The CBs we have are just fine

[StarBoyz83]

How so? Because with Smith and Gregory they will be better than Quinn. He didn't know how to play run defense at all.

I don't expect anything from those 2 guys

 

[aikemirv]

I like Jordan Lewis in the slot. I am a big fan. He has yet to really get any time outside so to say I am confident with him there is a stretch. I am not confident with Brown outside.

I hope Lewis proves me right that he deserved to be on the field more because when he is there he makes plays.

 

[KingintheNorth]

The OP's take is as wrong a take as I've ever seen.

Impressive accomplishment.

 

[nightrain]

I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.

They weren't fine last year and that was with Jones. That unit is in trouble if the pass rush does not improve dramatically.

 

[817Gill]

#LegionOfBoom and #KR hate?

we have Linguist and Harris coaching the DBs now.

enjoy.

It’s not up to your CB coaches to make a solid secondary, it’s mostly dependent on the overall scheme. The DC has much more to say than a position coach.

 

[doomsday9084]

The defense in general was set up to fail with the vanilla scheme. Opposing teams knew where everyone was going to be and had opportunities to scheme for it. The whole bend but don't break philosophy inherently makes individual defenders look bad (particularly DB's) because they almost let the other team catch the ball.

A more varied scheme is going to make the defense look better. There will be some long plays given up and embarrassing touchdowns but hopefully the days of 7 yard completion, 5 yard run, 8 yard completion, etc. as the other team marches down the field are over.

Still need a better defensive backfield but I kind of agree with the OP that the current guys will look better being away from Marinelli and Richard.

 

[Aven8]

I agree with the OP that Richard screwed these guys up. All of them had upside and should have been improving and they all regressed. Brown and Awuzie didn’t even look like the same players. Glad he’s gone.

 

[RS12]

Do not agree with this premise. I feel the team needs help at every level of the defensive. Regardless, your secondary is normally no better than your pass rush which right now is a lot of question marks on old legs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I'm not concerned with corners as everyone else. I don't think they will be worse than they were last year. That being said....I still want one in this 2nd round. But how "bad" they are from the media is because they don't know them.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I agree with the OP that Richard screwed these guys up. All of them had upside and should have been improving and they all regressed. Brown and Awuzie didn’t even look like the same players. Glad he’s gone.

We say that but it seems like Chido is the only one who got worse. Anthony Brown and Byron I'd say got better. I don't know Jourdan.

 

[Hennessy_King]

He gave up pretty much nothing every game all year. He averaged something like 30 yards allowed per game and QBs were generally awful throwing at him. I mean yes 30 is not 0, but that is why he is top 10 and not top 1 and even the top 5 CBs still give up yards.

This is bad info. QBs actually had an 87 qb rating when throwing at him. He wasn't thrown at alot because well you had chido on the other side as well as x woods and jeff heath in coverage. He also never followed the best wr on the other team. His instincts were trash as well

 

[ICP]

I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.

And just what sir, have you been smoking!?!? Lol, everyone is entitled to their opinion and honestly I respect yours but couldn't disagree more.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I don't know if I'd say they're just fine. However, I wonder where Awuzie and Lewis would've compared to this year's CB crop, especially the CBs still available in the 2nd round. I'd imagine they'd be two of the top CBs available right now, and fans would be stoked if we managed to get both of them. That being said, I don't know how much better one of the remaining rookies would do. We might get more immediate production by signing a veteran free agent. Safety, on the other hand, has been a problem for years and we've never invested anything into it.

 

[MRV52]

Coaching was the biggest problem on both sides of the ball. I disagree on defense being a disaster. We added 2 plugs in the middle , Crawford when healthy is not as bad as most make him out to be. We get Gregory and Smith and I feel that they will make a difference. Smith might be one of the biggest steals of all time. We draft our corners and safety and this defense will be better than last year. Offensively we will be better than last year. New coaching staff will get these players to reach higher potential. The coaching staff we had was a disaster and didn’t use the players correctly. I haven’t been this excited about a season in a very very long time.

 

[btcutter]

I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.

The existing trio maybe or may not be fine this year. But you need to look past this coming season. Both Awuzie and Lewis are FA next year. We have no one left! We could and probably will sign one of them but another may play so well that they price themselves out of our range. We are drafting CB that can contribute this year and start next year.

 

[Adreme]

This is bad info. QBs actually had an 87 qb rating when throwing at him. He wasn't thrown at alot because well you had chido on the other side as well as x woods and jeff heath in coverage. He also never followed the best wr on the other team. His instincts were trash as well

I was using the ESPN one, but the one for NFL passer rating I have it at 90.1 which for context is good for 13th in the NFL (though to be fair the lack of INTs inflates that) per player profile. For average yards per attempt was 5.1 yards per completion good for 2nd in the NFL and yards per completion was 10.2 good for 10th. By the way I am focusing on these numbers because they would not be affected by the fact that the other corners were more tempting to throw at. 33 receptions for 351 yards all year could be explained away by that but the rest of it cannot. He is not giving up yards and not giving up completions. The only thing he did not do was get INTs, but I find INTs either require having solid safeties to allow you to take risks (which the Cowboys did not have) or the QB making mistakes which is not something he can control.

 

[cowboyec]

i still like Awuzie and Lewis.
we've seen them both player better than what we saw last season.
but if Trevon Diggs is on the board...Im takin him.

 

[blueblood70]

larry brown and kevin smith were not great players, they were covered up by better S and a DL with scheme..we have a team full of Larry Browns and kevin smiths and if the DC builds an aggressive scheme with the additions of vn smith and Gregory splitting time at RDE and Tank on the other side added Haha and McCoy and a fatty DT, Lewis, Brown and awuzie.can be adequate..

btw drafts not over nor is FA Griffin is out there and the CB Logan Ryan can really help fill that hole if the draft doesnt bare fruits..options and plenty of time after round 1 way too much sky is falling.. 6 rounds to go and like I stated above..

 

[Mr_437]

I still think we should sign Logan Ryan. He's really good.

We covered WR3 in the draft. We can get a good safety in round 2.

I like a lot of the CBs still remaining in the draft and I'll be excited if we get a good one, but nobody left will have the impact immediately that Ryan would.

Yeah, I have a similar viewpoint of the situation. DAL has veteran CBs, plus looking to add another in Kirkpatrick. Logan Ryan would be a good pickup moreso. If another one of these vets is added their ok. It's getting close to the point where a rookie probably won't crack the lineup especially without the normal off-season to build.

I would draft Edge and/or S.

 

[kumizi]

There is so much wrong here.

One, our corners aren't very good.

Two, if we had a great pass rush or great safeties, maybe they could make up for the mediocre corners. We don't.

Third, if we had a great defensive coordinator/scheme, maybe that could make up for the mediocre corner. We don't.

Even if you're an abashed homer and disagree with all three of those points, 2 out of 3 corners are free agents after this coming season. If Awuzie balls out this year, he's gonna be an unrestricted free agent and demand a big pay day.

There is NO scenario where corner back isn't a huge need.

(BTW I was still happy they took Lamb. Different thread/argument)