The case against Chip Kelly as head coach

[erod]

For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care. Forget the myriad of sleezy recruiting tactics he's known for.

What makes him a good NFL coaching candidate? Nobody from college has had success at the NFL level since Jimmy (Pete Carroll was in the NFL for many years before his stint at USC). College isn't a good place to even look unless you pick a very specific type of football mind.

How would Urban Meyer even translate?

He's the prime definition of the RPO offense. It's all he's ever run. It requires the likes of JT Barrett and Tim Tebow to run it, and Dak hardly looks the part for such an offense. Even Alex Smith was pretty much a runner in college under Meyer.

This smells of Chip Kelly allure.

We saw Kelly bring an even more creative version of that offense to the NFL, and it fell SPLAT in the NFL. Despite accolades from everywhere, that was a crash-and-burn of epic proportions. To this day, analysts like Cris Collinsworth and Jon Gruden (at the time) are embarrassed about how they went gooey over Chip and the "new NFL offense of the future."

Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy, or did he just out-recruit the pants off of everybody and run up gaudy numbers against far lesser players?

The same goes for Chris Peterson and that nonsense offense.

The ONLY college guy I would even consider is Lincoln Riley because he focuses on the run game first and utilizes his QB under center a ton. His is an NFL style offense with fresh passing ideas mixed in and a deep passing game.

For what it's worth, Riley toyed with Meyer in Columbus the last time they met.

But I don't think either of them are the right guy. Jerry needs to go NFL first, and big names at that. I start with Bill Belichick, Mike Zimmer, Sean Payton, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, etc. Shoot for the moon in the dark of the night, then look for quality assistant coach candidates in the NFL after that.

Just don't fall for Chip Kelly, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino Nick Saban, etc.

 

[dragon_mikal]

He’s Chip Kelly.

There. Boom.

 

[Diehardblues]

For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care. Forget the myriad of sleezy recruiting tactics he's known for.

What makes him a good NFL coaching candidate? Nobody from college has had success at the NFL level since Jimmy (Pete Carroll was in the NFL for many years before his stint at USC). College isn't a good place to even look unless you pick a very specific type of football mind.

How would Urban Meyer even translate?

He's the prime definition of the RPO offense. It's all he's ever run. It requires the likes of JT Barrett and Tim Tebow to run it, and Dak hardly looks the part for such an offense. Even Alex Smith was pretty much a runner in college under Meyer.

This smells of Chip Kelly allure.

We saw Kelly bring an even more creative version of that offense to the NFL, and it fell SPLAT in the NFL. Despite accolades from everywhere, that was a crash-and-burn of epic proportions. To this day, analysts like Cris Collinsworth and Jon Gruden (at the time) are embarrassed about how they went gooey over Chip and the "new NFL offense of the future."

Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy, or did he just out-recruit the pants off of everybody and run up gaudy numbers against far lesser players?

The same goes for Chris Peterson and that nonsense offense.

The ONLY college guy I would even consider is Lincoln Riley because he focuses on the run game first and utilizes his QB under center a ton. His is an NFL style offense with fresh passing ideas mixed in and a deep passing game.

For what it's worth, Riley toyed with Meyer in Columbus the last time they met.

But I don't think either of them are the right guy. Jerry needs to go NFL first, and big names at that. I start with Bill Belichick, Mike Zimmer, Sean Payton, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, etc. Shoot for the moon in the dark of the night, then look for quality assistant coach candidates in the NFL after that.

Just don't fall for Chip Kelly, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino Nick Saban, etc.

Art Briles is sitting out in Vernon waiting on a call. I don’t expect him at the game with us

 

[erod]

Art Briles is sitting out there waiting on a call.

Hey, you shut the $%^& up!!

 

[SoBlue128]

For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care. Forget the myriad of sleezy recruiting tactics he's known for.

What makes him a good NFL coaching candidate? Nobody from college has had success at the NFL level since Jimmy (Pete Carroll was in the NFL for many years before his stint at USC). College isn't a good place to even look unless you pick a very specific type of football mind.

How would Urban Meyer even translate?

He's the prime definition of the RPO offense. It's all he's ever run. It requires the likes of JT Barrett and Tim Tebow to run it, and Dak hardly looks the part for such an offense. Even Alex Smith was pretty much a runner in college under Meyer.

This smells of Chip Kelly allure.

We saw Kelly bring an even more creative version of that offense to the NFL, and it fell SPLAT in the NFL. Despite accolades from everywhere, that was a crash-and-burn of epic proportions. To this day, analysts like Cris Collinsworth and Jon Gruden (at the time) are embarrassed about how they went gooey over Chip and the "new NFL offense of the future."

Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy, or did he just out-recruit the pants off of everybody and run up gaudy numbers against far lesser players?

The same goes for Chris Peterson and that nonsense offense.

The ONLY college guy I would even consider is Lincoln Riley because he focuses on the run game first and utilizes his QB under center a ton. His is an NFL style offense with fresh passing ideas mixed in and a deep passing game.

For what it's worth, Riley toyed with Meyer in Columbus the last time they met.

But I don't think either of them are the right guy. Jerry needs to go NFL first, and big names at that. I start with Bill Belichick, Mike Zimmer, Sean Payton, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, etc. Shoot for the moon in the dark of the night, then look for quality assistant coach candidates in the NFL after that.

Just don't fall for Chip Kelly, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino Nick Saban, etc.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Oh common. He resigned for reasons of well documented personal health issues. The PC witch hunt at OSU was absurd. It is not the job of a head football coach to get involved in the private lives of his staff, particularly in a domestic dispute. If a crime is committed, the police should handle it b/c that is THEIR job. This notion that everyone is responsible for the personal conduct of other people is a societal disease.

 

[Hoofbite]

Is there a case for Chip Kelly?

Based on OP, there's more than enough to not like Urban Meyer just for being Urban Meyer. No need to conflate one crappy coach with somebody else. Just call it like it is.

 

[Richmond Cowboy]

ABG

 

[atlantacowboy]

The analogy to chip kelly is absurd. Urban Myer has succeeded at every level of college football is more akin to Jimmy Johnson than Chip Kelly.

 

[Parcells4Life]

I don’t know anyone who thinks Robert Saleh is a better coach than Riley and Meyer. Saleh’s defense was trash before Bosa came along this year. He’s not an X’s and O’s genius. He’s a product of his personnel.

 

[erod]

The analogy to chip kelly is absurd. Urban Myer has succeeded at every level of college football is more akin to Jimmy Johnson than Chip Kelly.

What about his offense translates to the NFL?

In fact, Chip's offense translates better than Meyer's, and we saw how that turned out.

 

[cowboyec]

yeah....why go for a guy who won at Bowling Green....won at Utah....won 2 national titles at Florida and a 3rd at Ohio St...made each program better than when he inherited them and won with a variety of QBs.

you can blame Urban for Aaron Hernandez killing people.....I blame Aaron Hernandez.
you can blame Urban for his asst coach allegedly committing DV.....I blame the asst coach.

187-32.
12-3 in bowl games.
3 National Titles.
yeah......why would we want that.

Im hiring Urban Meyer to be Head Coach...not Team Chaplin.

THE URBAN LEGEND

 

[erod]

I don’t know anyone who thinks Robert Saleh is a better coach than Riley and Meyer. Saleh’s defense was trash before Bosa came along this year. He’s not an X’s and O’s genius. He’s a product of his personnel.

I can agree with that.

I still want an NFL coach.

 

[khiladi]

Every big name college program sleazily recruits.. every now and then, there is a token fall guy.

Pete Carroll is top 3 coach in this league.

 

[Creeper]

I am curious about Robert Saleh, but I wonder if he is just the flavor of the month? His defense certainly plays well, but that defense is more an argument for building a strong defensive line than anything else. Can anyone ever remember a team with a dominant defensive line that did not have a winning record? Add a competent offense, which the Cowboys have and I think you can get deep into the playoffs.

 

[erod]

yeah....why go for a guy who won at Bowling Green....won at Utah....won 2 national titles at Florida and a 3rd at Ohio St...made each program better than when he inherited them and won with a variety of QBs.

you can blame Urban for Aaron Hernandez killing people.....I blame Aaron Hernandez.
you can blame Urban for his asst coach allegedly committing DV.....I blame the asst coach.

187-32.
12-3 in bowl games.
3 National Titles.
yeah......why would we want that.

Im hiring Urban Meyer to be Head Coach...not Team Chaplin.

THE URBAN LEGEND

Name one great NFL quarterback he's produced.

Remember, Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier failed brutally in the NFL.

 

[atlantacowboy]

What about his offense translates to the NFL?

In fact, Chip's offense translates better than Meyer's, and we saw how that turned out.

Chip Kellys offense is nothing like Urban Myers. Myers offense is more pro style. Chips offense was a constant 2 minute drill that left his defense gassed. The 2 could not be more different.

 

[John813]

Chip Kelly tried to reinvent the offensive mindset in the NFL. Uptempo and hurry up offense.
Wore out his defense and his GM skills rivaled Jerry Jones.

Urban Meyer for what I know of, just ran the spread a lot in college.

 

[cowboyec]

Name one great NFL quarterback he's produced.

Remember, Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier failed brutally in the NFL.

name one game an Urban Meyer team lost becsuse of Urban Meyer?
remember Dave Campo,Wade Phillips,Jason Garrett?

 

[atlantacowboy]

Name one great NFL quarterback he's produced.

Remember, Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier failed brutally in the NFL.

Nick Saban left b/c he quickly realized he had no shot without a QB. He preferred the idea of recruiting one which is why he went back to college where a team's short comings could be addressed immediately. He had no patience for losing.