The CBs we have are just fine

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I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.

Homer post.

Yeah, I'm sure that's what happened. Which is why Fat Mike brought in a college guy and a former player whose never been more than an assistant secondary coach to take over his secondary.

I'm sure that's a clear definite upgrade over Kris Richard.
 

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I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.

did you ever consider that if Jones flops in Miami, it will be because he doesnt have Richard no longer in his corner and Miami's current coaches may mis-scheme him and under coach him.

Jones has always had it in his physical tools and measurements to be a very good bump press man coverage CB,..and that's what the better coaches do ..and worst coaches don't do
but we had the wrong coaches before Richard arrived, that could not place him in the best position to excel. past coaches determined to keep him as a FS safety who was lost in space and zone coverage and a subpar support tackler.

A player with that kind of awesome physical measurements and athleticism is not an "overachiever" That's why he was selected in the first round. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, I have a similar viewpoint of the situation. DAL has veteran CBs, plus looking to add another in Kirkpatrick. Logan Ryan would be a good pickup moreso. If another one of these vets is added their ok. It's getting close to the point where a rookie probably won't crack the lineup especially without the normal off-season to build.

I would draft Edge and/or S.
Same here. I want Gross-Mantos, Baun or Epenesa in the second round. Or McKinney, but I’m sure he’ll be gone.
 

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I think FA is in their backpocket for corner. You also got Dre Kirkpatrick who at least would be a solid corner for a year if need be.

IIRC Ryan wants more than what he's worth, a la like Clowney.

yeh, Kirkpatrick is an aging, average vet CB who could be decent (at best) band- aid approach.
Cowboys need to think and advance bigger than that. o_O
 

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I was using the ESPN one, but the one for NFL passer rating I have it at 90.1 which for context is good for 13th in the NFL (though to be fair the lack of INTs inflates that) per player profile. For average yards per attempt was 5.1 yards per completion good for 2nd in the NFL and yards per completion was 10.2 good for 10th. By the way I am focusing on these numbers because they would not be affected by the fact that the other corners were more tempting to throw at. 33 receptions for 351 yards all year could be explained away by that but the rest of it cannot. He is not giving up yards and not giving up completions. The only thing he did not do was get INTs, but I find INTs either require having solid safeties to allow you to take risks (which the Cowboys did not have) or the QB making mistakes which is not something he can control.
Just watch and see with Miami. I hated the pick in 2015 and am glad hes gone. Hes an above average player and that is his ceiling. With bad instincts and average technique which leads to being below average in zone. Relies heavily on athleticism that will fade in a few years. Like I said didn't play against the best wrs most of the time. The other secondary players were worse than him. Except for jourdan lewis.
 

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I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.

Trash Anaylsis, CB is the 2nd most important position behind QB.
 

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Just watch and see with Miami. I hated the pick in 2015 and am glad hes gone. Hes an above average player and that is his ceiling. With bad instincts and average technique which leads to being below average in zone. Relies heavily on athleticism that will fade in a few years. Like I said didn't play against the best wrs most of the time. The other secondary players were worse than him. Except for jourdan lewis.

He is undeniably a top 10 corner. That fact is not in dispute. One game does not make someone a bad player. I can find bad tape and bad games from every HoF player, but that does not diminish their greatness. What makes them great is their body of work is great. Now Jones is obviously not HoF good but the standard still applies, the body of work defines the player, not a single or even a single game.

All you admitted, is that you had a bias against him and that makes you unable to look at his stats objectively because the stats for the season all say top 10 at worst.
 

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I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.

i like our CB's...Richarrd not letting Lewis start got me riled up....i am glad we got rid of Richarrd and the old man....
 

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I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.


The majority of the fans on this board loved Richard after his first season with the Cowboys. Many were talking him up is the Cowboys next HC. lol The corners we have aren’t fine unless you like average. We need some playmakers in the secondary. Lewis has shown playmaking ability but we have to see consistency.
 

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I remember how stoked everybody was a few years ago when our top 3 corners were Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Then Garrett screwed up and brought it that Seahawks reject coach Kris Richard in and ruined everything. What did Richard accomplish? Turning Byron Jones into an over-achiever at the expense of the rest of the secondary? Really? Watch Jones flop in Miami.

McCarthy came in and figured out that our secondary situation was mismanaged and poorly coached more than it was about some talent deficiency. Of course, safety is a different matter. Trade up in the second round if we have to and get the McKinney kid.

But like I said, the CBs are just fine.

That was three years ago.
 

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Secondary looks OK to me.

You've got some talent at CB with Diggs, Awuzie, Brown and Lewis. Safety isn't deep but I think Woods and Dix are a decent enough starting duo. Wilson is a good developmental guy.

Certainly not ideal but not terrible like some (and Eagles fans) think.
 

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We should still sign Kirkpatrick. Awuzie, Lewis, Kirkpatrick, Diggs, and Brown is a solid group.
 

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You lost a top 10 CB and have nothing to replace him with and even WITH him the secondary was not great. Let me just reiterate that: they had a guy locking down a section of the field and making the job easier for them and they STILL could not be very good. Now they do not have that. The secondary is a disaster.

And the year before we had the all hype DB team. Way too much recency bias here. Our secondary will be fine.
 

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And the year before we had the all hype DB team. Way too much recency bias here. Our secondary will be fine.

Hype by who? I do not remember anyone saying the Cowboys had two top 10 CBs which is about the only time you hype a CB group.
 

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You don't need 5 CBs. Cannady is fine as a 5th CB.

As someone who watched him play if he sees the field that is very not good. For context, he could not beat out Brandon Carr for playing time.
 

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Damn I want whatever OP is drinking

Take off your blue and silver shades and realize we got a bunch of bums that roam our secondary

well they are definitely not a "bunch of bums" you took his excess positivity and just flipped it over to excess negativity. Truth is somewhere in between
 
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