
 

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It's not the wide recievers fault if he is open and the ball is 5 feet over his head.


T.O. said it best. We have a T.R. problem.


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Boyzmamacita;2992496 said:
The irony is that coach Sherman is hailed as an excellent receivers coach, but the guys run the wrong routes and don't seem to be on the same page with Romo. We should be 4-0 right now. It is killing me.

Sherman seems to be a care-taker type, more suited coaching vets than younger guys who need to be developed.
He does appear to fit the marshmellow philosophy employed by our dear head coach though, so I am sure he will stick around.
 

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Is this another "why didn't we keep TO" thread ?

Manning does not have no name guys catching in Indy. He just doesn't have prima donnas.

TO is not the player he was, but he still is a vital player to any team. Problem with guys like him or Randy Moss, is that they quit on their teams/QBs.

Romo is a good QB, he has to utilize his weapons better. Unfortunately Jones and Barber are his best linemen at this point.
 

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And to be quite honest, a QB cannot get comfortable running these kinds of routes with MULTIPLE guys. It takes hours of countless reps to develop a rapport with one guy like Aikman did with Irvin. They could run plays blindfolded. Well that worked for Aikman and Irvin. And truthfully, Aikman was NEVER the same once Irvin went down. Aikman had a safety valve in Novacek..and a throw it long guy in Harper. Heck the slant play to Harper against SF in the 92 playoff game was a play Troy had admitted he did not want to throw to Harper because he did not trust Harper would cross the face of the safety...but he had not choice but to give him a chance...it won us a Super Bowl and made Harper a lot of money..

What's also funny about that play is that Harper and Irvin switched positions before that play. LOL. Actually TOLD Harper he was taking his route while Harper had to take Irvin's route. Which was that slant that won the game for them...

Yes, these WR's WERE average before the Denver game. Now, they are just Wr's. Nothing special. None of them. I would play the young guys more. There is your speed. And god forbid, Why on earth was the "SO CALLED #1 WR" on the SIDELINES on 4th and 2 at the 2? Huh? Someone please explain this crap. I don't care if the guy can barely move, which didn't look like the case. He NEEDS to be out there.

#11 (he has no name any longer, heartless puke) standing on the sidelines, breathing heavy. Standing on the sidelines while they lose. Unbelievable. I am sure there will be some spin as to why he wasn't out there. Turf toe or some other "major" injury. I can't understand it.

I can't understand this team any more. Year after year, it's the same heartless efforts. I hope one day they find "IT". Whatever that may be, but, they have to find it.

Here's to another long week and a long Monday.:mad:
 

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Bluestang;2992485 said:
Tony can tell any WR where they need to be on ANY given play - he knows the playbook like the back of his hand. But these WRs don't know their routes and it almost looks like they just decide to run wherever they see fit at times.

I am not so sure about that anymore.

It was said that Romo is a hard worker. But i don't live with him so i can't tell if it's true. We all judge the players by what we read about them. by what others tell us about them. And those others often heard it from others.

So because i don't know exactly who Romo really is i judge only be watching him. And therefore i am very careful with my opinion about him - in both ways (bad or good).

Since last year there are alot of missed routes by WRs. It's never been questioned that Romo made a bad read or didn't know the play. It was always totally clear that the WR made the mistake.

For the last months i believed that. But today i question it.

OK one WR messes up. That can be his fault. Roy Williams seemed to have probs last year. But then Witten also messed up. Given, he told everybody that it was his fault (wrong route against pittsburgh). But today i question that because he may wanted to protect his quaterback who was already under preassure that year.

But this year still Roy doesn't know his routes ? Miles Austion too ? And Bennett on a regular basis ? Then the Runnibacks too ? I just can't imagine. So many different players and all don't know what to do on the field ?

On the other hand they have all one "thing" in common: They all have the same player who should deliver the ball to them. Maybe it's that simple that he doesn't know ?!
 

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Wonder if Sherman will become this season's scapegoat, what with Jessica and You Know Who are gone.

speaking of.... did anybody at the game see the Jessica Simpson thing on their video board? Way to stay classy Denver.
 

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EPL0c0;2992601 said:
Wonder if Sherman will become this season's scapegoat, what with Jessica and You Know Who are gone.

speaking of.... did anybody at the game see the Jessica Simpson thing on their video board? Way to stay classy Denver.

Oh well, hell, THAT is why they lost!!!! That darn Jessica!!! :lmao2:
 

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Bluestang thanks so much I've been saying that Ogletree is probably our #1 Receiver. I'm telling you he probably could develop into a #1 Wideout if given the opportunity. Hes a Torry Holt in his early years. They are trying to force Roy Williams to be a #1 and hes not. Hes a #2 Wideout at best.
 

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short version.

1. red genius is a fraud as we all know totally inept and unqualified

2. romo had a terrible game his second of 4 (and 4 of his last 6 going back to last season)

3. our WRs are stupid but stupid is as stupid does. Jason & romo are stupider in simple football english. and then comes king of football stupid.....

4. won't even waste keystrokes on dysfunctional jerry


bbailey423;2992441 said:
Jerry is not a football guy, he may want us to think that, but he is not.

SOMEONE gives him advice....and he pays them good money for it.

SOMEONE convinced him this team would be fine without TO. And I admit I had no problems with removing TO, but when you do that, as a FAN I assume you have a plan of how you are going to score points. I am pretty sure Jerry ALSO assumed the brainstrust on this team had a PLAN on how they were going to score points.

These WRs are ALL the same. They are ALL big guys with average speed. What one does BEST is what ALL of them do best. These guys are not precise route runners. They run the types of routes that suit BIG WRs. Slants, crosses, flys....things where they are on the move when the ball comes there way....and more importantly, plays where they can see the BALL THE WHOLE WAY.

These routes that involve timing, that involve them turning their back to the QB, that involve Romo throwing to spots...THESE GUYS CANNOT DO IT.

And to be quite honest, a QB cannot get comfortable running these kinds of routes with MULTIPLE guys. It takes hours of countless reps to develop a rapport with one guy like Aikman did with Irvin. They could run plays blindfolded. Well that worked for Aikman and Irvin. And truthfully, Aikman was NEVER the same once Irvin went down. Aikman had a safety valve in Novacek..and a throw it long guy in Harper. Heck the slant play to Harper against SF in the 92 playoff game was a play Troy had admitted he did not want to throw to Harper because he did not trust Harper would cross the face of the safety...but he had not choice but to give him a chance...it won us a Super Bowl and made Harper a lot of money.

But these routes we run are not good for these guys because they do not have a diversified skill set and they all lack speed. They do not breakdown well, they do not come out of breaks crisp and clean....and they do NOT have good field awareness.

Romo must be pulling his hair out because he has to take the blame REGARDLESS of how plays turn out, but his o-coordinator and WRs are not helping him out. He sees the entire defense, expects guys to sit down in zones, turn out or in, keep running....these are the things pocket passers do. But this vagabond group of WRs just don't have a feel for the passing game we are running.

And quite honestly TO was never a good route runner...he was like the guys we have, just faster....he is big and fast...hit him on the move, let him break tackles and run away from people.

So the real question is, WHO convinced Jerry we needed to trade for Roy and give up that many draft picks and money. Who convinced Jerry TO needed to be cut and Roy could step into that role. Or did Jerry say, look I paid a lot for Roy, and I am going to look bad if Roy does not put up the kinds of numbers to justify what was spent on him?

Lastly, I wonder if the same people that convinced Jerry to get rid of TO were the same people that convinced Jerry that Brad Johnson was a comptetent QB. Brad Johnson was the most dissapointed person on Earth when Romo got hurt....because he KNEW he would be exposed and that he would never hold a clipboard again. He has not had ONE phone call to ever pick up a football again....yet our braintrust thought he could still play?

This is what should concern ALL of us. Peyton Manning is throwing to guys we have never heard of week after week. And of course Peyton is better than Tony....but are these no name WRs that much better than ours?

Sorry so long...but I refuse to believe our talent on offense is this bad...I think they offensive braintrust (that means the Garrett family) has hypnotized Jerry. And he is so deep financially with them and the players they asked for, that we all might need to adjust expectations..because this will not get fixed this year.
 

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garyv;2992607 said:
Bluestang thanks so much I've been saying that Ogletree is probably our #1 Receiver. I'm telling you he probably could develop into a #1 Wideout if given the opportunity. Hes a Torry Holt in his early years. They are trying to force Roy Williams to be a #1 and hes not. Hes a #2 Wideout at best.
someone in this organization needs to show the guts to play Ogletree....they are going to have to sit Hurd or Austin...which is fine because only one of them will be back next year....so decide who you want and let the other one rot....but get Ogletree on the field.
 

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Hook'em#11;2992606 said:
Oh well, hell, THAT is why they lost!!!! That darn Jessica!!! :lmao2:
it was actually *VERY* funny. It started as a "photoshoot" for their mascot in a speedo and such, then jessica wanders onto the set, etc calling out for "Tony!? Tony?!"
 

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lcharles;2992498 said:
It's not the wide recievers fault if he is open and the ball is 5 feet over his head.


T.O. said it best. We have a T.R. problem.


:mad:

It is the WRs fault when they are suppose to run and out, but dont and Romo gets intercepted in the Red Zone by Champ Bailey.

I think bbailey43 makes some really valid points. Our WRs except RW, are all inexperienced and inconsistent.
 

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The WRs are what I thought they were. JAGS
 

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RS12;2992888 said:
The WRs are what I thought they were. JAGS
I hear you....but you and I are just fans. SURELY this organiation knew what these guys could and could not do. SURLEY this organization knew how teams would defend us. It looks like we have been caught with our pants down with this group..and that is the part I do not understand. You cut TO. Fine. You bring NO ONE ELSE IN. Fine! I ASSUME it is because you knew how to deploy this group effectivley. Again, is this groupe WORSE than the group in New Orleans? WORSE than the group in Indy (that is missing Harrison and Gonzalez)? Either the system we are running does not suit this group well....or these players just suck. Either way, I question our braintrust.
 

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lcharles;2992498 said:
It's not the wide recievers fault if he is open and the ball is 5 feet over his head.


T.O. said it best. We have a T.R. problem.


:mad:


WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Man, some of you guys are hilarious. Lets blame it all on the WR's. Roy can't do this, Ogletree can do that, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

That's right, it's Roy's fault that he almost got his ribs broken because HE threw the ball to himself 5 feet over his head and HE lead himslef into the oncoming LB. Oh, that's right, it's Crayton's fault that he did the same thing as Roy and Dawkins almost decapitated him. That's right, it's Roy's fault again when he throws himself a pass on a drag route in which he has CLEARLY BEATEN Bailey on the play 2 feet behind him (very similar to the play in the Giants game when Witten threw himself a drag route that ended up bouncing off his foot straight to Kenny Phillips).

I could go on and on. A lot of you need to get your heads out your butts and realize that ROMO is not getting it done right now. If you think I'm wrong, then tell me how many dropped passes you can recall so far this year OTHER THAN the TD Roy admitted he dropped? You can't drop that which is uncatchable.
 

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Terrell Ownes was calling out Garrett ALL THE TIME, not Tony Romo. He only pointed a finger really at Romo when he was released and he thought that Romo may have had a hand in it. If anybody were at odds with each other, it was Garrett and TO...
 
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