The case for Mike McCoy as OC
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xwalker
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It is really 2 years, 23M if he is not better in 2023...
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Same, and he's got a pretty good track record.
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Sadly, that sounds about right. Jerry Jones doesn't use logic.
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Garrett and Linehan are basically from the same timing-based offense tree, so their philosophies kind of melded. That's one of the reasons Linehan was brought in, because he essentially ran the same scheme and could blend his ideas with what Garrett wanted and was doing. Moore learned in that environment.
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Exactly, and teams know that's what we do. The nice things about Mike McCoy is, similar to what Mike McCarthy likes to do with the WCO, it can be hard to pin point the style used with how varied the WCO can be.
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Can he guarantee we don’t play the niners with zeke as our main back? That is the only thing wrong with the offense.
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I'd imagine we'd be drafting a RB somewhere in the draft. We have to. Even if we bring back Pollard, we need more options.
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His offenses were wildly criticized in Arizona and Denver.
He may be best suited as a QB Coach.
I wouldn't say he has been on any real innovative staffs or has any true selling points.
He has adjusted schemes to the talent so doesn't have any real identifiable offense.
The stuff Kellen Moore does pre-snap is cutting edge compared to much of what McCoy has called.
All that said he does have experience and did help Trevor Lawrence take major strides, the 2nd half of the season.
Part of that may be he has been known to call some complex offenses with lots of plays.
I def expect him to get OC interviews.
McCoy has statistically been well behind Moore.
He may be best suited as a QB Coach.
I wouldn't say he has been on any real innovative staffs or has any true selling points.
He has adjusted schemes to the talent so doesn't have any real identifiable offense.
The stuff Kellen Moore does pre-snap is cutting edge compared to much of what McCoy has called.
All that said he does have experience and did help Trevor Lawrence take major strides, the 2nd half of the season.
Part of that may be he has been known to call some complex offenses with lots of plays.
I def expect him to get OC interviews.
McCoy has statistically been well behind Moore.
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We've already got an OC that extracted the most you can get out of this extremely limited QB. The OC is not the problem. The obvious thing is the problem.
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Problem is, we only had one good receiver and a few tight ends to rely on. Dak isn't elite, and nobody is saying he is. However, he is a better QB than he gets credit for being at the same time. Plus, Kellen Moore runs a different style of offense compared to what Mike McCarthy traditionally likes to run as McCarthy runs more of a WCO. So, I think trying Dak in that system would be more beneficial. Mike McCoy runs that style. We have to play Dak for at least one more season, maybe two more. So, why not try a different offense? We've been running the same one for a long time, and teams know what we are going to run.
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That may be, but he would have new ideas for our team, which would help. Plus, I'll counter by saying he didn't exactly have great QBs until his last season in Denver before going to San Diego. I mean, let's face it. He had Jay Cutler, Kyle Orton, and Tim Tebow. That's not a great setup. His last season there before going to the Chargers was the first season they had Peyton Manning, and he did well enough to get a HC job. The job he did with the Chargers was, overall, pretty solid considering that the Chargers owner is worse than ours.
As for his offense in 2018 with the Cardinals, he had Josh Rosen, who is a clear bust to where they traded him after his rookie season. So, I'm not put off by the criticism in those stops. He'd have a much better QB than those in Dak here, and he's been excellent with Trevor Lawrence. He also was excellent with Phillip Rivers. So, if you give him a competent QB, which Dak is, then he can take our offense to a new level that Moore cannot do.
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Exactly, it's funny how Dak gets the blame for a lot of this despite 1. The offense consisting of about 50 curl routes a game and 2. Bounces deflecting off the receivers cuz they forgot how to catch. A lot of defence is dependent on understanding the offense and reacting to it. If a defence knows the offense you're going to run, then they can shut it down. Hence why we tend to have no receiver open as teams know where the WRs are going. Furthermore, curl routes are routes that depend on the timing of the QB and WR. If a DB knows it's coming, then all he has to do is step in front, and he's got an interception. The problem is, Moore calls a ton of those, and it's usually pretty clear when he's going to use them. As for the balls bouncing off the hands, that's on the receivers, not Dak. That's a case of the receivers not doing their basic function of catching the ball.
I think Mike McCoy can fix the first two problems, and he might know a better WR coach to teach better catching techniques.